The main concern of a Hate Sink is whether the narrative treats the character as someone intended to be despised.
The character in question must actually display detestable qualities, and be hated by other characters at least, or treated by the narrative like someone you are supposed to hate. The author's declared intent cements an example, but is not needed if the narrative itself treats the character as someone who is supposed to be hated.
A Hate Sink may have charismatic traits, a troubled past, or complexity, but in order for this trope to be in effect, such traits must be de-emphasized by the narrative in favour of their detestable traits.
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Edited by gjjones on Dec 3rd 2020 at 7:43:25 AM
- Trilogy of Terror: Chad Morgan is a college student introduced degrading his female co-eds as "dogs.' After meeting his English professor Julie Eldridge, Chad constantly asks her out unril she agrees to go on a date with him. During said date, he drugs her in order to take compromising photographs and blackmail her into a relationship. Right before [[spoiler:Julie kills him[], Chad flat-out admits that what she wants means nothing to him.
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Fixed the spoiler marking.
Oh, and
to the Virgin Julie vs the Chad Morgan
. (Seriously, why do guys named Chad have a reputation for being douches?)
So, when are any of the writeups gonna be posted? They have been there a while.
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Try searching first.
They might need different write ups for the timelines they count in.
Here's the timeline list:
- .Star Fox 1 & 2.(Though they might not count here)
- .Star Fox 64, Adventures, Assault, Command(?)
- .Star Fox Zero and Guard
Also we might need to take at least Starlink: The Battle for Atlas into account.
Edited by MasterJoseph on Oct 24th 2019 at 10:47:26 AM
IPP Wick Check created.Found this on Characters.American Psycho:
- Hate Sink: And how! Patrick was made to be as disgusting, despicable and as hateable as imaginable. There is absolutely nothing sympathetic or likable about Patrick Bateman in the slightest, disregarding the Laughably Evil factor.
I intend to cover the film soon, but the book's up for grabs.
Good evening... has Rikurou Aisaka from Toradora ever been submitted?
Sorry, I did use the search, but I wasn't sure if I had gotten everything right. Just wanted to be 200% sure.
Anyway, let's try this...
- What is the work?
The work in question is Toradora, a light novel/manga/anime about the budding friendship, and later romance, between two high school students, Ryuuji Takasu and Taiga Aisaka, and their changing relationship, with regards to both each other and the other students in their school.
-Who is Rikurou Aisaka, and what does he do?
Rikurou Aisaka is Taiga's selfish, neglectful father. Before the series began, we learn that he sent Taiga away to live on her own because she couldn't get along with her father's new lover. It's made clear that a lot of Taiga's issues have been caused by the treatment she received from her family. Halfway through the anime, Rikurou suddenly decides to come back in his daughter's life after his lover dumped him. Taiga wants nothing to do with him, but Ryuuji, projecting his own daddy issues on Taiga's situation, tries to force her to meet him - even after Rikurou has emptied Taiga's bank account in a petty attempt at blackmail.
After meeting Rikurou, Ryuuji is fooled into thinking his regret is sincere, and for a while, it actually seems like Rikurou genuinely wants to mend bridges with his daughter and start a new life with her. He even goes on to say that he will be there to watch Taiga at the school festival. However, his actions to supposedly earn Taiga's forgiveness end up being hollow and only a matter of appearences. Just a few moments before Taiga's performance, Ryuuji receives a message on his cellphone from Rikurou, who shamelessly tells him that he's got business to do, that he won't be able to come, and that he's not interested in mending his relationship with his daughter after all. He even has the unmitigated gall to send this message not even to his own daughter, but to a kid he had only met a few days earlier at most, telling HIM to tell her THAT in his stead.
Following that, Taiga completely gives up on her father, and Ryuuji feels like an idiot for not seeing Rikurou's true colors before.
-What makes him personally despicable?
His selfishness, his lack of care for his daughter and how he's willing to abandon her again as soon as something more convenient for him comes along.
-Evil Is Cool traits? Complexity? Freudian Excuse?
None whatsoever. He's a petty, shallow, pathetic little man who only cares about his own convenience. This view of him holds in-universe too: Taiga's best friend Minori has nothing nice to say about him, and no one except for Ryuuji trusts him to be able to change. And after he shows his true colors, even Ryuuji loses all hope in the guy.
-Verdict?
I am all for Rikurou being considered an Hate Sink. In a show filled with sympathetic and well-developed characters, he's just portrayed as an unlikeable douchebag - perhaps the only unlikeable douchebag in the entire series.
What do you think?
This was brought up months before, but apparently went unaddressed, so I'm bringing it up now, regarding Zola's entry for Cross Ange, which isn't on the work's page.
- Zola Axberg is one of the captains for the First Allies but turns out to be a horrible Serial Rapist of the highest order. She first appears molesting Hilda by groping her, commenting that Ange will be her prey. Later in the episode, she attempts to rape Ange, slapping out her eyeball. Later in the story, several characters state that they were pretending to be in love with her so they can escape Arzenal. When one of the DRAGONs eats her, no one mourns for her. Only in Super Robot Wars V that Zola averts this by simply removing her Serial Rapist traits and made the other Arzenal crews more justified in being angry at Ange for accidentally caused her death.
This entry gets a couple things wrong. For one, Ange slaps out her (mechanical) eyeball, not the other way around. Also, Hilda's the only person who states she was pretending to love Zola to escape Arzenal. And finally, when it states that no one mourns her death, that's just blatantly not true. Hilda, Chris and Rosalie are shown grieving and hold a grudge against Ange for her role in Zola's death, even if it's dubious whether Hilda truly cared given her later comments, and Jasmine is shown lamenting how Zola has left them and listing all her good qualities.
For whether she counts though....I dunno. She's still a rapist and general Jerkass overall, though she might be somewhat overshadowered in that regard by Julio and Embryo. But regardless, the entry should be changed given all the misinformation.
Edited by Clown-Face on Oct 25th 2019 at 9:34:16 AM
Why so serious?
An entry from earlier days of this thread. Perhaps if you feel that she doesn't count, we can do a vote on it.
Now that you brought that up, I'm inclined to vote
for her at this moment. The author's intent seems confusing, too confusing to be qualified as a Hate Sink unless you can argue a Played With example with Word of God to back it up.
Anyways, I'm planning on adding the drafts to the main page if I have time for the weekend. If you have any last minute changes, please do so soon. Oh, and while you're at it, ensure everything is grammatically corrected. Would save me time to run them all through the Grammarly program.
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Honestly, I am pretty sure Zola is not meant to be hated, but is meant to be sympathetic. So the whole entry should be cut. In the first place, literally no female character in the series is meant to be truly villainous or unlikeable, unlike Julio and Embryo. Zola may be a disgusting Serial Rapist, but the author still tries to represent her as a good leader- and her assaults are played for fanservice, anyway. So she falls under Unintentionally Unsympathetic and/or Designated Hero, as her unlike-ability is not the result of authorial intent but profoundly bad writing.
So yeah,
Zola. (Yeah, in case you could not tell, I really do not like Cross Ange.)
On another note, since Mizumi has enough votes, I am posting his writeup soon.
By the way, I asked when will the drafts be posted, and that question was not answered. Can someone please tell me? Feels like the writeup has been there a while.
Edited by MasterN on Oct 26th 2019 at 11:40:44 AM
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That is four votes, so I am removing it and leaving an edit reason explaining the removal.
Also made some grammatical improvements to the other Cross Ange writeups and posted them on both the respective pages and the drafts page, just in case.
Edited by MasterN on Oct 26th 2019 at 12:26:53 PM
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for Rikoru.
I have a concern about the Cross Ange entry. While Julio and Embryo are listed as the Big Bads of the series, the former's listed as a Big Bad Wannabe and Embryo is the actual Big Bad. Should we change the drafts to make it look something like this or leave it as is? I'm putting the example in a folder so it won't clutter up my post.
- Prince Julio Asuka Misurugi was always jealous of his sister, the protagonist Angelise, who is favored over him by his parents and the people. In response, he outs her as a norma, getting her shunned by society, on the day of her sixteenth birthday and baptism ritual, resulting in her being stripped of all rights and personhood and being sent to Arzenal where she is sent to fight DRAGONs in hopes of having her killed off, just so he can take over as Emperor. When he learns she hasn't died yet, he manipulates Sylvia into hating her and lures her out so he can publicly execute her himself, and left their father to be executed by the higher-ups in the meantime. When Ange's execution fails and she escapes, he leads a purge of the Norma in order to get rid of her once and for all. When Ange finally corners him from the Vilkiss, he breaks down and tries bargaining with Ange, who is so infuriated that she goes back on a deal not to kill him after he calls off the massacre, only for his boss Embryo to off him instead. In the Super Robot Wars games, he's always portrayed as a pathetic, uncharismatic leader that drove the Misurugi Empire to the ground and didn't win any favors from even other villainous forces from other series. A moronic and hateful leader of an already despicable empire, Julio serves as the living distillation of everything wrong with the Mana people.
- Embryo, the real Big Bad, ultimately subverts what coolness he showed in his introduction when he's revealed as an Omnicidal Maniac who wants to kill everything that has no use for him and has done practically every crime in the book. He casually discards his allies and uses them as decoys, and mind-rapes and tortures them. He is also more bigoted than Julio himself, as he believes the Ancient Humans to be a disease to be wiped out. He takes pleasure in trying to force Ange to love him through rape and wiping off Alektra's forces while groping her mind and body, all because he didn't like the love she had for him. He is also disliked by just about every character in the show excluding several followers such as Julio, and any of the girls that do like him end up repenting after realizing how bad he is. A repulsive god just bad as his people, Embryo is ultimately even more pathetic than Julio was.
Is It Wrong To Try To Pick Up Girls In A Dungeon brings us these two "shining examples" from the Ishtar familia.
First is the goddess Ishtar herself. Her despicable acts include forcing her familia into prostitution, even filling her ranks by buying slaves, such as Haruhime. In addition, she forcibly expands her ranks by having her existing members kidnap people off the street in the pleasure quarters, and in Orario's dungeon. She also forcefully gets male "clients" this way, even shown raping Hermes on-screen, after she hired him to deliver her a killing stone, which brings us to her next despicable act. She not only uses slave labor to fill her ranks of prostitutes, she uses them in Human Sacrifice rituals that will destroy their very souls, for a quick power-up to go after her main rival, Freya, against whom she's insanely envious, for the latter's superior beauty and popularity. To enforce compliance, she has her main enforcer, Prhyne Jamil, beat her familia members half-to-death and then dragged before her so she can rape them until they lose all agency to say "no." She honestly states that she sees no problem whatsoever with rape, in any direction, and chides Hestia with disdain for not partaking in the practice, by virtue of being a virgin goddess, and presumes all the other gods are the same way. She also turns a blind eye to Phryne, who tortures men into broken, bloody dolls before she gets bored and throws them out, leaving them permanently impotent, purely to fuel her delusion that she's the most woman alive. Lastly, when she finally provokes Freya to retaliate, by kidnapping Bell Cranel, and either raping him herself, or letting Phryne do it, she abandons her familia while trying to escape. Her "return to Heaven" is universally celebrated, and all of Orario sighs in relief at learning she can never, ever return.
Phryne Jamil is not only physically repulsive, with the appearance of a giant, two legged, two armed toad, having deluded herself into thinking she's the most beautiful woman to ever live, even exceeding both goddesses of beauty, Ishtar and Freya, but her actions are morally reprehensible. She happily beats her fellow familia members half-to-death whenever Ishtar gives the word, before dragging them to Ishtar for rape, takes any man she finds particularly "tasty" and drags him to her personal "love nest" dungeon where she proceeds to dope him up with aphrodisiacs and sheer terror as she rapes and tortures him into a broken, bloody mess, then throws him out, leaving him permanently impotent, and then loudly proclaiming that he's so love-struck that no other woman can satisfy him. She celebrates the opportunity to kill Haruhime and permanently destroy the latter's soul, due to the fact that she considers the latter "ugly" for the crime of being a virgin. She is so loathed, even her own familia can't stand her, and when Ottar came upon her, and she boasted of being more beautiful than Freya, Freya's knights beat her to death, by squashing her like the toad she is, which is widely celebrated.
Any mitigating factors? Ishtar has a bit of Evil Is Sexy due to her stripperific clothing, but that is lost when one realizes that when she takes off what little clothes she has, she's doing so to both mentally and physically rape people. Phryne has no mitigating factors, at all.
Verdict: Their death is well deserved, and the series is better off after they're gone.
Edited by Overlord_2018 on Oct 27th 2019 at 6:33:56 AM
Easy yes there.
J’m’arrête pas tant qu’j’vois pas des lignes sur les moniteurs (Not stoppin 'til I see Flatlines)Here's a two-parter that I've put off for far too long.
What is the work?
Halfway to The Grave is the first installment in the Night Huntress series of novels.
Cat thinks all vampires are evil, meets Bones, who was looking for info on a Human Trafficking network, and Cat had killed his leads. Together, they uncover a conspiracy which forces women to be prostitutes and human cattle. Behind these atrocities are the Master Vampire Hennessey, and Ohio Governor Ethan Oliver.
Who is Hennessey, and what has he done?
Hennessey puts on an act of being a gentleman, but in reality, runs a vicious human trafficking network which keeps women, especially the impoverished, as livestock and brood mares, subjecting anyone who would betray him to the cruelest of fates. Hennessey regularly allows his clientele to sexually abuse the women under his control, as well as feed on their blood. Identifying Cat as his attempted murderer, Hennessey has her grandparents killed, then takes her mother hostage to trap her.
What makes him personally despicable?
Hennessey is a fucking human trafficker. He forces women into prostitution and hemophagia. And if he sees you as a threat, he kills your grandparents and takes your mother hostage.Evil Is Cool Traits? Freudian Excuse? Complexity?
There is no nice way of saying this: Hennessey is a deplorable, vile creature. His gentleman act is just an act.
Verdict?
I'd say that Hennessey makes the cut.
Who is Governor Ethan Oliver, and what has he done?
Governor Ethan Oliver colludes with, and frequents, the human trafficking network, using its services for his own personal gain. Having originally used the brothels to rape women, Oliver arranges for the human trafficking network to make derelict women disappear so that he can claim to have cleaned up his state and bolster his political career, further intending to continue the process if he is elected President.
What makes him personally despicable?
Aiding, abetting, and frequenting a human trafficking network is already pretty fucking low. Using the disappearances of missing vagrants to bolster your own good reputation, on the other hand, is the kind of thing that would horrify all but a select few of the most hardened tyrants. I don't even think Donald Trump would ever do something like this.Evil Is Cool Traits? Freudian Excuse? Complexity?
I'm not gonna bother with pleasantries. Oliver is a dirtbag of the highest order. He only cares about power.
Verdict?
This thread and the Complete Monster thread are the only places where anyone should have to vote for a political candidate like him.
Edited by SkyCat32 on Oct 27th 2019 at 12:55:49 PM

@Kazuya Prota, I copy-pasted your writeup and made some corrections and minor expansions. It is now on the drafts page.
Edited by MasterN on Oct 24th 2019 at 9:11:50 AM
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