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I think it's safe to call the crowner in favor of both restricting the trope to in-universe name order confusion and making a Useful Notes page on name order conventions. I don't have any ideas for what the Useful Notes page could have, but I was thinking that the list of conventions can be moved to a sandbox and worked on from there.
Edit: For the record, restricting this to in-universe confusion would just mean restricting the trope to offsite confusion, instead of listing instances of mix-ups from tropers. I wasn't suggesting making this In-Universe Examples Only; real life examples could still be listed as long as there's actual confusion and not potential confusion, with the exception of acknowledgement of potential confusion.
Edited by GastonRabbit on May 16th 2019 at 2:25:56 PM
Both options are unanimous, so since they're not mutually exclusive, we can call in favor of both.
By offsite, I simply meant not listing instances of tropers getting confused, since that's mentioned in the description, but keeping examples of confusion from elsewhere. I was planning on removing that part of the description.
Edit: Sentence removed.
Edited by GastonRabbit on May 16th 2019 at 7:50:53 AM
So now that it's called, what do we do?
I removed the "On this very wiki..." sentence and moved the large list of conventions to Sandbox.Name Order Conventions, so the latter can potentially be put in the proposed Useful Notes page.
Edit: Limiting this to cases of actual confusion on the part of people in a work or in real life situations. A lot of examples simply list instances of non-Western names without listing any actual confusion, or specifically only mention fan confusion, which would be an Audience Reaction and not an objective trope. That was what I meant by not listing cases of tropers getting confused. Note that I left the One Piece example because the creator acknowledges fan confusion in a specific part of the work.
Edit: I got what I could with the on-page examples, and moved real life examples (mainly cases of translators instead of characters either getting confused or intentionally preventing confusion) to the Real Life section. I might have overlooked something, because I'm kind of tired at the moment.
Edit: Wicks cleaned. There were a lot of examples that either didn't list any actual confusion or used the trope as an Audience Reaction (including two YMMV page examples, despite this never being YMMV), possibly even the majority, based on the new wick count. Now the Useful Notes page needs to be made. I propose adding something like "See [location of Useful Notes page] for potential causes of this trope" to the end of Name Order Confusion's description after the Useful Notes page is made.
Edit: I left a commented-out note mentioning the planned Useful Notes page and directing people to Sandbox.Name Order Conventions.
Edited by GastonRabbit on May 16th 2019 at 12:25:02 PM
I don't recall any examples from those types of works, but I would have left them where they were if they fit. I was talking about what the wiki would classify as a Real Life example (this trope isn't NRLEP, as I've said before).
This thread is mainly open because the Useful Notes page hasn't been made yet.
Edited by GastonRabbit on May 21st 2019 at 3:25:10 AM
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