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Revolutionary_Jack Since: Sep, 2018
#451: Feb 25th 2019 at 1:17:58 PM

I did think Sam Elliott should have won for ASIB which I saw and its a legitimately good movie, maybe not as good as the Judy Garland movie (that's considered the best ASIB) but that movie got chopped up by producers and had to be reconstituted with stills for some scenes, whereas the new one doesn't have the usual problems. Mahershala Ali is a good actor but he won an Oscar before and this could be the last time Sam Elliot has a chance for one of this. Bradley Cooper is a good actor but his performance in American Sniper is better, and ASIB is more him as director. And in any case, the movie works because of Lady Gaga and she got an Oscar for the song.

You know Judy Garland not winning for ASIB was considered the great Award Snub of its day. She lost to Grace Kelly going plain for a movie. Groucho Marx who was presenting or hosting told Judy, "That's the biggest robbery since Brinks", apparently that was a bank that got jacked. Old timey references, amirite?

So the Oscars more or less have always been what they are now. The only time things were a little different was The '70s.

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#452: Feb 25th 2019 at 3:30:57 PM

It also just occurred to me that there were a lot of teenage actresses who had the critics abuzz last year - Milly Shapiro, Elsie Fisher, etc. And all of them were completely overlooked.

jamespolk Since: Aug, 2012
#453: Feb 25th 2019 at 5:15:48 PM

"That's the biggest robbery since Brinks", apparently that was a bank that got jacked. Old timey references, amirite?

This one

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Brink%27s_Robbery

Although Brink's the armored cash truck service is still in business today.

Anyway, if y'all want to read someone getting hugely pissed over something different, read this guy losing his shit over Best Live Action Short Film.

https://slate.com/culture/2019/02/oscar-winning-short-film-skin-review.html

Seemed like a weak field for the live action shorts this year. Four of five dealt with endangered children.

Revolutionary_Jack Since: Sep, 2018
#454: Feb 25th 2019 at 5:35:30 PM

Live-action shorts are not respected. Even if a lot of major talent got their start that way (https://mic.com/articles/92951/16-short-films-that-launched-the-careers-of-famous-directors#.4icNRxme4). Bradley Cooper also said that his ASIB was inspired by a short film Scorsese made, Life Lessons for New York Stories.

wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
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#455: Feb 25th 2019 at 5:39:18 PM

[up][up] Holy crap, what is WRONG with whoever wrote that short?!?!? Jesus Christ, what the f***.

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#456: Feb 25th 2019 at 6:07:36 PM

...from the acceptance speech, I thought Skin was going to be about antisemitism and Holocaust survivors, but good lord. Out of all the short films, Marguerite sounds like the only one I'd actually have anything close to a good time watching, and even that one takes place in hospice, which...says a lot about how cheery the rest of the competition are. At least the one with kids torturing an infant and then throwing it to be cut in two on train tracks didn't win.

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#457: Feb 25th 2019 at 6:21:42 PM

...dear god, I read that description and...does the writer/director know that black people aren't literally black? Like, tattooing someone all over isn't going to make them look African. It's going to make then look like the color black, which no black person looks like.

wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
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#458: Feb 25th 2019 at 6:23:40 PM

Also, the framing makes the whole story about the Neo-Nazi, and we’re supposed to find his eventual fate tragic and sympathetic?!?!

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#459: Feb 25th 2019 at 8:29:51 PM

Wait, that piece of shit won? Goddammit.

The legend has returned.
CrimsonZephyr Would that it were so simple. from Massachusetts Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
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#460: Feb 25th 2019 at 8:52:30 PM

[up]Tagline for this year's Oscars in general.

Edited by CrimsonZephyr on Feb 25th 2019 at 11:52:45 AM

"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."
BigMadDraco Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#461: Feb 26th 2019 at 4:26:20 AM

So better, worse, or the same as when they gave Crash Best Picture?

Edited by BigMadDraco on Feb 26th 2019 at 4:26:30 AM

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#462: Feb 26th 2019 at 4:42:23 AM

I'd say this is worse because Crash didn't butcher a true story and didn't commit character assassination on its black lead to make the white one look better.

Revolutionary_Jack Since: Sep, 2018
#463: Feb 26th 2019 at 4:59:14 AM

Its more interesting with Green Book because Crash or The King's Speech or Shakespeare in Love at least had clear alternates — Brokeback Mountain and The Social Network, Saving Private Ryan. With this one, there's a divide between who feels more stiffed. Roma or Black Panther or Blackk Klansman. In terms of how the night led up to it, Bohemian Rhapsody should have won but I think there's a case to be made that if it won, it would provoke similar responses.

So I think you can say there's a split in votes and in the end the most consensus pick was Green Book.

Galadriel Since: Feb, 2015
#464: Feb 26th 2019 at 5:05:52 AM

The Social Network was nothing particularly great, and The King’s Speech was at least as good as it. That wasn’t really a comparable case to the other ones you’re mentioning.

Revolutionary_Jack Since: Sep, 2018
#465: Feb 26th 2019 at 5:12:48 AM

A good number of people actually do think it was worthy and more deserving and it was nominated and a contender. That's what I am going by.

Not everyone liked Brokeback Mountain either, even among the LGBT community.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#466: Feb 26th 2019 at 5:19:26 AM

I like The King's Speech better than Social Network. But then, I despise Social Network. I have no idea what people see in that movie.

Pseudopartition Screaming Into The Void from The Cretaeceous Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
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#467: Feb 26th 2019 at 6:40:56 AM

Eyyy I'm not the only one who hates The Social Network, nice.

Also, I feel like the only people who still like Crash are from my town (because Paul Haggis used to live here - there's like a six foot poster of him receiving his Oscar in the back storage room of my old high school), maybe Green Book will end up the same way?

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#468: Feb 26th 2019 at 6:43:32 AM

> I have no idea what people see in that movie.

Well a lot of people hate Facebook's founder for being a sleezball so maybe that why like the movie

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#469: Feb 26th 2019 at 6:46:54 AM

Nah, not even him getting told off is satisfying, because it trivializes what he did. And is still doing.

I doubt that the movie will age well.

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#470: Feb 26th 2019 at 6:54:17 AM

In retrospect The Social Network was focused far too much on “losing real friendships” aspect and not the mass acquisition of millions’s personal information that’s turned FB into a national security nightmare now.

I half expect either the director or the screenwriter is biding their time for a sequel.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Feb 26th 2019 at 6:55:15 AM

Ultimatum Disasturbator from The Wiggle Room (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#471: Feb 26th 2019 at 7:01:06 AM

In the sequel he's been upgraded to a super villain complete with mustache twirling

His acts of super villainy include selling the identities of super heroes to other super villains

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Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#472: Feb 26th 2019 at 7:01:06 AM

To be fair, I think Fincher simply wasn't aware of that. The film was produced before that controversy really made it big.

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Revolutionary_Jack Since: Sep, 2018
#473: Feb 26th 2019 at 7:04:01 AM

The Social Network came out in 2010, so it's now a decade old. So enough time has passed to decide if it has dated or stood the test. The consensus answer is that it did. The BBC ranked it 27 on 100 Best Films of the 21st Century (http://www.bbc.com/culture/story/20160819-the-21st-centurys-100-greatest-films). Another Fincher movie, Zodiac finished higher at #12 (I generally do think Zodiac is better, and Fincher himself considers it his best, so that's fair). I find the idea that The Social Network didn't do enough against Zuck questionable, since most of his weird controversial stuff happened in the last four years, well after the film came out. At the time the story was that the movie was too critical of Zuck and Zuckerberg himself didn't like it. And almost every actor in The Social Network have gone on to become notable character actors or leads — Eisenberg, Garfield, Armie Hammer, Rooney Mara in her small role, Justin Timberlake who proved he could act.

In any case, my point was that 2019's Oscar Ceremony is interesting because usually it's a debate of one film or the other. The case is a movie deserved to win, the other movie should have won. In 2019, it's not just Green Book vs. Black Panther, it's also Green Book vs. Black Klansman, and also Green Book vs. Roma. To a lesser extent, Green Book vs. Bohemian Rhapsody.

So it's a much more open field in terms of who got stiffed. That was my point. If we want to discuss Social Network in depth, we can do that in its own page.

Revolutionary_Jack Since: Sep, 2018
#474: Feb 26th 2019 at 7:05:48 AM

FWIW, here's David Fincher's opinion on The Social Network:

Fincher: "It’s a little glib to be a film. Let’s hope we strove to get at something interesting, but Social Network is not earth-shattering. Zodiac was about murders that changed America. After the Zodiac killings in California, the Summer of Love was over...No one died during the creation of Facebook. By my estimation, the person who made out the worst in the creation of Facebook still made more than 30 million dollars...And besides, on Social Network, I didn’t really agree with the critics’ praise. It interested me that Social Network was about friendships that dissolved through this thing that promised friendships, but I didn’t think we were ripping the lid off anything. The movie is true to a time and a kind of person, but I was never trying to turn a mirror on a generation."

Pseudopartition Screaming Into The Void from The Cretaeceous Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
Screaming Into The Void
#475: Feb 26th 2019 at 7:08:13 AM

Actual quote from the screenwriter (Aaron Sorkin): "I don't want my fidelity to be to the truth; I want it to be to storytelling. What is the big deal about accuracy purely for accuracy's sake, and can we not have the true be the enemy of the good?"

This is why I don't usually care for 'based on a true story' type films. If you're going to portray something that actually happened, especially if the people involved/their family members are still alive, either try for something approximating the truth or write an original story that doesn't use the names and likenesses of real people. It just ends up feeling exploitative and manipulative.

Edited by Pseudopartition on Feb 26th 2019 at 9:09:20 AM


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