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OK, here's where this thread is standing, with the unlocking:

Given the widespread backlash and complaining about certain aspects of the work (i.e. Dexit), we wanted to communicate very clearly what we are not willing to put up with: prolonged, circular complaining (or wonking).

Of course, with a controversial subject that has a large impact on the gameplay, Dexit is in one of those areas where there it may be on-topic to discuss it, but the nature of that discussion can wildly vary. As has been said elsewhere, we ix-nayed discussion of Dexit entirely because it never seemed to happen without devolving into that kind of complaining.

However, we're willing to unlock the thread after this 3-day cooldown period because the Pokemon General thread has been stable enough. And -

Can I discuss Dexit?

Yes. But if there is prolonged wonking on it, the thread just becomes an echo chamber of complaints and we do not like that. No one likes that. The same rules as ever apply. Be a constructive, healthy space. Have conversations about what you like, and what you don't like, but the thread should not get locked into a series of bitter complaints.

If you have questions or concerns about mod implementation or action, we have a thread for that here.

Alright? Thank you all for waiting this out. I hope we're all good now.

Edited by nombretomado on Nov 18th 2019 at 5:49:02 AM

Ookamikun This is going to be so much fun. from the lupine den Since: Jan, 2001
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#5376: Sep 20th 2019 at 10:17:18 AM

[up][up][up]What are the chances of Alcremie's pre evo being the same across all "formes", but to evolve it you need to give it an item or something so that it gains "flavor" and that look?.

Edited by Ookamikun on Sep 21st 2019 at 1:17:33 AM

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Chariot King of Anime Since: Jul, 2014
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#5377: Sep 20th 2019 at 11:19:22 AM

Just because they are evolved forms of other Pokemon does not mean they can evolve further. "Second stage" just means the Pokemon is the second stage of evolution, it does not necessarily mean there exists a third stage.
That's exactly what it means though? The way I understand it is that the base form is the base form, the evolution is called the first stage, and the final form is the second stage. At least, that's how it was treated in the card game back when I was still into that so I assume that it works that way in the games as well.

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#5378: Sep 20th 2019 at 11:23:10 AM

Anyone found a third Koffing stage?

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#5379: Sep 20th 2019 at 11:28:24 AM

[up][up]The terms "first stage" and "second stage" aren't a thing in the video games. The codenames had an arabic numeral 1, 2, or 3 next to them, they weren't named as "stages". I imagine that's where the terminology confusion is coming from.

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#5380: Sep 20th 2019 at 11:28:37 AM

The TCG is something else. The TCG goes Baby > Basic > Stage 1 > Stage 2. Obviously you can't have all four of those on one Pokemon line, but as you can see Baby Pokemon are considered their own stage under even Basic Pokemon, and yeah, evolutions are somewhat confusingly called Stage 1 and 2. It should noted that this isn't confusing at all in Japanese, since the Japanese terms literally translate to "first evolution" and "second evolution".

None of this applies to the video games. People usually just call them base form/stage 1, stage 2, and stage 3 because that's the most obvious way to refer to them.

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#5381: Sep 20th 2019 at 11:35:42 AM

I've heard some people suggest that the G-Max Pokémon are counted as their own entities. Like example would be that Corviknight would be like Pre-evo->Corviknight->G-Max Corviknight.

Also Duraludon doesn't seem to have a pre-evo. Someone already said that.

Edited by TPPR10 on Sep 20th 2019 at 9:36:14 PM

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#5382: Sep 20th 2019 at 12:20:41 PM

Aw yeah, hope for Sobble to have a final form of monstrous Jackson's chameleon still strong.

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#5383: Sep 20th 2019 at 3:48:30 PM

I'd imagine that G-max pokemon would count in the same ways megas count, leading to stage-1 corvide>stage-2 corvide>corviknight<>g-max corviknight

Also, though a chameleon is of course cool, I hope Sobble evolves into Dimitri a basilisk

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#5384: Sep 20th 2019 at 3:49:54 PM

Speaking of mythological creatures with stone gazes, a cockatrice Pokemon sounds like a fun idea.

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#5385: Sep 20th 2019 at 3:51:12 PM

I was thinking of elephant themed pokemon and suddenly it hit me

We need an elephantmon with a castle on its back,cos you know,elephant and castle?

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#5386: Sep 20th 2019 at 10:44:55 PM

No I'm afraid I don't know?

You guys think that picture leak might be accurate? the one with the penguin wizard?

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#5387: Sep 20th 2019 at 10:56:36 PM

We need an elephantmon with a castle on its back,cos you know,elephant and castle?

Interesting. I don't know how well known it is outside of London, but that's a valid mon inspiration for a Great Britain-based region

You guys think that picture leak might be accurate? the one with the penguin wizard?

I doubt it. Too much is taken from things we already have reason to expect, and it includes leaked gigantamax forms, which is just weird

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#5388: Sep 21st 2019 at 4:07:04 AM

What's the difference between a cockatrice and a basilisk anyway?

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#5389: Sep 21st 2019 at 4:08:24 AM

One is a monster chicken the other is a serpent

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#5390: Sep 21st 2019 at 4:09:09 AM

a cockatrice is a chicken with the body of a serpent, while a basalisk is all snake

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#5391: Sep 21st 2019 at 4:09:44 AM

A cockatrice has a chickens head and a reptillian body. Basilisks are all lizards, and has the benefit of having a real life animal named after it.

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#5392: Sep 21st 2019 at 4:14:36 AM

[up][up]They have similar origins and powers, but a basilisk looks more reptilian while a cockatrice looks more avian.

Edited by Kayeka on Sep 21st 2019 at 1:15:54 PM

TheLovecraftian Since: Jul, 2017
#5393: Sep 21st 2019 at 4:23:18 AM

As far as I understand, Cockatrices petrify people by touch, while Basilisks do it by sight.

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#5394: Sep 21st 2019 at 4:29:22 AM

Weird I've always assumed they both petrified by sight

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#5395: Sep 21st 2019 at 4:29:53 AM

wrong thread

Edited by Nouct on Sep 21st 2019 at 4:31:07 AM

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#5397: Sep 21st 2019 at 4:35:16 AM

I'm going by D&D and Nethack rules. I might be completely wrong.

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#5398: Sep 21st 2019 at 4:41:40 AM

Basilisks and cockatrice may or may not be exactly the same thing depending on who's talking. The earliest version of a basilisk was a super-venomous snake that oozed poison and killed with a gaze, while cockatrice were... basically the same thing but with rooster parts. Later they got petrification, presumably from conflation with medusa

Edited by Hylarn on Sep 21st 2019 at 4:42:58 AM

jdeo1997 BLADE Pathfinders from Orion–Cygnus Arm Since: Feb, 2016 Relationship Status: I won't say I'm in love
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#5399: Sep 21st 2019 at 5:29:16 AM

One hatches from a chicken/rooster egg incubated by a snake, the other is from a snake egg incubated by a chicken/rooster.

Also, one has a real animal named after it (and also Jesus. For the lizard, not the mythical creature), while the other doesn't

Edited by jdeo1997 on Sep 21st 2019 at 10:19:28 AM

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#5400: Sep 21st 2019 at 8:30:04 AM

[up] I am presuming the basilisk is from the snake egg.

Either way, it seems like we would need both in the same game set and in the same egg group. (For best results, put the cockatrice in one version and the basilisk in the other.)

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