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This is a thread for checking up on pages for works that have not been released yet, to make sure that they are not straying into rampant speculation or posting crazy behind the scenes spoilers. You can bring both individual examples or entire pages to attention here.

In extreme cases, any page can be locked, but hopefully that won't be necessary.

(As these pages often are hit with zero-context examples and shoehorning as well, all four - speculation, spoilers, ZCEs, and shoehorning may get addressed simultaneously.)

The policy governing this effort is Creating A Work Page For An Unreleased Work. Cleanup is being tracked using the Unreleased Works sandbox.

All pages for unreleased works should include a %% comment at the top of the page, confirming the policy and linking to this thread and the Administrivia page. It doesn't have to be exactly the same as the example provided here, but this provides a template to work with.

     Template for the unreleased work comment 
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%% Speculative troping is not allowed on TV Tropes.
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%% We trope what DOES happen in works, not what MIGHT happen or is LIKELY to happen.
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%% For unreleased works where all we have to go on is advertising and other supplemental materials, we have some detailed guidelines, which can be found at Administrivia/CreatingAWorkPageForAnUnreleasedWork.
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%% NOTE - these rules also mean that unreleased works should only have one page image, and that image should NOT be changed again until the work is released.
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%% If you have questions, please consult the Unreleased Work Speculation Cleanup thread at https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=15514631230A64268600
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%% Thank you.
%%

Edited by Mrph1 on Feb 10th 2024 at 8:16:52 PM

DragonRanger (Troper Knight)
#2626: Apr 28th 2022 at 9:01:15 PM

(Copied from ATT, as I had inexplicably forgotten about this thread:)

Can we get some extra eyes on pages related to Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness? It seems to be attracting a lot of speculation on what's in the film, particularly around the fact that a team was confirmed to appear (The Illuminati), but its membership is still up in the air.

Most of it is coming from CuttingEdgeG; I undid some of their edits a few days ago for being speculation, but now they're re-adding them again linking a YouTube video as proof in the edit reasons — but one that's been taken offline, so I have no idea how accurate the claims are.

Even if G's in the clear for at least trying to cite a source, the film is still a week away and, given the amount of activity around its pages, I think we may need to take some precautions until it actually releases.

BigBadShadow22 Since: Oct, 2021 Relationship Status: Gonna take a lot to drag me away from you
#2627: May 1st 2022 at 7:39:08 AM

So I have a question about a page I created for Series.The Pentaverate, a Mike Myers show coming out on Netflix in the coming week based off a joke from an early Myers film called Film.So I Married An Axe Murderer where the main character’s father shares a crackpot theory about the organization. At one point on the show’s page, I had entires for Ascended Extra (because it was a throwaway joke in the film) and Real After All (because it was a conspiracy theory). But I removed them because it occurred to me that this might not be set in the same universe as the film. Was this a good call?

Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#2628: May 1st 2022 at 12:55:07 PM

I'm inclined to say both of those are Speculative Troping but in the future please post the questionable entries here. Don't make us dig in the history.

BigBadShadow22 Since: Oct, 2021 Relationship Status: Gonna take a lot to drag me away from you
Silverblade2 Since: Jan, 2013
nombretomado (Season 1) Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
gjjones Musician/Composer from South Wales, New York Since: Jul, 2016
Musician/Composer
#2632: May 2nd 2022 at 8:15:43 PM

Given that the teaser trailer for Sailor Moon Cosmos just came out and we've got a release timeframe for it (in this case, it's the summer of 2023), do you think we should consider doing a trope page for it or should we wait until we have more information?

Edited by gjjones on May 2nd 2022 at 11:18:37 AM

He/His/Him. No matter who you are, always Be Yourself.
bwburke94 I am mad scientist! It's so cool! from 1.048596% (Y2: Electric Boogaloo) Relationship Status: She does the things you do, but she is an IBM
I am mad scientist! It's so cool!
#2633: May 3rd 2022 at 1:35:50 PM

RallyBot2 seems to be stealing tactics from our "favorite" ban evader. Judging from his edit history, he apparently commented out all the tropes on Sonic Origins and immediately cutlisted the page for being a stub, without giving people time to add trailer context back to the examples.

2025: the year it all ends?
themayorofsimpleton Short-Term Projects Herald | he/him from the Island of Koridai (Captain) Relationship Status: I won't say I'm in love
Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#2635: May 14th 2022 at 4:33:34 PM

Characters.The Camp Half Blood Series Main Characters edit history:

This was an entry:

  • Race Lift: White in the books and films, Black in the series.
I removed it with this edit reason and cited this cleanup:
Preemptive — we can't trope a casting announcement until we see a promo material showing them (eg. poster, trailer). We also can't trope the show at all because it doesn't yet have a release date or any prmotional materials. A lot of things might still change (eg. what if the show gets cancelled or get recast).

A similar statement was then re-added by ~lbssb , edited since, and now stands at:

  • Race Lift: A white blonde in the books, played by a black actress in the TV series. This was because Rick Riodan chose the actors to play his characters on the basis of talent rather than looks. Unfortunately, this change was met with controversy from fans who expected Annabeth to portrayed by a white actress.

The pitfall of troping fan reaction on an objective page aside, was my original reason in error and can we actually trope a casting announcement without any other promo material showing the character? Like at this point all we have is the title.

lbssb The sleepiest good boi Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
The sleepiest good boi
#2636: May 14th 2022 at 4:38:40 PM

I didn't realize I was technically readding something that was removed. But since the casting is official, we can probably mention that part (it's not like the show is going to show us a black Annabeth and claim she's still white), just not the controversy part, that definitely belongs in YMMV (it definitely wasn't part of what I put down, my contribution was only the first line).

Edited by lbssb on May 14th 2022 at 4:39:21 AM

Disney100 Marathon | DreamWorks Marathon
Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#2637: May 15th 2022 at 2:58:46 PM

We can list it but I still don't think we should trope it until promo materials drop. Like I just pulled this from Archie's entry on Characters.Riverdale Archie Andrews (he is played as a white redhead, the actor is half-Samoan and white-passing):

  • Race Lift: Averted, despite K.J. Apa (who plays him) being of Polynesian descent.

That's obviously not going to be the case here, but I think the precedent of not troping Race Lift just based on the announced actors' ethnicities (visible or not) should be set anyway.

Edited by Synchronicity on May 15th 2022 at 5:00:31 AM

Amonimus the "Retromancer" from <<|Wiki Talk|>> (Sergeant) Relationship Status: In another castle
the "Retromancer"
#2638: Jun 1st 2022 at 6:07:21 AM

Sonic Frontiers has these examples:

  • Wide-Open Sandbox: A first for the franchise. Whereas most Sonic games have featured a stage select screen, world map, and/or hub world, the reveal trailer for Frontiers shows off a fully explorable open world, ala Breath of the Wild.
  • Follow the Leader: If the reveal trailer is any indication, the game is taking a lot of notes from many modern open world games, particularly The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild.

As the page also mentions, these comparisons Discredited Meme, there isn't much known about the game and Zelda did not invent wide grass fields. Ok to trim?

TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup
RallyBot2 (Elder Troper) Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
#2639: Jun 1st 2022 at 8:11:34 AM

[up]I'd cut both, at least for now.

BlueGuy (Ten years in the joint)
#2640: Jun 3rd 2022 at 9:28:01 PM

Street Fighter 6 currently has some gameplay footage available, but no specific release window (just a release year — 2023). Does this qualify it for a page?

If it isn't cut, it still needs a cleanup. None of the examples on the page cite any pre-release material.

Pinball cleanup thread
N1KF Alleged Number1KirbyFan (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
Alleged Number1KirbyFan
#2641: Jun 4th 2022 at 1:36:29 AM

Does the "acceptable for troping" policy in Creating a Work Page for an Upcoming Work apply to new pages? If so, certain kinds of work pages needing "only pre-release material" would be contradicted by Future Works:

Works that have significant publicly-released material but no announced release date [...] No new pages listed in this category should be created at this time, unless it is a case of previously having an exact release date that was lost to a delay. [...]

This states that a release date is needed for a new page, even with "significant pre-release material".

bwburke94 I am mad scientist! It's so cool! from 1.048596% (Y2: Electric Boogaloo) Relationship Status: She does the things you do, but she is an IBM
I am mad scientist! It's so cool!
#2642: Jun 4th 2022 at 6:02:30 AM

[up] There's a difference between a release date and a release window. It used to be that we required an exact date, but we loosened the policy after a while.

2025: the year it all ends?
rmctagg09 The Wanderer from Brooklyn, NY (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: I won't say I'm in love
The Wanderer
#2643: Jun 8th 2022 at 10:48:51 PM

The Three Hopes demo came out not too long ago.

Hugging a Vanillite will give you frostbite.
BigBadShadow25 With my last breath, I curse Zoidberg. from Basement at the Alamo (Experienced, Not Yet Jaded) Relationship Status: Desperate
With my last breath, I curse Zoidberg.
#2644: Jun 12th 2022 at 7:07:47 AM

So someone needs to look over Film.Prey 2022. Lot of stuff from interviews and not from the trailer.

You’re Gonna Carry That Weight.
BigBadShadow25 With my last breath, I curse Zoidberg. from Basement at the Alamo (Experienced, Not Yet Jaded) Relationship Status: Desperate
With my last breath, I curse Zoidberg.
#2645: Jun 14th 2022 at 5:50:10 AM

There’s also this on VideoGame.Kingdom Hearts IV. Please advise:

  • Tokyo Is the Center of the Universe: Quadratum is central to the Master of Master's grand plan due to its nature as a "fictional" universe which is insolated from the eternal struggle between light and darkness taking place in "reality". It's based on Shibuya.

You’re Gonna Carry That Weight.
ShinyCottonCandy Everyone's friend Malamar from Lumiose City (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Everyone's friend Malamar
#2646: Jun 14th 2022 at 5:51:54 AM

[up]The entry lacks needed citation anyway, but I don't know that that was even in any promotional material anyway.

My musician page
BigBadShadow25 With my last breath, I curse Zoidberg. from Basement at the Alamo (Experienced, Not Yet Jaded) Relationship Status: Desperate
With my last breath, I curse Zoidberg.
#2647: Jun 14th 2022 at 5:54:39 AM

[up] Thanks. I’m blanking it for now in case the guy wants to clarify. If he can’t I’ll cut it entirely.

You’re Gonna Carry That Weight.
Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#2648: Jun 14th 2022 at 2:17:01 PM

Glass Onion is, well, a stub, but I'm not sure it can have a page yet? The only promo materials we have are the video showing the title and like one second of the characters on a boat.

Edited by Synchronicity on Jun 14th 2022 at 4:17:45 AM

Berrenta Bejeweled (she/her) (Ten years in the joint) Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Bejeweled (she/her)
#2649: Jun 16th 2022 at 11:42:49 AM

Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Shredder's Revenge was removed from the list as it's released today. I am using a Twitch stream to help with example accuracy (for example, Mic Drop was revealed to be a celebration animation, not a taunt).

Edited by Berrenta on Jun 16th 2022 at 1:43:19 PM

BigBadShadow25 With my last breath, I curse Zoidberg. from Basement at the Alamo (Experienced, Not Yet Jaded) Relationship Status: Desperate
With my last breath, I curse Zoidberg.
#2650: Jun 24th 2022 at 6:17:29 AM

So I just created a page for WesternAnimation.Luck. Did not realize there was a tv show with a trivia page and ymmv page. Should I copy it to a new page (Luck 2022) and create a redirect/cut the current?

Edited by BigBadShadow25 on Jun 24th 2022 at 9:17:43 AM

You’re Gonna Carry That Weight.

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