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Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#126: Mar 9th 2019 at 4:44:24 PM

[up] Given that she didn't visibly age at all in the transition to the post-credit scene, we can safely assume that she at least unusually long lived. Either because of the Tesseract powers or the Kree genetic alterations.

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#127: Mar 9th 2019 at 5:03:19 PM

I really like the film, but I feel some of the fight scenes were shot too close.

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#128: Mar 9th 2019 at 5:06:13 PM

You know, even in the comics the Kree have always been bigger jerks than the Skrulls.

When Mar-Vel was dying of cancer, the Skrulls sent a representative to pay respects to Mar-Vel, even though he was their enemy.

The Kree sent no one.

Edited by Cortez on Mar 9th 2019 at 9:11:40 AM

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#129: Mar 9th 2019 at 5:08:56 PM

[up] Hell, Death herself paid respects to Mar-Vell. The Kree did not.

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#130: Mar 9th 2019 at 5:23:10 PM

They mention Carol is Long-Lived in the trailers. Given kree physiology and medical technology, it's completely expected really.

Sign me up for being happy she's a straight up bruiser. It's the best example of Flying Firepower we've seen on film so far.

Cant wait for spectrum in the sequel. cool

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#131: Mar 9th 2019 at 5:24:59 PM

Man are the Kree fucking pricks.

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#132: Mar 9th 2019 at 5:34:04 PM

She’ll absolutely go for the head. O_O

Yes. Yes, she will. Carol doesn't have to prove anything to Thanos.

They never talked about it, but I like when she's powering up on the space station and all of the station's power goes haywire. Carol, in the comics, has the ability to absorb energy from external sources (including other people's energy attacks) to strengthen herself. I felt like that's what she was doing there: draining the ship's power to make herself strong enough to break the Supreme Intelligence's grasp.

Can't wait to see what she does to the Infinity Gauntlet.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Mar 9th 2019 at 6:36:24 AM

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#133: Mar 9th 2019 at 5:40:37 PM

[up][up]

They are aren't they?

Well, except for Mar-Vell.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#134: Mar 9th 2019 at 5:53:51 PM

They're an entire alien race vitally composed of one gigantic asshole.

Except Mar-Vell, of course.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Mar 9th 2019 at 5:54:06 AM

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#135: Mar 9th 2019 at 5:57:01 PM

> They're an entire alien race vitally composed of one gigantic asshole.

That sentience conjures up the weirdest possible image let me you let you

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#136: Mar 9th 2019 at 5:59:38 PM

I like what they did with Mar-Vell.

Captain Marvel has a feminist theme of women helping women, building each other up with mutual respect. In a lot of movies, women don't really interact with other women. If they do, they're often hostile to each other; usually about a guy, but sometimes just because another woman dared to exist in their vicinity.

Women in film are often solitary at best, catty at worst, when it comes to relationships with other women. Women don't get to have the kind of deep bonds with other women in film that men like Sherlock Holmes and John Watson, Frodo Baggins and Samwise Gamgee, or Captain America and Bucky have. Entertainment media prefers to pit women against women, making every woman an island unto herself, reliant exclusively on men for their companionship.

Captain Marvel says nuts to that and gives us both the relationship between Carol and Maria as well as their mutual relationship with their female mentor. And the movie is better for it.

Also Nick Fury is there, but he's the film's Everett Ross.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#137: Mar 9th 2019 at 6:01:38 PM

Yeah. Even though I do feel sorry for Classic Mar-Vell since he's been getting the short end of the stick since his original death, I can disagree with what [up] is saying.

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NinjaDragon Since: Nov, 2010
#138: Mar 9th 2019 at 6:01:50 PM

Watching the first half of Agents of Shield S5 gave me Kree rascism, it seems. So I really enjoyed learning they were the bad guys.

I want an entire movie of Carol just killing Kree.

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#139: Mar 9th 2019 at 6:19:16 PM

It's an interesting theory that the reason why the Kree have called truce with Xandar by the time of Guardians is because Carol has been wrecking them so much that they can't really afford to be an invasive force anymore.

Also Carol's powers make her eternally the same age for about two decades movie-time and then Brie Larson's gonna continue getting older unless she's going to wear a CG mask from then on once the wrinkles start to stick. tongue

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Mar 9th 2019 at 6:19:51 AM

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#140: Mar 9th 2019 at 6:25:36 PM

I've been wondering about that. I always took the Kree-Xandar conflict as. Like. A war.

Just. Y'know. Two countries had a beef and they fought about it.

But with the context this movie gives us, I feel much more confident that the Kree Empire is 100% the aggressor of the Kree-Xandar conflict. The Kree tried to do to Xandar what they've done to the Skrulls and were beaten back. And they probably don't really have the manpower to keep going because of [up].

Ronan wasn't mad at Xandar for their role in a complex military engagement. He was mad at Xandar for not shutting the f*ck up and accepting their role as a Kree slave state. And what he wanted to do to their planet isn't actually uncharacteristic of Kree military tactics.

That's, uh. That's some context right there.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Mar 9th 2019 at 7:26:42 AM

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MrSeyker Since: Apr, 2011
#141: Mar 9th 2019 at 6:33:01 PM

I want to point out something about the whole talk by Fury about Thor and Loki visiting prompting the plot of the The Avengers.

The talk does not refer to The Avengers Initiative. Its all about the project to produce weapons with the Tesseract.

Since the initiative, at the time of The Avengers, never took off, they began pouring resource on cosmic weaponry starting with the Destroyer.

Edit: Woops, way late to the party. Wanted to post this yesterday, but never got around to it.

Edited by MrSeyker on Mar 9th 2019 at 6:41:56 AM

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#142: Mar 9th 2019 at 6:53:14 PM

Oh wow, Captain Marvel is an actual decent movies. But the internet told me it was going to be bad!

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#143: Mar 9th 2019 at 6:55:57 PM

The Skrull’s being so beaten would explain the possible creation of the Super-Skrulls.

Even the playing field as they say.

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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#144: Mar 9th 2019 at 7:19:45 PM

So, having not seen the movie, why didn't Fury call Carol for Avengers? Smething happen at the end of this one to justify her absence beyond "dropping a nuke on a city and calling in the Hulk wasn't important enough of a crisis?"

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Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#145: Mar 9th 2019 at 7:31:17 PM

[up] That specific question isn't explicitly answered.

However the part of the point of the Avengers initiative is that he wouldn't be reliant on her since she can't necessarily return at a moments notice and he considered what she was doing away from Earth to be important work in itself.

I think it can be inferred that if the Avengers failed to hold New York, he would of called her up. And it's unlikely she would of arrived in time to save New York anyways even if he called her when the attack began.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#146: Mar 9th 2019 at 7:34:03 PM

The short of it is that he had a bunch of heroes there already that he trusted could handle it.

The long of it is that, in retrospect, his appearance in Iron Man 2, and his appearance in Ultron, gave the impression that his primary objective when dealing with the others was to guide them into being heroes worthy of protecting the world, push them into making the right decisions and letting them handle harrowing situations to test their mettle and confirm they could do the job he saw Carol do so long ago. Looking back on it, he's been collecting gifted and exceptional individuals for a long time, and there's definitely a sense that he's willing to gambling with fate of the world, if the prize is ensuring the world is so well protected that no one ever needs to make that gamble again. Basically, Dumbledore.

So he didn't want to call Carol in to save everyone's butts unless he was absolutely sure they couldn't handle it, because that would defeat the purpose of fostering new heroes to do that job themselves.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Mar 9th 2019 at 8:41:17 AM

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#147: Mar 9th 2019 at 7:36:37 PM

[up]This. During New York he has Cap, Tony, Thor, Nat, Hulk, and Clint. They are there to fight, they are literally the purpose of the Avengers Intiative.

There's no point in assembling them if he's just going to page Carol without even testing them.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#148: Mar 9th 2019 at 8:08:15 PM

Yeah.

I think having Thor there alone made him trust that they weren't at the point where he needed to call her back. He's probably the most powerful alien he's seen since Carol, and made it clear he was on their side.

But there's also pragmatic things to consider:

1) She might not be able to get there in time, especially since the invasion was in full swing;

2) The situation wasn't bad enough yet to warrant calling her, as six (admittedly exceptional people) were managing to contain the invasion to the city;

3)....ok, there is not three, or if there is, I forgot it.

He finally bites the bullet in Infinity War because people were literally turning to dust. Which means that (combined with Stark being flat out gone) that the heroes failed and she was definitely needed.

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#149: Mar 9th 2019 at 8:38:35 PM

So, having not seen the movie, why didn't Fury call Carol for Avengers?
This applies to Age of Ultron, too: he didn't know how far away Carol was or how fast she would be able to get there (she mentions that the pager can send a signal several galaxies away), so paging her when she might not arrive for months isn't a feasible solution. Plus, he already had a feasible solution: the Avengers.

Also, judging by the post-credits scene in Captain Marvel, it did take Carol weeks or months to get herself back on Earth.

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#150: Mar 9th 2019 at 10:18:48 PM

Plus she could still be fighting the kree and saving the Skrulls refugees.

I guess he wants to save calling her away from that as a last resort.

He did seem to be sympathetic to the Skrull's plight after all.


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