"No Recent Examples Please" cleanup

A month sounds reasonable to me.

Yes, I was thinking a month, or maybe until the work finishes its theatrical run (or for television shows, their first season), whichever is later. Yes, my thinking was "end of theatrical run or a month" due to the restrictions of direct-to-DVD/streaming films.

Edited by mightymewtron on Sep 14th 2020 at 12:36:13 PM

End of first season makes sense for TV shows I think.

"End of theatrical run" is kind of a hinky concept right now given current events, so in the case of films I think sticking to just "a month" is probably better.

I brought this up in this ATT query: Author's Saving Throw should be for released works only, to make sure that the marketing promises are actually kept in the finished product. I don't think a post-release waiting period is needed, but pre-release examples shouldn't be allowed.

I'd give it two weeks post-release to give folks time to experience the work, same as CM and MB. Other than that, I agree.

Honestly I'd be in favor of a blanket two-week waiting period on Audience Reactions that aren't explicitly about pre-release marketing (e.g. Tainted by the Preview).

Edited by HighCrate on Sep 17th 2020 at 1:16:19 AM

Right question, I put a "So Okay It's Average" on Paper Mario Origami King. I actually waited a month past the game's release for things to cool down past initial impressions and look thoroughly through review scores, and explain in pretty much detail why people thought as much. But they still claim it was too early despite all this, figuring it "just complaing" as one troper put it. I seriously doubt this is one that needs a six month wait. I mean two at best but this isn't as divisive as Broken Base.

I mean here the inital post, if you want me to trim the fat a little I can. But this is far from complaining, I'm just putting what some of the reviews has stated.

"So Okay, It's Average: General consensus is that it's a step up from the previous outing, looks absolutely gorgeous, has an engaging story, good set pieces to explore and some crazy bosses to boot. But bogged down by it combat system that, while creative, rarely changes up how to attack common enemies which gets monotonous quickly, lacking challenge, and still soured by the lack of a proper partner system ^note  You get them in this game but only in certain story-related areas and they occasionally attack automatically, mostly to add put in extra damage to enemies you miss.. As well as proper rewards from combat to really justify having to fight the turn based battles at all since near everything you need is found by exploring. Some reviewers questioned why have the turn-based combat at all and just make it into an open Action RPG by this point since the combat actually slows down the pacing in this one, feels pointless in the long run and feels like the direction Nintendo wants to go in this series. The majority of reviews have, essentially, given it average to above-average scores at best. Stating it's a fun game but hampered by not going all-in with their mechanics, and could've been much better."

Edited by CASCHero on Sep 20th 2020 at 1:20:54 AM

I just noticed that there seems to be no date for Genre-Killer. If there was a possible date, how long does it have to be?

I had brought that up myself here. I would be interested to know.

Well, Franchise Killer has a waiting period of five years, so maybe that long for Genre-Killer? Honestly, I haven't seen that many issues with people adding knee-jerk entries, so it probably doesn't need one per se.

Edited by chasemaddigan on Sep 27th 2020 at 1:04:13 PM

Any more comments on Author's Saving Throw? I think that just waiting until release is enough, but if others think that a brief waiting period is needed, I can live with that.

I give about a week or 2. Mostly 2.

I found this example under Young Sheldon.

• In the episode "Teenager Soup and a Little Ball of Fib", Sheldon Cooper catches a cold and inadvertently infects the entire school. This episode was first aired a few months before the COVID-19 Pandemic caused schools and other institutions to close down.

Are we still not allowing examples involving COVID-19?

I’m not sure, but that’s a bad example either way.

Then it's deleted.

Thinking about a 3-day wait on Memes.US Politics, to forestall the "a politician said a thing and people laughed about it on Twitter for a few hours" entries.

That sounds good.

Agreed.

Here's not the place to record fifteen minutes of fame.

Edited by Nen_desharu on Oct 2nd 2020 at 9:41:43 AM

Honestly, given the quality of most examples on the page (and the incendiary nature of the topic) it's a lost cause. It might be better served with a longer limit.

Or just PRLC it entirely. You're right, It Is Beyond Saving.

Should Genre Turning Point have a time limit applied? There are examples as recent as 2017 on there, and I think we should wait at least 5-10 years before we decide when a genre has changed forever.

I doubt there are many flames to be had about memeing any politician not active for 5-10 years or so, so that's probably the upper bound for this. Cutting/PRLC would only be the method of last resort.

The pre-GWB stuff (all from before TV Tropes existed, of course, meaning that it was all added after a decent period of time) is civil; we don't need to lose it. GWB has some forced shit, but it's not terrible. Obama and Trump's folders are just random quotes and/or political mudslinging, and the election folders are the same but on crack. (There are some legitimate memes, but it's not worth keeping the cesspool of shit.)

I say a 5-year waiting period from the original meme-able event for Memes.US Politics, a little bit longer than one presidential term. Obama and Trump get a lot more fodder because their terms coincided with the rise of social media, and when more time passes for the latter we'll be able to pick up which memes really have lasting impact. (A lot of them are memorialized in the media through news and parodies, after all.)

Speaking of politics, there's some concern about TemptingFate.Real Life possibly covering incendiary topics. I figured we should discuss it here first before taking it straight to NRLEP.

Edited by mightymewtron on Oct 4th 2020 at 7:29:36 AM

I support the moratorium on American political memes made within the past half-decade.

This would provide enough time to see if it is indeed a meme and not something that is popular for fifteen minutes at most.

Edited by Nen_desharu on Oct 4th 2020 at 8:11:50 AM

TemptingFate.Real Life has enough harmless examples that I'd rather have an NREP rule than outright making it NRLEP. Recent political examples seem to be the most problematic, so maybe five years for political examples and "the event the person 'asked for' must be over" otherwise?

A five-year waiting period for political memes sounds fine.

And now what I came to this thread for: to propose a waiting period for One-Hit Wonder and Two-Hit Wonder. I haven't seen a lot of overly-recent examples, but I do think it's premature to call someone a One/Two-Hit Wonder when they've barely had time to release anything else. How about the following?

• One-Hit Wonder: Artist's retirement or five years after the hit, whichever comes first.
• Two-Hit Wonder: Artist's retirement or five years after the second hit, whichever comes first.

If the artist doesn't get another hit within five years, they probably won't get one ever. Similarly, it's highly unlikely that an old song by a retired artist will randomly become a hit.

That waiting period sounds like a good idea, but it is possible for some artists to have a comeback hit years after their single hit. I think Mike Posner did that with "Cooler Than Me" and "I Took A Pill And Ibiza." So then the One-Hit Wonder could change to Two-Hit Wonder, or a Two-Hit Wonder be changed, with the waiting period not being perfectly relevant there.

Edited by mightymewtron on Oct 11th 2020 at 1:08:12 PM