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Zeromaeus Mighty No. 51345 from Neo Arcadia
Mighty No. 51345
Mar 7th 2019 at 4:02:20 AM

It could be that she said the love thing to her husband to try and mend the marriage. It's also possible that that was the breaking point. If divorce came up, but he still loved her, and she did that, would he go into that trance-like state or would he just realize she tried to mesmerize him?

I did feel sympathy for her, though. She was clearly repentant for her misuse of her ability. To the point where she wasn't using it even when it could have helped her. She didn't have to lie to the cop to tag-along, but she did so she wouldn't have to use her power. She had the misfortune of being born with an ability with, arguably, very few moral applications and was raised in an environment that actively encouraged her to use them.

Mega Man fanatic extraordinaire
Mar 7th 2019 at 5:16:57 AM

As far as I understood it she used it on her daughter, not her husband.

Mar 7th 2019 at 9:37:13 AM

Allison gains a LOT of sympathy points for me because she's the only Hargreaves sibling to put effort into treating Vanya right.

Diago, of all people, seems to put the most time and effort into helping his siblings even if he is quick to jump to conflict. He even tries to sort things out with Luther despite loathing his guts. But even he has no time for Vanya.

I can't even really hate Luthor either, because really he was just clinging to the hope there was some wisdom in how their farther treated them.

Pogo though? Fuck Pogo.

Mar 7th 2019 at 10:13:04 AM

I haven't see the whole season yet - frankly, I am kind of struggling, and I don't know why. I mean, I should adore the parts (other than the time travel, I always have a hard time with time travel shows), but somehow the show manages to be extremely predictable so far.

I mean…

Is anyone really surprised that the kid with supposedly no powers actually has some? That the guy who can see ghost is able to see the dead member of the team? That the guy with the giant body is misshapen under all the layers he constantly wears? That the suitcase was stolen? That the guy who comes back in combat clothes spend a year in Vietnam? I didn't even had to hear the year to figure that out. That the overly complimentary "student" is up to something? That the unfriendly musician got killed so that Vania had the opportunity to shine? That the police officer got killed after Carl didn't bother to tell her how many perps were on the scene?

I just don't get how a show with so many crazy elements can be that predictable.

Mar 7th 2019 at 10:22:39 AM

It's got a lot of weird in some respects but individual components can be pretty predictable. I think things like Luther's body or Vanya having power would have been pretty difficult to foreshadow without being guessable.

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Mar 7th 2019 at 10:31:27 AM

I don't see how Klaus' army fatigues fits into that list. The twist was that he went at all, not where he went when he did, because it reveals what's in the case.

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Mar 7th 2019 at 11:02:30 AM

[up] It just feels as if the show makes a big mystery out of it, especially when they show this old photo as if this is some sort of big revelation, even though it is really obvious.

Mar 7th 2019 at 11:24:49 AM

I never thought the photo was meant to be a reveal, so much as a sentimental moment.

I can't say I watched the show for the plot, I watched it because ai like the characters. I imagine I'd be pretty underwhelmed if someone had sold this show to me as being a fast paced show of twists and mysteries.

Farther Hargreaves killing himself did surprise me though.

Mar 7th 2019 at 12:23:15 PM

I don't even want twist and mysteries...though if the show throws "mysteries" at me, they shouldn't be so predictable. I just want the show to surprise me once in a while by doing something unexpected. Not in a big twist, more in a "okay, this went into a different direction than I thought". Like, that Alison used her power on her daughter and not her husband, that was a nice surprise (well, not nice) because this makes her effectively a child abuser, which also explains why the father was so adamant about her not being allowed to talk to her daughter. I wouldn't allow it either, since she just has to talk to her to use her powers. I want more of that.

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Mar 7th 2019 at 12:57:29 PM

It did surprise me when Vanya cut Allison's throat.

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Mar 7th 2019 at 4:38:46 PM

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Would this be enough to put it under the Ambiguous Situation trope?

Zeromaeus Mighty No. 51345 from Neo Arcadia
Mighty No. 51345
Mar 7th 2019 at 4:46:40 PM

I'd say so. We have no way, currently, to know who she said that to.

Mega Man fanatic extraordinaire
Mar 8th 2019 at 12:28:28 AM

So, I made it through the end...which kind of surprised me at least in one way: I actually thought that bringing number 5 in was some sort of elaborate plan to reset the time-line and or ensure that the catastrophe happens in the first place. But nope, this organisation is apparently really that stupid....

On a different note, here is why I hate time travel stories: So apparently abusive daddy (yeah, sorry, I am BAD with names) knew that the apocalypse would happen so he killed himself (called that one, nobody but him could have programmed mother that way), to ensure that the children would all come to his funeral. But, well, if he hadn't done it, Carl wouldn't have stolen the box with the book, hence the book had never ended up in the garbage, hence Harold would have never looked for Vanja....

alliterator professional crastinator from Southern California
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Mar 8th 2019 at 12:41:17 AM

[up] Yeah, it's a whole causal time thing. Timey wimey and all that.

Honestly, it makes more sense in the comics: in the comics, Harold isn't the one to manipulate Vanya, instead it's a cult called the "the Orchestra Verdament" who want Vanya to play something called "the Apocalypse Suite" and end the world.

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Mar 8th 2019 at 5:36:52 AM

I'm pretty sure Farther Hargreaves was a stopped clock that happened to be right.

Heck, I think it's a valid reading to argue he caused the apocalypse. he thinks Vanya has the power to destroy the world, she he abuses her and collects information on her, and pits her siblings against her. And once he realises he no longer has his sibling on his side to monitor Vanya, he creates an elaborate and stressful scenario to pressure them into it, and in doing so, they in turn pressure Vanya into causing the thing seemingly by accident

But then again, we do see that Hargreaves can seemingly time travel himself

gropcbf from France
Mar 8th 2019 at 12:08:19 PM

I think I liked this series, but a few things annoy me. Like Swanpride I think many things are very predicatable. I also dislike how the characters take turns being assholes because conflict serves the plot.

I suppose the comics's plot was set before mobile phones, because much of the action is based on characters not being able to call each other easily. The tv series is set today, except that nobody has a mobile phone (good thing they manage to bump onto each other at random places).

There are also things I found very likable, such as Five and Delores.

The Vietnam war episode is very cliché (if you have to pick one random time and one random place, it's hard to pick ones that are more known to the audience), but at least that war works well as a metaphor for the superhero crap that the characters had to do as kids.

Edited by gropcbf on Mar 8th 2019 at 9:08:54 PM

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Mar 8th 2019 at 2:07:23 PM

Well, its 'modern day' in a similar way that A Series of Unfortunate Events is with the Ambiguous Time Period. Though Unfortunate Events more or less parodies that with things like a computer shop next door to a blacksmith. I'm ok with the lack of cell phones since I think we're having a bit of a hard time keeping narrative tension with them as an available resource so ignoring them is a valid option in my mind.

As for Hargreeves knowing about the apocalypse, while I'm JUST starting Ep. 10 now, my assumption would be that he knows it will happen but not the context to it allowing him to inadvertedly cause said future.

Mar 8th 2019 at 2:19:05 PM

Yeah, the technology feels far too off, I feel like it's over the line where 'ambiguous anachronistic time period' is a more reasonable assumption than 'present day with a ton of technology-induced plotholes'.

alliterator professional crastinator from Southern California
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Mar 8th 2019 at 2:20:08 PM

The comics explicitly took place in the 1970s, but for the show, it's modern day, albeit an alternate modern day with retro technology. Hence, no cell phones.

Edited by alliterator on Mar 8th 2019 at 2:20:12 AM

"What, you think I won't fight a dinosaur? Are you crazy? All I want to do is fight dinosaurs." — Squirrel Girl
Mar 9th 2019 at 11:11:57 AM

Modern day? To me it felt more like Comic book world...I mean, I think they use actual dates, but it looks more like the 1970s with a few modern elements thrown in.

Mar 11th 2019 at 3:21:44 PM

Just checking the other Wiki real quick, it doesn't look like Gerard Way had anything to do with the writing of the show. So my question is: to what extent was Way's involvement?

Mar 11th 2019 at 5:13:46 PM

Who would you say is the best dancer of the family?

alliterator professional crastinator from Southern California
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Mar 11th 2019 at 9:22:34 PM

So my question is: to what extent was Way's involvement?
He wrote the original comic. His involvement in the show is limited, I believe, to contributing a song to the soundtrack.

"What, you think I won't fight a dinosaur? Are you crazy? All I want to do is fight dinosaurs." — Squirrel Girl
Mar 11th 2019 at 9:50:02 PM

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Thanks, that's about what I thought.

There's been some people on social media getting all bent out of shape about some of the creative liberties taken with the show (so, basically a typical day in fandom), which has quickly escalated into making outrageous accusations against Way himself. I had thought that Way was pretty uninvolved with the show, and just wanted to make sure.

Fandom's can really be the worst sometimes, can't they?

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Mar 12th 2019 at 12:39:46 AM

From what little I've heard, he's still approving of the show.


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