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Mickoonsley19 Since: Feb, 2018
#101: Jan 26th 2019 at 8:27:33 PM

What about the reverse? Should an actor page have indexing on all of their movies?

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#102: Jan 26th 2019 at 8:29:24 PM

[up] No, because we'd end up with a million cluttered indexes, but on work pages rather than creator pages.

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#103: Jan 26th 2019 at 9:08:56 PM

So it looks like the people in charge of TV Tropes have spoken and they say that the indexes should be allowed to stay. smile

This is an inaccurate understanding. It was declined for an ongoing conversation.

With that in mind, crowner away. If the crowner is called to cut, the cuts will be made.

Edited by nombretomado on Jan 26th 2019 at 9:19:50 AM

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#104: Jan 27th 2019 at 12:26:59 AM

As another contributor to the Franchise Actors pages, I think the best solution would be a Cast/ namespace. While I acknowledge that the pro-cutting people have some valid arguments, I think there are enough people who find the indexes useful that they should be allowed to stay.

Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#105: Jan 27th 2019 at 10:27:04 AM

I'm personally fond of those indices, but I understand the pro-cutting argument. A Cast/ namespace or page would be a good compromise.

jamespolk Since: Aug, 2012
#106: Jan 27th 2019 at 11:01:12 AM

Should an actor page have indexing on all of their movies?

No.

I think there are enough people who find the indexes useful that they should be allowed to stay.

I haven't really heard an explanation for what use any of these indexes are. Charles Dickens Media Actors. What's the use of that? What information is derived from it?

Richard E. Grant is on eleven different indexes. Apparently there's an index called A Series Of Unfortunate Events Actors.

Edited by jamespolk on Jan 27th 2019 at 11:05:36 AM

costanton11 Since: Mar, 2016
#107: Jan 27th 2019 at 12:28:41 PM

We should probably make a crowner at this point.

Mickoonsley19 Since: Feb, 2018
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#109: Jan 27th 2019 at 12:43:21 PM

I agree that making a crowner would be a good idea.

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#110: Jan 27th 2019 at 2:21:15 PM

[tup]crowner

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jamespolk Since: Aug, 2012
#111: Jan 27th 2019 at 3:01:56 PM

Three recommendations for crowner options:

  • Cut them all (vote for this one!)
  • Remove all index tags
  • Move to Just For Fun namespace, remove all index tags

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#112: Jan 27th 2019 at 3:03:41 PM

[up] There's also the "Move to a Cast/ namespace" idea

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crazysamaritan NaNo 4328 / 50,000 from Lupin III Since: Apr, 2010
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#113: Jan 27th 2019 at 5:35:51 PM

Also crazysamaritan, you seem to be more interested in picking and choosing to listen to certain things I am saying and harping on it until I give you an answer? That's not how it works.
I'm addressing more of your points in my posts then the reverse. If I think my points are being ignored, I will repeat them.
Am I expected to list every single thing they've ever done on their Creator page, red link or otherwise (and not just them, but other creators' work)?
Quoting myself from the first page:
I think every Creator page should be listing the works they've produced,

I'll ask again to bring up if an idle, barely updated work is superior to a red link? Isn't that an example of cluttering up the wiki?
You hadn't asked me that question before, but I have given clear responses already:
Why aren't you making pages for these works?? Why are you making a list of people instead of describing their roles??
UsefulNotes.Law And Order Actors is useless because it is redundant with Characters.Law And Order, which should include all of the actors already. That's where we want the information.
Creating Creator.Jamie Smith or Creator.Irene Kane would be creating an actor page. PLEASE make those pages, we want those pages.
we want all of their filmography. That includes making a Red Link if the work page doesn't exist yet.
list their contributions to media, create pages for their contributions to media, and explain the storytelling devices they used in each work of media.
In case you haven't noticed, I've been saying that There Is No Such Thing as Notability is a policy that promotes creating work pages even if there's only a couple of people that ever edit that work page. Red Link is a complimentary policy to encourage the creation of work/creator pages.
calling me a hypocrite,
Eh? I haven't called you a hypocrite. I called Larry a hypocrite for being supportive of the lists of "actors had been in this work" and denegrating the lists of "works this actor had been in", which results in pages like Claude Giraud.
Three recommendations for crowner options:
I think this list is more reflective of discussion:

Edited by crazysamaritan on Jan 27th 2019 at 8:38:19 AM

Link to TRS threads in project mode here.
nirao01 Since: Jan, 2001
#114: Jan 27th 2019 at 8:02:09 PM

I just logged in. As someone who created and contributed to the pages there, I want it to stay. However, I do personally think that the page is cluttered AF, and sorry to be blunt, but a number of them do not fit the franchise aspect.

I'm [tup] with the "trimming" and moving to a different namespace ideas.

costanton11 Since: Mar, 2016
#115: Jan 29th 2019 at 8:44:06 AM

Have we decided on a crowner?

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#116: Jan 29th 2019 at 8:53:19 AM

I think the current crowner options are good if we have the understanding that if the "Cut" option is sustained all content on the Franchise actors pages will be moved to Characters, Creator, or Trivia pages as appropriate before the pages are cut.

"It's just a show; I should really just relax"
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#117: Jan 29th 2019 at 10:59:15 AM

[up] So it would be "Cut indexes, move information elsewhere"

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jamespolk Since: Aug, 2012
#118: Jan 29th 2019 at 1:32:50 PM

that if the "Cut" option is sustained all content on the Franchise actors pages will be moved to Characters, Creator, or Trivia pages as appropriate before the pages are cut.

That wasn't my understanding. I thought cut meant cut, as in deleting all of those pages from the wiki.

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#119: Jan 29th 2019 at 6:01:35 PM

[up] Deleting the index pages, sure, but the information can still have a place somewhere which is what we've been discussing for a bit now. The indexes aren't a great idea but the information in them can be useful.

Maybe there should be two options: Cut completely and Cut while moving the information elsewhere.

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LarryMullen Since: May, 2015
#120: Jan 29th 2019 at 7:13:39 PM

Can leave them as is be an option too? Two choices isn't a lot, to be honest.

jamespolk Since: Aug, 2012
#121: Jan 29th 2019 at 7:18:02 PM

[up][up]

  • Cut.
  • Remove index tags.
  • Move to a different namespace, remove index tags.

WarJay77 It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000) from My Writing Cave (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
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#122: Jan 29th 2019 at 7:27:19 PM

[up][up] Of course.

I believe the options are:

  • Cut entirely
  • Cut, move information
  • Keep indexes
  • Keep and trim the indexes (maybe?)
  • Move to a new "Cast" namespace
  • Move to Just For Fun
  • Remove Index Tags

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costanton11 Since: Mar, 2016
#123: Jan 29th 2019 at 7:35:42 PM

[up][up][up]I believe leaving something as-is is a default option of crowners if none of the options gain enough support.

Edited by costanton11 on Jan 29th 2019 at 9:35:55 AM

jamespolk Since: Aug, 2012
#124: Jan 30th 2019 at 1:50:52 PM

I said to myself, "Self, I bet David Warner is in a lot of indexes! He's been a very busy character actor!"

David Warner is in seventeen role-based indexes. Including Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles Actors, and Tales From The Crypt Actors, and Shakespearian Actors, which is in the Main namespace!

We've talked about this for quite a bit and I still haven't really heard any explication of what use these indexes are to anyone.

Anyway, can we start a crowner? Can I start one or does a mod need to do that?

LarryMullen Since: May, 2015
#125: Jan 30th 2019 at 4:28:45 PM

We've talked about this for quite a bit and I still haven't really heard any explication of what use these indexes are to anyone.

They're of use to anyone who may not be aware of how extensive the franchises are and/or how many well-known (and not-so-well-known) actors have appeared in them. That's probably not good enough for you but it's good enough for me and I'd bet it's good enough for the average troper.

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30th Jan '19 10:52:04 PM

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