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TompaDompa from Sweden Since: Jan, 2012
#76: Jan 31st 2019 at 9:16:17 AM

I'll provide a differing opinion: I preferred Incredibles 2 to Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse. Not because I didn't like the latter (I definitely did), but because I liked the former even more.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#77: Jan 31st 2019 at 9:43:53 AM

It's not really about liking though. I always feel that the academy should above all honour movies which influence the industry. And Into the Spiderverse will give CGI animation a huge push. Incredibles 2 won't.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#78: Jan 31st 2019 at 9:48:09 AM

The CG used in Incredibles 2 is typical. Nothing’s wrong with it, but it’s all safe & normal.

Spider-Verse has a distinct style & actually advanced what CG can do & look like beyond the rather clean & sterile look that dominates the CG landscape.

Visually Spider-Verse is the better film.

Edited by slimcoder on Jan 31st 2019 at 9:48:33 AM

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Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#79: Jan 31st 2019 at 1:14:55 PM

Spider-Verse definitely deserves the award. But its recent release and superhero genre give it an uphill battle for Academy consideration.

Incredibles 2 is mediocre but mediocre Pixar entries have won before. It too might be stymied by being a superhero film.

Isle of Dogs was terrible, but the unorthodox animation and Wes Anderson being an Academy favorite might get it the spot. If anything, the appropriative Orientalism is more likely to help it than harm it. tongue

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Jan 31st 2019 at 1:17:11 AM

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#80: Jan 31st 2019 at 1:16:01 PM

What made Incredibles 2 mediocre?

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Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#81: Jan 31st 2019 at 1:19:20 PM

It’s basically the plot of the first film repeated. At the third act the villain raises some really interesting ideas about the role of superheroes to society, but they’re never engaged with so ultimately the film doesn’t really explore much new territory.

jamespolk Since: Aug, 2012
#82: Jan 31st 2019 at 1:20:37 PM

I felt Incredibles 2 was mediocre because the big twist was so predictable. There are only two possible guesses for who the villain is, after all.

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#83: Jan 31st 2019 at 1:25:03 PM

That too. And since the two suspects serve basically the same role in the story, either one of them turning out to be evil doesn’t alter the direction significantly.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#84: Jan 31st 2019 at 1:27:52 PM

I enjoyed it, because even though the twist was obvious, it was still well done.

Also, I love Elastigirl, obvs.

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#85: Jan 31st 2019 at 1:28:26 PM

I actually thought it was better than the first.

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#86: Jan 31st 2019 at 1:30:21 PM

I don't really understand how or why Spider-Verse wouldn't win best animated film—in addition to clearly being the best movie with the best animation, it received the most critical acclaim and (as previously mentioned) is the most significant. I know Black Panther isn't the type of movie that usually shows at the Oscars and that it probably won't win anything, but honestly it was a solid movie and I don't object to the Oscars loosening up on what types of films it's even willing to consider nominating.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#87: Jan 31st 2019 at 2:06:39 PM

[up]x8 Okay I can’t tell if that’s supposed to be serious or funny.

Could be both.

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jamespolk Since: Aug, 2012
#88: Jan 31st 2019 at 2:44:52 PM

For people who like Oscar-nominated documentaries and not having to pay for stuff, "Hale County This Morning This Evening" is running on PBS on Feb. 11.

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#89: Jan 31st 2019 at 5:18:36 PM

Doesn't Spider verse have some hand drawn animation in it too?

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#90: Jan 31st 2019 at 6:01:08 PM

[up] Traditional yes, kind of, at least it looks that way, but certainly not hand-drawn. I think the last movie which was actually hand-drawn was Finding Vincent.

wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
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#91: Jan 31st 2019 at 6:16:18 PM

They spent a year doing hand drawing on top of the computer animated frames, if I remember correctly.

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#92: Jan 31st 2019 at 7:38:04 PM

Wow that's pretty impressive.

thatindiantroper Since: Feb, 2015
#93: Jan 31st 2019 at 10:01:26 PM

"At the third act the villain raises some really interesting ideas about the role of superheroes to society, but they’re never engaged with so ultimately the film doesn’t really explore much new territory."

So, Civil War then.

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#94: Jan 31st 2019 at 10:14:45 PM

Ehh, I disagree. Zemo's ideological point is addressed, discredited by his hypocrisy and overcome by his good counterpart in T'challa. Screenslaver not so much, and that's without getting into the uneasy eugenics undertones in the film.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#95: Jan 31st 2019 at 10:27:43 PM

that's without getting into the uneasy eugenics undertones in the film.
Eh, what now? I know that there's some weird "If you have powers, you are obligated to use them" moralizing within the film, but I don't see any "eugenics undertones."

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#96: Jan 31st 2019 at 11:43:13 PM

Basically, the Incredibles world is set up that only heroes have superpowers, while all the villains are ordinary humans using gadgets. The underlying implication seems to be that being born with power ensures your heroism, while someone who builds themselves up through their own inventions can never reach the level of “hero”.note  It stands out more considering that three of Brad Bird’s preceding films have the central theme of “some people are just born more gifted than others”.

I recall Jenny Nicholson pointing out that undertone in how the villain of I2, portrayed as self-made and having to fight uphill societally to get near victory, is foiled by a baby with no control over its actions who just happens to be born better. It’s all just subtext, but after 4 films Bird could stand to ease on the soapbox. tongue

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Feb 1st 2019 at 3:39:30 AM

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#97: Feb 1st 2019 at 12:11:48 AM

Eh, I still think that's stretching it a bit. I mean, you say Edna Mode doesn't count because she's not a hero, but she (and the secret agent guy) are part of hero support. And they have no powers, but obviously haven't turned evil.

The problem is, I think, that we see way more heroes than we do villains. We have dozens of examples of superheroes in the two films, but only three villains (Syndrome, Underminder, and Screenslaver) and, due to the nature of the story, two of them had to have no powers. But it wasn't the "having no powers" that made them evil: Syndrome was turned evil because of his extreme jealousy, while Screenslaver was evil because of her belief that society shouldn't depend on superheroes for anything (with a mixture of blaming superheroes for her the deaths of her parents). (Underminer, on the other hand, was just a straight up bank robber.)

Edited by alliterator on Feb 1st 2019 at 8:18:56 AM

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#98: Feb 1st 2019 at 3:14:59 AM

Guys, tone it down a little bit? This isn't the discussion for those movies and The Incredibles 2 hasn't been out for that long. So maybe be a little bit more careful with spoilers.

jamespolk Since: Aug, 2012
#99: Feb 1st 2019 at 7:35:11 AM

[up]This is a discussion forum.

wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
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#100: Feb 1st 2019 at 7:46:18 AM

[up][up]Uh, Incredibles 2 came out in June. So... seven months ago.


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