Leather Pants and Death Eaters

Most likely.

Yes, as those are all fan works. The same applies to game mods.

Edited by Fighteer on Mar 27th 2020 at 4:53:24 AM

The line between amateur work and official work generally revolves around being published through official channels to get payment. It is usually okay to, say, paint something based on MCU characters and then sell it as a one-time commissioned work (ie a mural in a local library), but it's not okay to make 1,000 prints without authorization from the copyright holder. Some creators are enthusiastic about amateur work based on what they made, but that doesn't make it official work in any form. Many companies have separate divisions handling the creation of Fan Films, which they are usually okay with so long as those involved don't use the crowdfunding for devious reasons, as one got in trouble because they were using the money to basically build their own studio.

"One-time library murals"... heh heh^link Snopes article talking about Disney forcing daycare centers in Florida to remove murals of their characters over copyright infringement concerns.

Can I revert Tharkun's changes to the trope descriptions?

My vote is yes, but it's probably best to wait for some more opinions.

I don't think so

Why can't I revert a total rewrite of the descriptions done by a single troper without any consensus or input from others?

I think it should be changed back, because those changes were done without a consensus being made.

Question: How about Misaimed Fandom (which can also be applied to hatedoms) be used for the source works and DILP and RTDH be for fanworks running with said Misaimed Fandom?

Thoughts on getting a crowner to decided if DILP/RTDH should be about fan works or fandoms doing such?

Edited by Ferot_Dreadnaught on Jun 25th 2020 at 12:13:30 PM

Do we need to start a TRS thread to settle these issues?

I think this should be limited to fan works, simply because if we focus on fandom trends we'll get people complaining that other fans dislike/like another character.

If it becomes about specific fanworks, then it shouldn't be YMMV, since it objectively happens in those works.

We'll have to create an objective standard for these tropes first.

True, but if it's YMMV it's heavily covered by other concepts and has no real meaning beyond "some fans don't like this character / some fans like this character". I explain better in other posts and don't really feel like reiterating my thoughts in detail again, so if you want my full argument read back a little.

Edited by WarJay77 on Jul 1st 2020 at 10:42:53 AM

I don't think they necessarily have to be done out of hatred or liking. It could simply done out of curiosity (i.e What If?), or because it's funny/a meme.

True, but yeah. I'm not going to get into detail; you've seen my arguments, you know my stance.

Regardless, if we want this to be non-YMMV, there needs to be an objective standard. For Ron the Death Eater, an easy standard could be to limit it to instances where a fanfic writer invents crimes a character would never commit in canon.

Per the Three-Day Rule, if nobody objects in three days, I'll revert the descriptions of Draco in Leather Pants and Ron the Death Eater to how they were before Tharkun unilaterally changed them.

Edited by rjd1922 on Jul 2nd 2020 at 10:39:40 AM

I actually like them though.

So? Descriptions can't be changed without discussion.

I'll bring it to the Development Drive then.

After consulting the Trope Description Improvement Drive, I reverted the descriptions of DILP and RTDE to mostly how they were before Tharkun rewrote them.

Because this has come up again while trying to police examples, I think we should actually try to solve this impasse. There seem to be two main options for what these tropes should be:

Option 1: DILP and RTDE refer to a fan works depicting a character more/less sympathetically than they are depicted in canon. They are objective tropes that go on the main pages of individual fan works.

Option 2: DILP and RTDE refer to fans interpreting a character more/less sympathetically than they are depicted in canon. This can be reflected in fan work. They are subjective tropes that go on the YMMV pages of the original work.

Is it time to just vote on which option we want (after starting a TRS thread) and proceed from there?

Yes, we need TRS for this. It's on the sandbox but we need wick checks and stuff.

Edited by WarJay77 on Aug 31st 2020 at 10:04:01 AM