"No Recent Examples Please" cleanup

Looking at some of the examples makes me wonder if it still is an example since some deal with natural disaster, political strife and the virus and deciding which is "less" important then the other.

Should we call Genre Turning Point? Consensus seems to indicate that it should be added to the index. Or should we wait a little longer?

I'm more concerned about Fallen Creator. When is usually the good time to put an valid entry for it?

I'd be fine with a time limit on Fallen Creator in order to hopefully tone down the creator bashing. I know it's Darth, but that's no excuse to shoehorn in personal attacks.

It's locked though.

Yes it's locked, but for some reason, some of us can't resist the urge to add one the moment controversy befalls one of them by taking it to the locked pages thread.

Might as well go down the list, some of these have been open for months.

Calling Critical Dissonance for one month after the work's release or the end of the season/theatrical run. (15:2)

Calling Written by the Winners to confirm 200 years after the event. (13:3)

Calling Genre Turning Point for 10 years after the work's release. (9:2)

Calling One-Hit Wonder and Two-Hit Wonder for either 5 years after release or the artist's retirement/disbandment. (8:3)

Apparently Powerless Puppetmaster (20 years after leaving office for Real Life politicians) is currently stalled at 6:3 and remains open. I have called attention to it on Ask The Tropers; to prevent a quick closing before people see that, I'm giving it a minimum three days from this post.

Edited by RallyBot2 on Feb 1st 2021 at 1:40:05 PM

So can I add Genre Turning Point to the index and delete examples younger than 10 years now?

I've added it to the index; you can begin cleanup.

Should Dork Age have a time period? Dunno, it's just a thought, I have seen the trope being misused in the past.

There's been talk of taking Dork Age and Seasonal Rot to TRS before. A wick check for both is open at the dedicated wick check thread if you're interested.

Sorry for the double post, but I'm having an issue with this entry from GenreTurningPoint.Music:

• Three female pop singers in the early 2010s have been credited with bringing a more low-key, Darker and Edgier sound into the mainstream.
  • Adele was the first of them, her 2011 album 21 ending the late 2000s domination of club music and spurring a revival of R&B and the neo-soul genre.
  • The second was Lana Del Rey with her 2012 major label debut Born to Die. Her hushed, breathy vocal style was incredibly controversial at the time (her Saturday Night Live performance was widely derided as one of the show's worst), but would very quickly be Vindicated by History as one of the defining traits of female pop singers in the 2010s. Her lyrics, with subject matter ranging from death to abusive relationships to satire and criticism of The American Dream, were also a seminal influence, as was her persona that evoked a bygone, faded Hollywood glamour. Richard S. He, writing for Billboard, described her influence thusly:
    "[Born to Die] became one of the main catalysts for pop's mid-2010s shift from brash EDM to a moodier, hip-hop-inflected palette. She's influenced not just her peers, but the next generation of alternative-leaning pop stars: Lorde, Halsey, Billie Eilish, Banks, Sky Ferreira, Father John Misty, Sia, Miley Cyrus, Selena Gomez, even Taylor Swift."
  • If Lana set the groundwork for this style, then Lorde brought it into the mainstream with her 2013 debut Pure Heroine, particularly the lead-off single "Royals". While she wasn't the biggest hitmaker, her hushed vocals, use of minor key, and goth-inflected lyrics and image (which included direct criticism of the made-for-the-nightclub dance-pop trends of the time) proved massively influential on pop music in the 2010s, most notably with the female alt-pop singers like Halsey, Alessia Cara, Charli XCX, and Billie Eilish who followed in her wake. Even the ascent of Trap Music into the mainstream can arguably be pinned on Lorde opening the door for darker subject matter. Todd in the Shadows, while reviewing Halsey's song "Without Me", joked that, as a fan of the larger-than-life Idol Singers who Lorde displaced, he should probably hate her legacy as much as fans of Hair Metal hate that of Kurt Cobain.

The first one came out in 2011, and is therefore around 10 years old. The other two, however, are too recent to be added, and yet they are all grouped together. Should I cut them all, or cut just the latter two and opening paragraph?

21 was released in January '11; it's eligible. (I can't speak for whether it's actually an example.)

The other two should be cut. (They shouldn't have been under the same top-level bullet to begin with.)

Thanks. The latter two are gone.

I guess Creator Killer needs a waiting period just like Franchise Killer and Genre-Killer. Maybe limiting examples to after the work's creator ceases to exist?

Edited by AmourMitts on Feb 3rd 2021 at 9:07:41 AM

I think 10 years is good, like Genre-Killer which got added recently due to TRS.

For Creator Killer it could be

• If the creator (if it is a company/group) ceases operations or otherwise shuts down, there should be no waiting period.
• If the creator is not shutting down, we have a 10-year waiting period.

Edited by Albert3105 on Feb 4th 2021 at 12:03:45 PM

10 years? I note that the waiting period for Franchise Killer is only 5, barring official confirmation.

You have a point that the period could be shorter, but there's a big jump between a creator refusing or being unable to work on a specific intellectual property, and failing to ever release or maintain a single work again.

Edited by Albert3105 on Feb 7th 2021 at 4:13:06 AM

We need to add a No Recent Examples, Please! notice to both Franchise Killer and Genre-Killer's main pages.

There's been a suggestion in ATT that They Changed It, Now It Sucks! and It's the Same, Now It Sucks! should have a waiting period, since people are using it to bash works that have just been announced when there's hardly any information yet. The person who brought that up suggested a six-month moratorium, so would that be fine?

I'd have the moratorium be until when the work releases, since we cannot know the extent of what really changed or stayed similar until people can see the full work. Case in point, Final Fantasy VII Remake (that it's actually an Alternate Continuity).

Edited by Albert3105 on Feb 27th 2021 at 12:02:38 PM

And given that the ATT thread was about Pokémon given yesterday's announcement, it's worth noting that series has also pulled the "stealth alternate continuity" trick itself! (However, whether it's technically the same continuity doesn't matter in Pokémon's case.)

Okay, maybe six months is too long. Any period that is "after release" should be fine.

&I'd say the "So It Sucks" and Author's Saving Throw should have a 1 week waiting period since the work releases. It's the smallest we have and the wait until the work is out policy is not preventing that misuse.