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NitroIndigo ♀ | Small ripples lead to big waves from West Midlands region, England Since: Jun, 2021 Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#1826: Aug 16th 2024 at 10:08:07 AM

We can talk about the comics. Please read Set Your Sail.

Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
Redmess
#1827: Aug 16th 2024 at 11:47:29 AM

What is it about?

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NitroIndigo ♀ | Small ripples lead to big waves from West Midlands region, England Since: Jun, 2021 Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#1828: Aug 16th 2024 at 10:23:21 PM

Seaponies, and a conspiracy.

Ferot_Dreadnaught Since: Mar, 2015
#1829: Aug 17th 2024 at 10:56:19 AM

[up]It's going to get its final issue the end of this month, might be worth waiting to discuss that till then.

The next comic series ''The Storm of Zephyr Heights" looks to involve Cloudsdale. What does it say that the comparatively obscure comics have taken over the show as the biggest effort at lore/storytelling? And that they are effectively releasing as much content as the show with how little TYT is putting out?

NitroIndigo ♀ | Small ripples lead to big waves from West Midlands region, England Since: Jun, 2021 Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#1830: Aug 17th 2024 at 10:58:52 AM

The comics are under less scrutiny from the general public, so they're allowed to get away with being darker. At least, that's my guess. I've also literally read only one issue of the main G5 series (the one that introduces Violette and the zebras), because they were all abruptly pulled from the Kindle store gaaaah.

Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
Redmess
#1831: Aug 17th 2024 at 12:05:26 PM

Yeah, Make Your Mark is utterly disinterested in the past of Equestria, unfortunately. It may as well be a different country, really.

Also, now that I have seen the whole thing, some episodes now stand out as particularly pointless. Remember when they spent a whole episode setting up that old factory as an important location? Never mentioned again? Sprout making a comeback? Nope! Find out why Opaline kidnapped Misty in the first place? We never do!

That is exactly what I mean when I say this show lacks direction and vision. They are just stumbling about with the plot, trying out and then abandoning ideas left and right. It reads as a bunch of writers who had a season arc foisted upon them from above that they didn't really have any idea what to do with.

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Ferot_Dreadnaught Since: Mar, 2015
#1832: Aug 17th 2024 at 9:07:00 PM

[up]It did explain why Opaline kidnapped Misty, they wanted to use her friendship to empower her Together Tree.

Why do you think you failed to notice? A flaw in the work or reviewing it in a way clearly different than it was meant to be scrutinized?

Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
Redmess
#1833: Aug 18th 2024 at 2:05:22 AM

I did remember, it just came so out of left field I didn't really accept it as the explanation, I guess.

I mean, that's totally not the relationship they are having at the beginning of the show. Opaline clearly did not want to be "friends" with this girl. She treated her as an unwanted daughter, not like an enforced friend.

Honestly, the whole story was a lot more interesting when Misty still was the unloved daughter in the relationship, rather than just a random underling she kidnapped once.

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Ferot_Dreadnaught Since: Mar, 2015
#1834: Aug 22nd 2024 at 10:15:17 AM

[up]Maybe because she gave up trying to befriend her? That frustration would give reason for her abusiveness and short-sightedness, and her desiring friends but being too messed to admit or properly act on that

pragmatic reasons

Latest TYT has a minor but long overdue development.

Wondering if we should wait until the end of the series before troping about his absence to see how absent he actually is (in minutes it's equivalent to 4 FIM episodes in, hardly enough to make a call).

Realized the issue with TYT is it's giving so little content so slowly it's prohibitive to trope conventionally.

Edited by Ferot_Dreadnaught on Aug 22nd 2024 at 7:02:42 AM

DoctorWTF Since: Jul, 2020
#1835: Aug 23rd 2024 at 5:46:56 PM

[up] Given what we've seen of Opaline, the idea of her making any meaningful attempt at friendship is kind of a tough pill to swallow. On that note, has she been evaluated as a candidate for Complete Monster?

lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#1836: Aug 23rd 2024 at 6:14:13 PM

I doubt it, she's probably not heinous enough and also comedic in Tell Your Tale.

The one MLP keeper on there, Cosmos, burned down an orphanage while kids were inside and had, IIRC, millennia of equally-horrific deeds that she did for fun.

Edited by lalalei2001 on Aug 23rd 2024 at 9:16:39 AM

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Ferot_Dreadnaught Since: Mar, 2015
#1837: Aug 25th 2024 at 2:07:27 PM

[up]More specifically, Cosmos was shown burning down said orphanage and such in the work. Opaline destitution of G4 civilization never outright shows the mass casualties/destruction that would qualify, not to mention the suspect canonicity of the comics to the shows (which imply it happened centuries after the comics stated given Spikes age), which are too kid-friendly to allow anything serious/played seriously enough to qualify given the evils it has forgiven (CM cleanup said that of G4, G5 is even less dark so)... In short too much of what might qualify Opaline is just Fridge Horror rather than explicit portrayal, factoring in how inconsistent it is/the continuity issues...

My Little Pony: Set Your Sail revealed Pipp's full name is "Philomena". I like it, but why has Queen Haven never used it despite regularly using Zipp's full name (particularly "Pipp Petals! Zephyrina Storm!" when equally upset with both in The Jinxie Games)? Should we treat this as just a comic continuity thing, retcon, or continuity error?

Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
Redmess
#1838: Aug 25th 2024 at 3:39:59 PM

Yeah, I agree Opaline is mostly Fridge Horror, what she does in the show is comparatively harmless.

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Moroaica Since: Aug, 2017
#1839: Aug 25th 2024 at 6:33:38 PM

Opaline can be nasty, besides abusing Misty she planned on straight up murdering a baby dragon by dropping him off a building (even quipping that it's quite a drop) but besides her worst crimes being Fridge Horror 90% of her scenes in the show are her being goofy and ineffective.

Even if the 2d series isnt treated as canon she'd have to really step up her game for CM status

Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
Redmess
#1840: Aug 25th 2024 at 8:56:39 PM

I found the dragon outside the window thing a bit ridiculous, to be honest. There was no reason at all for her to do that. It was a bit too over the top.

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lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#1841: Aug 25th 2024 at 9:06:35 PM

It might've been a callback to Tirac threatening to behead Spike back in G1.

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Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
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#1842: Aug 25th 2024 at 9:17:55 PM

Yeah, but that was at least threatened to keep the other guy in line. Opaline doesn't really have an excuse beyond just feeling like it. She doesn't particularly hate dragons, and doesn't have any reason to hate Sparky either, so this comes rather out of the blue. Also, later in the season she is perfectly happy to just enslave dragons as her minions, which makes her wanting to off Sparky all the more baffling.

This is basically what happens when you do such things for the sake of drama without looking for a proper character motivation behind it.

Edited by Redmess on Aug 25th 2024 at 6:18:56 PM

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Ferot_Dreadnaught Since: Mar, 2015
#1843: Aug 26th 2024 at 5:37:34 PM

[up]Opaline outright stated the reason she so hated Sparky. Spite for thwarting her prior capture attempts. Her entire motivation for villainy was by then established as a childhood grudge with Celestia and Luna, so this is in line with her established character flaws (wrath, short-sightedness) so thus has "proper character motivation behind it". It's not a deep motive, but it's 100% consistent with her character.

I think you're looking so hard for explanations more mature/complex than what the show's gunning for that you're overlooking the explanations the show gives even if it's outright told to us.

Asking again about the comics giving Pipp's full name "Philomena". Recalled it contracts a prior comic's name, albeit one that's likely not real given the context. I intend to put it under Series Continuity Error given the unexplained inconsistencies with the show and prior comics, moving the Retcon if they're consistent about this full name going forward which I hope is the case. Any objections/thoughts?

Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
Redmess
#1844: Aug 26th 2024 at 6:05:50 PM

I guess that's true. That's what I get for coming from G4, I suppose.

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NitroIndigo ♀ | Small ripples lead to big waves from West Midlands region, England Since: Jun, 2021 Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#1845: Aug 26th 2024 at 10:37:24 PM

Piplette could be Zipp's nickname for Pipp.

Ferot_Dreadnaught Since: Mar, 2015
#1846: Sep 2nd 2024 at 11:14:47 AM

Under Franchise.My Little Pony Generation 5, IRONFIRE deleted Happy Ending Override and Sequel Series replacing them with this:

  • Alternative Continuity: While marketing claims G5 happens in the same continuity as My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic, the many divergences in the world building, retcons and appearances of legacy characters plant G5 as it's own setting with a different interpretation of the events of G4 happening in it's ancient past.

Besides coming of as wonk, I intend to revert as the inconsistencies are below what's intentional effort to make alternate continuity/could be explained by all the changes between generations (this does't even explain what the inconsistency are that are not just Series Continuity Error). Also canon is defined by official statements on the matter, which have said nothing to suggest they changed since stating it canon, not audiences agreeing/disagreeing.

Any thoughts/objections?

NitroIndigo ♀ | Small ripples lead to big waves from West Midlands region, England Since: Jun, 2021 Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#1847: Sep 2nd 2024 at 11:26:27 AM

[up][tup] for cutting. Maybe you could add a Broad Strokes example?

Edited by NitroIndigo on Sep 2nd 2024 at 7:26:44 PM

Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
Redmess
#1848: Sep 2nd 2024 at 12:53:52 PM

There are inconsistencies, but I think you can file them under in-universe mythologization of the past.

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Ferot_Dreadnaught Since: Mar, 2015
#1849: Sep 2nd 2024 at 1:03:07 PM

Broad Strokes applied to the G4 comics and EU because they officially stated they were canon unless/until contradicted by the show.

G5 has never been stated to have that, despite having two frequently contradicting shows (MYM and TYT). So anything about the G5 canon status beyond the original statements they were part of G4 is fan wank/speculation.

Ferot_Dreadnaught Since: Mar, 2015
#1850: Sep 5th 2024 at 1:31:44 PM

The latest TYT actually advanced the main conflict.

Given Sunny's not even part of the rescue, think she worth adding under Memetic Loser due to how underutilized she is despite being the main character?

Edited by Ferot_Dreadnaught on Sep 5th 2024 at 1:31:55 AM


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