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#176: Mar 27th 2020 at 1:48:11 PM

Most likely.

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#177: Mar 27th 2020 at 1:50:18 PM

Yes, as those are all fan works. The same applies to game mods.

Edited by Fighteer on Mar 27th 2020 at 4:53:24 AM

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KJMackley Since: Jan, 2001
#178: Mar 28th 2020 at 4:52:44 PM

The line between amateur work and official work generally revolves around being published through official channels to get payment. It is usually okay to, say, paint something based on MCU characters and then sell it as a one-time commissioned work (ie a mural in a local library), but it's not okay to make 1,000 prints without authorization from the copyright holder. Some creators are enthusiastic about amateur work based on what they made, but that doesn't make it official work in any form. Many companies have separate divisions handling the creation of Fan Films, which they are usually okay with so long as those involved don't use the crowdfunding for devious reasons, as one got in trouble because they were using the money to basically build their own studio.

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#179: Mar 28th 2020 at 6:49:43 PM

[up] "One-time library murals"... heh hehlink .

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#180: Apr 12th 2020 at 2:00:35 PM

Can I revert Tharkun's changes to the trope descriptions?

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#181: Apr 12th 2020 at 2:09:29 PM

My vote is yes, but it's probably best to wait for some more opinions.

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#182: Apr 12th 2020 at 2:42:33 PM

[up][up] I don't think so

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#183: May 8th 2020 at 11:02:01 PM

Why can't I revert a total rewrite of the descriptions done by a single troper without any consensus or input from others?

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Roseface Since: Oct, 2016
#184: May 9th 2020 at 5:46:13 PM

I think it should be changed back, because those changes were done without a consensus being made.

Ferot_Dreadnaught Since: Mar, 2015
#185: Jun 24th 2020 at 11:28:13 PM

Question: How about Misaimed Fandom (which can also be applied to hatedoms) be used for the source works and DILP and RTDH be for fanworks running with said Misaimed Fandom?

Thoughts on getting a crowner to decided if DILP/RTDH should be about fan works or fandoms doing such?

Edited by Ferot_Dreadnaught on Jun 25th 2020 at 12:13:30 PM

TheMountainKing Since: Jul, 2016
#186: Jul 1st 2020 at 12:47:45 PM

Do we need to start a TRS thread to settle these issues?

RustBeard Since: Sep, 2016
#187: Jul 1st 2020 at 7:05:21 PM

[up][up] I think this should be limited to fan works, simply because if we focus on fandom trends we'll get people complaining that other fans dislike/like another character.

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#188: Jul 1st 2020 at 7:29:00 PM

If it becomes about specific fanworks, then it shouldn't be YMMV, since it objectively happens in those works.

RustBeard Since: Sep, 2016
#189: Jul 1st 2020 at 7:40:09 PM

We'll have to create an objective standard for these tropes first.

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#190: Jul 1st 2020 at 7:41:11 PM

[up] True, but if it's YMMV it's heavily covered by other concepts and has no real meaning beyond "some fans don't like this character / some fans like this character". I explain better in other posts and don't really feel like reiterating my thoughts in detail again, so if you want my full argument read back a little.

Edited by WarJay77 on Jul 1st 2020 at 10:42:53 AM

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#191: Jul 1st 2020 at 7:48:28 PM

[up] I don't think they necessarily have to be done out of hatred or liking. It could simply done out of curiosity (i.e What If?), or because it's funny/a meme.

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#192: Jul 1st 2020 at 7:51:38 PM

[up] True, but yeah. I'm not going to get into detail; you've seen my arguments, you know my stance.

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#193: Jul 1st 2020 at 8:16:38 PM

Regardless, if we want this to be non-YMMV, there needs to be an objective standard. For Ron the Death Eater, an easy standard could be to limit it to instances where a fanfic writer invents crimes a character would never commit in canon.

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#194: Jul 2nd 2020 at 8:39:24 PM

Per the Three-Day Rule, if nobody objects in three days, I'll revert the descriptions of Draco in Leather Pants and Ron the Death Eater to how they were before Tharkun unilaterally changed them.

Edited by rjd1922 on Jul 2nd 2020 at 10:39:40 AM

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#195: Jul 2nd 2020 at 9:03:19 PM

[up] I actually like them though.

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#196: Jul 2nd 2020 at 9:10:07 PM

[up] So? Descriptions can't be changed without discussion.

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#197: Jul 2nd 2020 at 11:30:12 PM

I'll bring it to the Development Drive then.

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#198: Jul 13th 2020 at 11:58:42 AM

After consulting the Trope Description Improvement Drive, I reverted the descriptions of DILP and RTDE to mostly how they were before Tharkun rewrote them.

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TheMountainKing Since: Jul, 2016
#199: Aug 31st 2020 at 6:59:43 PM

Because this has come up again while trying to police examples, I think we should actually try to solve this impasse. There seem to be two main options for what these tropes should be:

Option 1: DILP and RTDE refer to a fan works depicting a character more/less sympathetically than they are depicted in canon. They are objective tropes that go on the main pages of individual fan works.

Option 2: DILP and RTDE refer to fans interpreting a character more/less sympathetically than they are depicted in canon. This can be reflected in fan work. They are subjective tropes that go on the YMMV pages of the original work.

Is it time to just vote on which option we want (after starting a TRS thread) and proceed from there?

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#200: Aug 31st 2020 at 7:03:44 PM

[up] Yes, we need TRS for this. It's on the sandbox but we need wick checks and stuff.

Edited by WarJay77 on Aug 31st 2020 at 10:04:01 AM

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