This is a thread for checking up on pages for works that have not been released yet, to make sure that they are not straying into rampant speculation or posting crazy behind the scenes spoilers. You can bring both individual examples or entire pages to attention here.
In extreme cases, any page can be locked, but hopefully that won't be necessary.
(As these pages often are hit with zero-context examples and shoehorning as well, all four - speculation, spoilers, ZCEs, and shoehorning may get addressed simultaneously.)
The policy governing this effort is Creating A Work Page For An Unreleased Work. Cleanup is being tracked using the Unreleased Works sandbox.
All pages for unreleased works should include a %% comment at the top of the page, confirming the policy and linking to this thread and the Administrivia page. It doesn't have to be exactly the same as the example provided here, but this provides a template to work with.
%% Speculative troping is not allowed on TV Tropes.
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%% We trope what DOES happen in works, not what MIGHT happen or is LIKELY to happen.
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%% For unreleased works where all we have to go on is advertising and other supplemental materials, we have some detailed guidelines, which can be found at Administrivia/CreatingAWorkPageForAnUnreleasedWork.
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%% NOTE - these rules also mean that unreleased works should only have one page image, and that image should NOT be changed again until the work is released.
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%% If you have questions, please consult the Unreleased Work Speculation Cleanup thread at https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=15514631230A64268600
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%% Thank you.
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Edited by Mrph1 on Feb 10th 2024 at 8:16:52 PM
Yes.
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NaNo 4328 / 50,000
Examples must stand on their own. It doesn't get context based on where you find it.
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They weren't Zero-Context Examples, they just didn't cite which trailer they appeared in.
Edited by wingedcatgirl on Oct 26th 2020 at 1:51:41 AM
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NaNo 4328 / 50,000
Marketing is part of the context. That's why we require citations.
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This was recently added to YMMV.Raya And The Last Dragon:
- Friendly Fandoms: The Avatar: The Last Airbender fans were all over the film's similar visual style (though rather amusingly, they can't seem to decide whether Raya has more of a resemblance to Katara or Korra).
Only a teaser has been released for the film, and I could have sworn Friendly Fandoms needs to go both both ways between two fandoms - which would require this film to have a fandom which it can't because it hasn't been released yet.
I've just made Freaky (2020), can y'all look it over?
NaNo 4328 / 50,000
The first line could use a few more links (such as to the director's creator page and to slasher parody), I don't understand why it wasn't made at Film.Freaky, and is missing an announced release date, but otherwise it looks good.
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It wasn't made at Film.Freaky to avoid potential subpage collision with Series.Freaky, in case anybody wanted to make a YMMV/Trivia page for the latter.
NaNo 4328 / 50,000
That's what Soft splitting is for, not that either have any such tropes right now.
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Bonnie's Artistic Cousin
Let's not start the debate again. Some people think it's best to have separate subpages, some people don't care, there's no policy either way, and it's not worth worrying about regardless. It's already split so it's too late now.
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NaNo 4328 / 50,000
No, Creating New Pages is clear that we "require usage of the official name of the work". If they want to disambiguate, then the other rule comes into play, "we treat every work involved equally, moving each to a disambiguated version of the page."
Wiki policy doesn't allow for mixing like this. We need either Series.Freaky and Film.Freaky or we have Series.Freaky Retronym and Film.Freaky Retronym, not one from each. If they're getting moved to retronym pages, then we need a disambiguation page made. Adding retronyms to random works is against policy.
This isn't the thread for this discussion.
Someone deleted all the entries on the Little Nightmares 2 main page. I think that was a dick move. None of these tropes were speculation, they were all based on actual released game footage. Whoever did this could have at least only made them invisible, if they thought they were added prematurely. Then the ones who worked on this page could've just cleaned up once the full game came out.
Seriously, have some respect.
NaNo 4328 / 50,000
Little Nightmares II — the examples all say "no citation".
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Back to Freaky: ~Gregzilla deleted all the trailer citations
. The film isn't out for a couple of days.
Industrious Incisors
I hate to do this for a work that's only a few days away from release, but all the comment markup was removed from the uncited tropes for Kingdom Hearts: Melody of Memory. I'm also not sure what notifier to send; it's not speculation, because the full game was leaked. And before this, the history shows tropers adding tropes pre-commented.
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I think by this point, it's a "troping leaks" violation rather than a "troping unreleased works" one.
Industrious Incisors
But this is still the right thread, right?
For that matter, we could definitely use a "leaks" notifier, and a "precomment" notifier.
SoundCloud
Unfortunately I think the site hit the "notifier" limit a couple months ago, so more can't be added.
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Given this pattern of prematurely unhiding entries, adding pre-hidden entries, deleting citation to pre-release materials, troping leaks etc., I would argue that it behooves us to be more aggressive about cutting rather than hiding obvious speculation, cutlisting pages that have fewer than three valid non-hidden entries, and locking pages where tropers make nuisances of themselves until release.
For the record, a partial list of pages with fewer than three valid, non-hidden trope entries that are cutworthy unless fixed:
- The Croods: A New Age
- Fast And Furious 9
- Black Narcissus
- Saved by the Bell (2020)
- The Stand (2020)
- Selena: The Series
- Call of Duty: Black Ops Cold War
- Immortals Fenyx Rising
- Disgaea 6: Defiance of Destiny
- Little Nightmares II
- Backbone
- Disgaea 6: Defiance of Destiny
- Feral
- Fuga
- Get in the Car, Loser!
- Godfall
- Goodbye Volcano High
- Returnal
Cleaning such pages by hiding uncited or otherwise speculative examples very seldom results in anyone actually fixing the page. More often, it sits there blank for weeks until someone comes along and unilaterally reverts cleanup pre-release, or someone systematically unhides everything as soon as they're technically allowed to without apparent thought to checking the entry text against the final work to see if it contains accurate and complete context.
At best, someone comes along and awkwardly adds a phrase like "the trailer shows that..." before every entry, even when the rest of the text of that entry does not actually describe what happens in the pre-release material, but rather is obvious speculation about the final product.
Edited by HighCrate on Nov 11th 2020 at 6:23:55 AM
Industrious Incisors
Well, by now Kingdom Hearts MOM is out in Japan anyway, so I guess there's no reason to continue my case.
SoundCloud
I wasn't aware of how it works for trailers. Sorry.
I thought putting tropes and saying it’s from a trailer is not allowed. I don’t think I actually removed the tropes, though.
Either way, sorry.
Edited by Gregzilla on Nov 11th 2020 at 10:35:33 AM
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I'm not sure if any of the examples at MythologyGag.Zack Snyders Justice League qualifies or is it just about amusing coincidences. Anyway, it only has 4 examples, Not enough for a page IMO.
- The trailer's use of "Hallelujah" has a few moments.
- But you don't really care for music, do ya?, which plays over a shot of the Earth ravaged by Apokolips. Darkseid always hated music.
- And even though it all went wrong, I'll stand before the Lord of Song. Lois looks up in the sky and sees Clark has been resurrected. Superman vanquished Darkseid by singing.
- Zack Snyder already used the song in Watchmen, for the sex scene of Nite Owl and Silk Spectre II.
- The glimpse at the Bad Future shows the Joker's calling card◊ float past on the wind.
Edited by Silverblade2 on Nov 17th 2020 at 7:49:01 PM
Do individual examples require a specific citation? ~alphatater just commented out nearly everything on Evil Genius 2 for lacking citations.
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