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OK, here's where this thread is standing, with the unlocking:

Given the widespread backlash and complaining about certain aspects of the work (i.e. Dexit), we wanted to communicate very clearly what we are not willing to put up with: prolonged, circular complaining (or wonking).

Of course, with a controversial subject that has a large impact on the gameplay, Dexit is in one of those areas where there it may be on-topic to discuss it, but the nature of that discussion can wildly vary. As has been said elsewhere, we ix-nayed discussion of Dexit entirely because it never seemed to happen without devolving into that kind of complaining.

However, we're willing to unlock the thread after this 3-day cooldown period because the Pokemon General thread has been stable enough. And -

Can I discuss Dexit?

Yes. But if there is prolonged wonking on it, the thread just becomes an echo chamber of complaints and we do not like that. No one likes that. The same rules as ever apply. Be a constructive, healthy space. Have conversations about what you like, and what you don't like, but the thread should not get locked into a series of bitter complaints.

If you have questions or concerns about mod implementation or action, we have a thread for that here.

Alright? Thank you all for waiting this out. I hope we're all good now.

Edited by nombretomado on Nov 18th 2019 at 5:49:02 AM

BadWolf21 The Fastest Man Alive Since: May, 2010
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#1051: Mar 15th 2019 at 5:21:15 AM

Also since when are the starters in theme with each other?

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#1052: Mar 15th 2019 at 5:25:09 AM

it's been kind of a theme for the last 2 gens hasn't it? barely.

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#1053: Mar 15th 2019 at 5:27:08 AM

The only instance I can think of where all three starters had a clear theme that all of them shared was Kalos, with Chesnaught, Delphox, and Greninja being a clear Fighter, Mage, Thief trio.

That's kind of an outlier, though. I can't think of any other Generation that themed all the starters like that.

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#1054: Mar 15th 2019 at 5:28:13 AM

Yeah, it's an option they can take but it's not part of the 'formula'

Numbuh1234 Since: Apr, 2014
#1055: Mar 15th 2019 at 5:28:53 AM

Gen 7 made everyone performers

Archer, wrestler, and opera singer

And apparently Gen 5's starters are based on Japanese Lords? I don't know enough about Japanese Lords to say anything about that, though.

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#1056: Mar 15th 2019 at 5:30:05 AM

I don't think "archer" counts as a "performer". Archers are more like martial artists or assassins. Especially Decidueye in particular, who is a shy, silent killer.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Mar 15th 2019 at 5:31:47 AM

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#1057: Mar 15th 2019 at 5:33:01 AM

Gen 7 started with a clear circus theme but then ended up morphing into a general performer thing for some reason? There's some kind of weird stuff going on with Alolan starters

But, uh, there's a clear shift in how the starters are conceptualized starting with gen 6, and now they're much more themed and seem to come in sets and I hate it

I don't think "archer" counts as a "performer"

Trickshot artist. Though that gets downplayed by the end

Edited by Hylarn on Mar 15th 2019 at 5:34:28 AM

BadWolf21 The Fastest Man Alive Since: May, 2010
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#1058: Mar 15th 2019 at 5:36:52 AM

Um...how are Rowlett and Litten circus-themed, let alone β€œclearly” circus-themed?

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Zeromaeus Mighty No. 51345 from Neo Arcadia Since: May, 2010
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#1060: Mar 15th 2019 at 8:54:08 AM

Plespian would work, too.

Knife throwers are an archetypical circus act as are lion tamers. Inceneroar coulda still be a play on the strong man, but Rowlet loses the circus idea at Decidueye. Alternatively, they end up as a ranger, barbarian (brawler? monk?) and bard.

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#1061: Mar 15th 2019 at 9:00:14 AM

I just feel bad for whichever starter eventually ends up being modeled after the Truenamer. tongue

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#1062: Mar 15th 2019 at 10:31:35 AM

Gen 5's starters had a theme of each being associated with a different culture. Serperior is a European noble, Emboar is a Chinese general, and Samurott is a Japanese samurai.

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#1063: Mar 15th 2019 at 10:33:57 AM

Yeah, the RPG class theming from Gen VI seems to make more sense for Gen VII's starters: archer, monk and bard, as said above. But I also see the point of performers.

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BadWolf21 The Fastest Man Alive Since: May, 2010
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#1064: Mar 15th 2019 at 10:35:20 AM

I’m sorry, how does β€œPro Wrestler” become β€œMonk” in your eyes?

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#1065: Mar 15th 2019 at 10:41:18 AM

well there was that priest who took up wrestling to save an orphanage..

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#1066: Mar 15th 2019 at 10:44:57 AM

Incineroar is a rudo/heel, though.

Edited by BadWolf21 on Mar 15th 2019 at 12:45:06 PM

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#1067: Mar 15th 2019 at 10:45:47 AM

Who says he can't more then one reference?

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#1068: Mar 15th 2019 at 11:00:06 AM

The more you muddy the waters, the less likely it is you’re talking about a theme.

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#1069: Mar 15th 2019 at 11:15:59 AM

I think they just said monk because that's what the JRPG class equivalent for a wrestler would be.

BadWolf21 The Fastest Man Alive Since: May, 2010
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#1070: Mar 15th 2019 at 11:17:03 AM

It’s...still not the same thing though. It’s a reach.

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#1071: Mar 15th 2019 at 11:23:34 AM

A wrestler and a monk are obviously not the same thing. I'm just saying, if you were to try to fit the Gen 7 starters into RPG classes to continue the Gen 6 starers' theme, then the fist-fighting class is usually called the Monk.

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#1072: Mar 15th 2019 at 11:25:17 AM

Funny thing is a monk and priest are treated as different classes when they're technically the name of the same thing

Edited by Ultimatum on Mar 15th 2019 at 6:25:43 PM

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#1073: Mar 15th 2019 at 11:29:47 AM

Are they the same thing? I could of sworn monks and priests were not quite the same thing.

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#1074: Mar 15th 2019 at 11:30:37 AM

Monks are the class that get the hand-to-hand abilities and have the easiest time with grappling.

On monks and priests, its the difference between a western priest and an eastern monk, and the stereotypes both carry. Monks were never meant to be western friars. Its like saying the Catholic pope and the Avatar are the same thing.

Edited by Zeromaeus on Mar 15th 2019 at 2:32:05 PM

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#1075: Mar 15th 2019 at 11:32:50 AM

From what I've noticed Monks and Priests are used interchangeably

Edited by Ultimatum on Mar 15th 2019 at 6:33:09 PM

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