The CG used in Incredibles 2 is typical. Nothing’s wrong with it, but it’s all safe & normal.
Spider-Verse has a distinct style & actually advanced what CG can do & look like beyond the rather clean & sterile look that dominates the CG landscape.
Visually Spider-Verse is the better film.
Edited by slimcoder on Jan 31st 2019 at 9:48:33 AM
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."Spider-Verse definitely deserves the award. But its recent release and superhero genre give it an uphill battle for Academy consideration.
Incredibles 2 is mediocre but mediocre Pixar entries have won before. It too might be stymied by being a superhero film.
Isle of Dogs was terrible
, but the unorthodox animation and Wes Anderson being an Academy favorite might get it the spot. If anything, the appropriative Orientalism is more likely to help it than harm it.
Edited by Tuckerscreator on Jan 31st 2019 at 1:17:11 AM
I don't really understand how or why Spider-Verse wouldn't win best animated film—in addition to clearly being the best movie with the best animation, it received the most critical acclaim and (as previously mentioned) is the most significant. I know Black Panther isn't the type of movie that usually shows at the Oscars and that it probably won't win anything, but honestly it was a solid movie and I don't object to the Oscars loosening up on what types of films it's even willing to consider nominating.
There is no war in Ba Sing Se.Doesn't Spider verse have some hand drawn animation in it too?
Like creepy stories? Check out my book!Basically, the Incredibles world is set up that only heroes have superpowers, while all the villains are ordinary humans using gadgets. The underlying implication seems to be that being born with power ensures your heroism, while someone who builds themselves up through their own inventions can never reach the level of “hero”.note It stands out more considering that three of Brad Bird’s preceding films have the central theme of “some people are just born more gifted than others”.
I recall Jenny Nicholson pointing out that undertone in how the villain of I2, portrayed as self-made and having to fight uphill societally to get near victory, is foiled by a baby with no control over its actions who just happens to be born better. It’s all just subtext, but after 4 films Bird could stand to ease on the soapbox.
Edited by Tuckerscreator on Feb 1st 2019 at 3:39:30 AM
Eh, I still think that's stretching it a bit. I mean, you say Edna Mode doesn't count because she's not a hero, but she (and the secret agent guy) are part of hero support. And they have no powers, but obviously haven't turned evil.
The problem is, I think, that we see way more heroes than we do villains. We have dozens of examples of superheroes in the two films, but only three villains (Syndrome, Underminder, and Screenslaver) and, due to the nature of the story, two of them had to have no powers. But it wasn't the "having no powers" that made them evil: Syndrome was turned evil because of his extreme jealousy, while Screenslaver was evil because of her belief that society shouldn't depend on superheroes for anything (with a mixture of blaming superheroes for her the deaths of her parents). (Underminer, on the other hand, was just a straight up bank robber.)
Edited by alliterator on Feb 1st 2019 at 8:18:56 AM

I'll provide a differing opinion: I preferred Incredibles 2 to Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse. Not because I didn't like the latter (I definitely did), but because I liked the former even more.
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