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Feb 1st 2019 at 9:11:44 AM

A thread for the Fast & Furious spin off starring Hobbs and Shaw.

Official trailer drops.

Remember when this franchise was about illegal street racing?

Edited by windleopard on Feb 1st 2019 at 9:22:01 AM

TobiasDrake Exposition Dragon from Colorado, USA Relationship Status: She's holding a very large knife
Feb 1st 2019 at 9:28:21 AM

No, I don't.

This franchise has been about cops and robbers since the very first installment, when Officer O'Connell went undercover to take down Dom's high-speed heists. Illegal street racing has always been part of the aesthetic, not a core facet of the plot. The movies have illegal street racing in them, but they aren't about illegal street racing and never were.

Except Tokyo Drift, but nobody liked that movie.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Feb 1st 2019 at 10:29:28 AM

Drake's Razor: Never attribute to cold unfeeling logic that which can be equally explained by emotional outburst.
Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Feb 1st 2019 at 9:32:18 AM

Be that as it may, this time around we have what appears to be a genetically engineered super-soldier as the main villain. That's....pretty wild, even for this franchise.

"Cobras Fumantes eterna é sua vitória!"
Ultimatum ◕ Disasturbator from England Relationship Status: Holding out for a hero
◕ Disasturbator
Feb 1st 2019 at 9:33:20 AM

hey there's only so many times they can reuse the car chase plots

click not | no dont click this either seriously why would you
Feb 1st 2019 at 9:33:25 AM

Speaking of Tokyo Drift, I'm sure that Sean, Neela and Twinkie would just be thrilled to know the guy that killed Han is still breathing.

[up]I've been kicking around a Transformers/F&F crossover in my head for a while now. I even considered making Epps Rome's twin brother that he doesn't talk about due to his criminal record.

Edited by windleopard on Feb 1st 2019 at 9:34:45 AM

TobiasDrake Exposition Dragon from Colorado, USA Relationship Status: She's holding a very large knife
Feb 1st 2019 at 9:36:51 AM

Be that as it may, this time around we have what appears to be a genetically engineered super-soldier as the main villain. That's....pretty wild, even for this franchise.

I'm weirdly cool with it. They've been throwing cars out of planes, fighting tanks with cars, fighting drones with cars, jumping cars out of skyscrapers, bulldozing buildings with a vault chained to cars, etc. for a while now. My Suspension of Disbelief is already at the "LOL, Whatever" level for this franchise.

I'm still waiting for Dom to ramp a car off the International Space Station. It will happen, so help me.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Feb 1st 2019 at 10:37:44 AM

Drake's Razor: Never attribute to cold unfeeling logic that which can be equally explained by emotional outburst.
Feb 1st 2019 at 10:00:47 AM

[up]Maybe in the cartoon. And yes that’s happening.

"That's right kid. Never play an ace when a two will do."
Feb 1st 2019 at 10:01:38 AM

Alas, the writers have stated there will be no space travel.

Sorry, guys.sad

Edited by windleopard on Feb 1st 2019 at 10:01:51 AM

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Feb 1st 2019 at 10:42:00 AM

Given what Hobbs showed last movie, makes you wonder if they didn't use him as the basis for superhuman experiments.

Feb 1st 2019 at 10:43:12 AM

[up]An army with the strength and charisma of The Rock...bah Gawd King.

"That's right kid. Never play an ace when a two will do."
Feb 1st 2019 at 10:49:43 AM

So this movie will reveal that Hobbs does have super powers and was experimented on?

Edited by windleopard on Feb 1st 2019 at 10:50:19 AM

Ghilz Fight It Out! from The Moon, Or Canada Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Fight It Out!
Feb 1st 2019 at 10:55:45 AM

I'm so on board with this. I love these movies for how dumb they are, and yeah, this spin off is perfect to my tastes

MrHellboy The Spectre Monk from The Twilight Zone Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
The Spectre Monk
Feb 1st 2019 at 11:47:36 AM

I think I said "Oh my God" about five times watching this trailer, more amused than awed.

This looks so unbelievably ridiculous and I am so gonna watch the hell out of it.

I love all of these movies and can't wait for this one

I guess, after a night of pillaging and raping, a Viking wants a little something to go with his cocoa.
Apr 18th 2019 at 5:43:09 AM

New trailer

"So you guys are being hunted by an army of mercenaries lead by a genetically enhanced soldier"

Well, gee, when you put it like that it sounds so ridiculous.tongue

Also, I'm still not convinced we won't find out Hobbs is enhanced himself.

Edited by windleopard on Apr 18th 2019 at 6:49:04 AM

Apr 20th 2019 at 12:29:04 PM

I know there's a trope called Fan Wank. Just seeing this trailer makes me wish there was a trope called Script Wank. This really, really, really looks like Statham and Johnson pleasuring themselves with all the "best" lines, while Idris Elba is clearly a case of Money, Dear Boy.

Edited by Gort on Apr 20th 2019 at 8:29:16 PM

dRoy Ready to Rant from The Happy Place Relationship Status: A cockroach, nothing can kill it.
Ready to Rant
Apr 21st 2019 at 5:20:10 AM

Okay seriously, like a comment said, that trailer reveals like, what, half of the entire plot?

Also, like I always said, if not before, at least by the time Furious 7 rolled out this franchise became a full-blown superhero movie.

And my God, I am gonna watch the crap out of this one!

Mother of god...You turned one of the hardest and best Champions into an absolute joke. - Zelenal
Ultimatum ◕ Disasturbator from England Relationship Status: Holding out for a hero
dRoy Ready to Rant from The Happy Place Relationship Status: A cockroach, nothing can kill it.
Ready to Rant
Apr 21st 2019 at 5:33:17 AM

Hence, "if not before."

The sheer ridiculousness of it all is most hilariously described in its Abridged Script.

But holy fuck, I loved that scene. I just love tanks.

Mother of god...You turned one of the hardest and best Champions into an absolute joke. - Zelenal
Ultimatum ◕ Disasturbator from England Relationship Status: Holding out for a hero
◕ Disasturbator
Apr 21st 2019 at 6:16:07 AM

At some point in the future Fast & Furious is going to become a fully animated film an replace all the sound effects with stock cartoon sounds

click not | no dont click this either seriously why would you
Apr 21st 2019 at 6:40:14 AM

There is Wag the Director, especially when it comes to big names they are always fighting for the best lines. The Expendables was apparently designed entirely with the actors input, and they still had a lot of egos to contend with.

Edited by KJMackley on Apr 21st 2019 at 6:40:25 AM

jakobitis from Lots of places Relationship Status: I'm Clockwork and she's Quartz
Apr 21st 2019 at 7:18:55 AM

Before too long, the MCU with its sorcery, Norse Gods and super-science is MORE grounded and realistic than F&F. And I love it!

TargetmasterJoe Much more than meets the eye! from The City, USA Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
Much more than meets the eye!
Aug 3rd 2019 at 12:06:22 PM

The movie's got an A- in CinemaScore.

I'm not super big into Fast & Furious as a whole, but the guy who directed H&S also did Deadpool 2, which was fun, so I might give H&S a stab later.

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Weirdguy149 The sleeping royal from Galar Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
The sleeping royal
Aug 3rd 2019 at 12:15:55 PM

The Fast and the Furious is a franchise that's been through several phases: a basic GTA movie, a series of spy movies, and lately, a bunch of stupid fun action movies with fun setpieces, all connected by hokey but endearing plots about the family.

I say, fitting time for a nap, eh what?
dRoy Ready to Rant from The Happy Place Relationship Status: A cockroach, nothing can kill it.
Ready to Rant
Aug 17th 2019 at 6:37:52 PM

I watched the movie last night and here are my thoughts after letting the movie stew in my head for a night. There are good and bad things I want to talk about this movie.

WARNING: Contains a LOT of spoilers.

Here are three bad parts, in my opinion.

First FUCKING Kevin Hart. I hated every single one of his appearance. Before his first appearance, the movie was very fast-paced: almost every few seconds, you'd have an either funny or awesome sequence or both. The movie never lingered on a non-emotional scene for long, which I thought was fitting for a Fast and Furious movie. THEN Kevin Hart had to appear out of nowhere and the movie came to a screeching halt and lost all the sense of momentum, as well as my enjoyment. After that, it took a bit longer to rebuild that pace for me. I hated his second appearance as well: just like his first appearance, it just dragged on.

And seriously, he as a former Delta Force turned air marshal? I'm not the only one to point this out but give me a fucking break here. Literally, every other actors and actress who play badass characters here have played badass characters in other action/sci-fi movies or superhero movies. And don't give me that "That's the joke/point" bullshit either because it's not a joke so funny that it was worth disrupting the movie. Good GOD, I just wanted to choke the crap out of the character.

Secondly, seriously? Weapons that need electronic key cards to activate?! That's so damn stupid and inefficient in so many ways. I'd have accepted bioreader like the pistol in Skyfall, but this is just too inconvenient for the bad guys and convenient for the heroes.

Lastly and the most importantly, Brixton was very underwhelming for a supposed super-soldier. Due to the Marvel Cinematic Universe's portrayal of Captain America, there are higher expectations for super-soldiers now. Brixton, though, feels only slightly stronger than muscular and combat-hardened characters of the Furiousverse. I think there should've been scenes like:

  • Brixton jumping from a high place and landing on a fast-moving vehicle, completely totaling it.
  • Brixton catching up or outrunning a car on his feet.
  • Brixton taking a punch to the face without facial expression, but only hurting the puncher's hand.
  • Brixton punching a person through the walls.
  • Brixton lifting a small car and throwing it at the heroes.
  • Brixton picking up a large gun with huge recoils and casually using it with his only one hand.

And so on.

I also feel that his mechanical eyes only giving him info on enemy's punch coordinates was a bit of a missed opportunity. Come on, this is a Fast and Furious movie! We should've seen the eyes giving him the fastest routes, the potential force of a vehicular collision, tires and other car parts' integrity, etc.

Now, this is strictly a personal gripe. Well, even more of a personal one than others. I never found him too threatening of an antagonist. Hobbs mentioned how he was like a goddamn Terminator, and well, I think that element should've been incorporated more. I think he should've appeared less and spoke even less.

I think for the first quarter of the movie, the audience should've seen only bits and parts of Brixton. Like, when he shows up to kill the MI 6 agents, we would only see his back and boots, and when he kill the last surviving agent, he could've done it by grabbing and crushing his throat and when Deckard entered his sister's previous, booby-trapped hiding place, that could've been the better place for his first full body shot appearance.

You know how Brixton has glowing eyes? Well, what if the audience first sees a pair of glowing orange eyes in the dark, placed a bit lower than Deckard...then Brixton stands up and the glowing eyes now tower over Deckard and looking down on him. Deckard tries to punch and hit the super-soldier with everything he has, but it just doesn't work, forcing the latter to activate the booby traps in the house against him, just to escape.

Personally, I think it would've been better if Brixton kept silent for most of the movies, giving most of his lines to the Director, acting as his mouthpiece. I think that could've have conveyed the message of Eteon turning its employees and agents into a machine. For bonus points, I'd have made that Brixton used to be a talkative and cheerful agent before turning into a super-soldier at Eteon's hands. Shaw would lament at what his comrade turned into and maybe when Brixton died, he would show his human side one last time.


HOLY BALLS I LOVED THE CRAP OUT OF THIS MOVIE!

Where do I even begin with all the things I loved about this movie?

  • Well, I'm gonna start with how much I loved the pacing. There was not a single second that I felt bored, which I think is a good sign for a movie like this. Until FUCKING Kevin Hart character appeared, that was.
  • The parallel scenes of Hobbs and Shaw, going on about their daily lives and interrogating some bad guys. I thought that was pretty darn neat and clever.
  • I just love their bickering in general. I particularly liked when they were both captured and tied to electric torture rig, Brixton commented how even at the entire world's fate was at their hands, they were still bickering. I'm not sure if the creators intended that, but I really liked that remark because I love World War II history and some of you might be surprised how often both the Allies and the Axis constantly bickered in between themselves. Hell, Interservice Rivalry is also a very much Truth in Television.
  • In my opinion, Hattie was a very competent female character. She never keeps being a prisoner without putting up a fight, even becoming a captive as a part of the plan. I also liked how he had a fighting style and philosophy that was distinct enough from the two leads.
  • I'm not kidding, I genuinely liked the "Genoncide, schmenocide" line. It was the perfect kind of cheese I expected from this series.
  • I liked the Samoa part very much. I think it had a strong sense of going back to its route, both in -universe and in meta-sense. Hobbs is going back to his Samoan family route, while the series revisits its more down to earth elements, with old cars, cable tow cars, and lots and lots of gasoline. Well, the latter is only partial, since how apparently in this universe Samoa is an engineering hub, but I think the spirit stands. Also, I liked Hobbs getting in his traditional garb and chanting Samoan war chant. I feel that it touched something more primal in my heart.
  • And of course, the action. Oh boy, the action. The movie doesn't give a damn about physics and I'm totally okay with it!
    • That shot of Deckard shooting in his spinning car with Hattie going "Oh shit!" in the seat next to him, while a secret villain lab explodes behind him in slow-mo? There are few scenes more Fast and Furious than that in the entire franchise.
    • Hobbs taking out Eteon troops climbing down a building by fucking dropping on that without a single wire or other safety equipment one by one and then finally dropping on top of Brixton and paving his face into the concrete ground? I actually said "Holy shit!" aloud in the theatre. GODDAMN!
    • Very short, but I almost said "Fuck yeah!" when the tiny and scared scientist rescues the entire trio by whipping out the flamethrower that Brixton used to threaten him, and set everything on fire before dying. You died like a badass, good sir.
    • And Hobbs, Shaw, and Hobbs' Samoan brothers hooking their cars together to halt Brixton's chopper and bringing it down by all four linked cars igniting their nitroboost in sequence? Jesus Christ, that was the exact kind of mindless insanity that I paid the ticket for!
    • Lastly, the duo bringing Brixton down by fighting as one. Now, whenever Brixton used his combat scan eyes, I thought about the cloaking screen in Mission Impossible: Ghost Protocol. I made a guess that the scan wouldn't work when there are more than one combatant on sight. The final battle exploited that...but in a more ludicrous sense than I expected. [lol]

All in all, not without its flaws, but it's an amazing mindless, pop-corn movie. It is a must for any Fast and Furious fans and I hope this spin-off title gets a sequel.

I'd give this movie three stars out of four. Definitely recommended.

Edited by dRoy on Aug 17th 2019 at 10:38:34 PM

Mother of god...You turned one of the hardest and best Champions into an absolute joke. - Zelenal
Larkmarn Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
Aug 23rd 2019 at 7:54:38 AM

It sounds like the whole supersoldier thing is just hard to really buy considering a normal guy was able to cave in a (cracked, admittedly) parking garage by stomping really hard.

... the baseline for humans in this universe is pretty damn high.


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