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The main concern of a Hate Sink is whether the narrative treats the character as someone intended to be despised.

The character in question must actually display detestable qualities, and be hated by other characters at least, or treated by the narrative like someone you are supposed to hate. The author's declared intent cements an example, but is not needed if the narrative itself treats the character as someone who is supposed to be hated.

A Hate Sink may have charismatic traits, a troubled past, or complexity, but in order for this trope to be in effect, such traits must be de-emphasized by the narrative in favour of their detestable traits.

Please note that we do not use Effort Posts.

Edited by gjjones on Dec 3rd 2020 at 7:43:25 AM

MasterN Berserk Button: misusing Berserk Button from Florida- I mean Unova Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#2001: Oct 21st 2019 at 8:39:51 PM

[up] I would say it is less inconsistent and more... complex. Tsuchida is an asshole, and the story makes it clear, but he also has redeeming qualities that I feel disqualify him. Sure, you are probably supposed to hate him at first, but after The Reveal, he comes across as a little pitiable. So feel free to downvote if you want. (Or download and play the game if you feel like it- Memories of Fear translated it, and it is free. Link on trope page.)

Honestly, I only brought him up just to see if people would downvote him or not. I do not expect him to get up.

Edited by MasterN on Oct 21st 2019 at 8:40:08 AM

One of these days, all of you will accept me as your supreme overlord.
Kirby0189 Kirby is shaped like a friend from America Since: Apr, 2019 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
Kirby is shaped like a friend
#2002: Oct 22nd 2019 at 10:03:36 AM

Here's Silver Horn's writeup:

EDIT: I'm supposed to put this over in Hate Sink Drafts, right? If not, I can go and cut it.

Edited by Kirby0189 on Oct 22nd 2019 at 1:33:23 PM

<(0_0<) <(0_0)> (>0_0)> KIRBY DANCE
MasterJoseph Frolaytia X Qwenthur of Heavy Object from Not telling. Since: Mar, 2018 Relationship Status: All I Want for Christmas is a Girlfriend
Frolaytia X Qwenthur of Heavy Object
#2003: Oct 22nd 2019 at 11:22:08 AM

[up]Pretty much.

IPP Wick Check created.
SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
The Draftsman of Doom
#2004: Oct 22nd 2019 at 4:23:16 PM

[tup] Balaam and Mizumi.

Beast from Ontario, Canada Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: Browsing the selection
#2005: Oct 23rd 2019 at 8:25:11 AM

It just occured to me that Chris Hargensen and Billy Nolan from Carrie isn't on the film or literature page.

...I was gonna do an EP for them but I don't have access to the movie or the book ATM, and haven't seen/watched them since 2013.

Edited by Beast on Oct 23rd 2019 at 10:46:41 AM

"It's like...a cliff, and if I do it, I'm just gonna...fall." "I think we're already falling."
papyru30 from Colorado for summer break Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
#2006: Oct 23rd 2019 at 11:52:33 AM

Question, were the three Godfather characters on the film page approved here?

SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
The Draftsman of Doom
#2007: Oct 23rd 2019 at 11:57:51 AM

I don't think they were. Depending on how good the entries are, we might only need to effort post them to be Machmir. note 

Edited by SkyCat32 on Oct 23rd 2019 at 2:58:11 PM

MasterN Berserk Button: misusing Berserk Button from Florida- I mean Unova Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#2008: Oct 23rd 2019 at 3:11:38 PM

Hey, Georgie Enkoom and Kazuya Prota, have you two posted your writeups for Guigoz and Kazuya, respectively?

One of these days, all of you will accept me as your supreme overlord.
KazuyaProta Shin Megami Tensei IV from A Industrial Farm Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Shin Megami Tensei IV
#2009: Oct 23rd 2019 at 6:51:59 PM

  • Umareru Kachi no Nakatta Jibun ga Anna no Tame ni Dekiru Ikutsuka no Koto: Initially a pitiable loser that fails at improving his life even after returning to the past, Kazuya Mukai elimates all his sympathetic traits after accidentally killing his bully and then sexual and emotionally abusing his pre-teen friend Ikumi. Determinated to rape his crush Anna, Kazuya turns Ikumi into his accomplice, when Anna's friend Satsuki switches beds with her, Kazuya rapes her anyway, causing her to commit suicide. Once Ikumi confess their crimes to the mysterious Izuru and begs him to stop for their own sake, Kazuya beats Ikumi to death, calling her worthless. Confronting Izuru and discovering she is his Child by Rape from a alternate timeline, Kazuya mocks her. A rapist in the body of a 13 years old children willing to ruin the lives of his childhood friends, Kazuya's last words are a promise to rape Anna in his next reincarnation.

Edited by KazuyaProta on Oct 23rd 2019 at 8:53:27 AM

Watch me destroying my country
GeorgieEnkoom Emperor Georgie Artémis Enkoom Evulz II from Somewhere. Since: Feb, 2017 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
Emperor Georgie Artémis Enkoom Evulz II
#2010: Oct 23rd 2019 at 9:18:05 PM

Not just Guigoz, actually...

Here's my many, many writeups :

  • Code Lyoko fanfic The Games of Moriarty: Moriarty is the main antagonist of the series. Beneath his polite, charming behavior, Moriarty tries to Take Over the World to get back at the world for the suffering it gave him. While he has a strong Freudian Excuse and is a complex character, his acts goes way beyond sympathy, such as forcing the Lyoko-warriors to make several Sadistic Choices threatening their friends, themselves or other people, mind-raping several people, including Odd through a "treatment" even though Odd was already under his control, spreading a deadly flu in the entire city and killing 40 people, or taunting the heroes about their personal issues. Moriarty is also fond of fear-mongering, creating the nationalistic "Order", while committing several terrorist attacks and framing the French Muslim population for his attacks. Moriarty is also a complete tool to ally and enemy alike, revealing to Jérémie that Aélita "cheated on him" with Odd so that he could enjoy seeing him suffer, or mistreating his own creations and subordinates, often threatening to kill them.
  • Et je prendrai tout ce que j'ai à prendre, by Céline Lapertot: Charlotte's father, beneath his loving facade, is in truth a narcissistic pervert who abused his own wife Mathilde so much he turned her into a Broken Bird before the story even starts. Introduced giving Mathilde a No-Holds-Barred Beatdown because he had a bad day at work, he punched his daughter Charlotte and locked her up in the cave because he felt his control over her was slipping. The cave became Charlotte's bedroom for 10 years, during which her father constantly abused her, threatening her into not saying anything to her grandparents in a fatherly tone, beating her up and ripping to shreds one of her books when her grades worsened, or forcing Charlotte to watch as he destroyed her old bedroom (that he constantly changed to fit Charlotte's tastes). When Charlotte befriended Guy, her father found out, and attempted to rape her when she had shown the slightest bit of defiance.
  • Les traces du passé: Sister Jeanne Belanger founded an orphanage with once genuinely good intentions. However, later, beneath her devout facade, she became a twisted Knight Templar who tortured the children literally all day, whipped them into unconsciousness, starved them and dehydrated them. Claiming to "correct them", she gave them to pedophilic priests, who promptly raped and enslaved them. When one of the orphans, Sophie, tried to escape alongside other orphans, she caught them at the last second, locked them in a cave, and watched as they starved to death.
  • La République des imberbes, by Mohamed Toihiri : Guigoz is the main protagonist of the book. Based on Ali Soilih, Guigoz manipulated a far-left group into giving him complete power in the Comoros after their coup d'état. Guigoz proved to be a dictator through his Zazis commandos, ordering brutal punishments against anyone who criticized him, dissolving all political parties and forbidding witchcraft and "sorcery" while having several "sorcerers" as advisors. Upon their advice, Guigoz sacrificed 7 seven-year old kids. Guigoz also manipulated the Comorian youth into joining his ideas leading them to commit murders, thefts, horrors and rapes, thus becoming Zazis. When his advisors told him that spirits were angry and required three sacrifices, including one person truly close to Guigoz, Guigoz tricked his friend and advisor Lulé Ben Katil into killing two people before having him executed. When a group tried to rebel against Guigoz in Iconi, Guigoz went to the village and hid in his car while an onslaught happened, resulting in the deaths of 11 people at the scene and 100 other people executed under Guigoz's orders.

J’m’arrête pas tant qu’j’vois pas des lignes sur les moniteurs (Not stoppin 'til I see Flatlines)
MasterN Berserk Button: misusing Berserk Button from Florida- I mean Unova Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#2011: Oct 23rd 2019 at 9:49:54 PM

@Kazuya Prota, @Georgie Enkoom: Great. Please post them on the Hate Sink Drafts page. Also, if you have the time, please vote on this candidate I brought up.

One of these days, all of you will accept me as your supreme overlord.
GeorgieEnkoom Emperor Georgie Artémis Enkoom Evulz II from Somewhere. Since: Feb, 2017 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
Emperor Georgie Artémis Enkoom Evulz II
#2012: Oct 23rd 2019 at 9:57:47 PM

Sure to Mizumi, but no to Professor Tetsuya Tsuchida.

J’m’arrête pas tant qu’j’vois pas des lignes sur les moniteurs (Not stoppin 'til I see Flatlines)
SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
The Draftsman of Doom
#2013: Oct 23rd 2019 at 9:57:57 PM

Abstain on the Prof.

Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#2014: Oct 23rd 2019 at 10:20:20 PM

Okay I hope don't mind if I join. Since this my first EP here, here's a modified version of my CM EP for this guy.

What's the work?

Across the Years is a Victorious Fanfic by Quitting Time the guy behind The Wolf in me, which is in a Sharad Multiverse with. It fallows a young American named Jade West that moves to London after a nasty break up with her girlfriend Becca. While visiting a shop she finds a old Victorian picture of and diaries that belonged to a long since dead Victoria Vega Walker, who she slowly falls in love with and uses her boss Sikowitz's time machine to go save from her horrible fate.

Who is Beckett Oliver?

On the outside Victoria's gentlemanly fiance, but is in reality a misogynistic adulter who believes in only taking care of his needs. In the original timeline Beckett "Beck" Oliver cheated on her repeatedly, and emotionally abused her once they got married. After their wedding, Beck pretty much dropped all pretense of caring, made her cut off ties to her friends and family, and cheated on her repeatedly. He lied to her and manipulated her into being his slave at home or resenting her presence for being a woman. He also gambled both away using both their money.

When she becomes pregnant, he pretty much spent time away from her because he is repulsed by her and all but openly said that he would treat the baby the same if it's a girl. Tori dies in child birth along with the baby, while he's away with his mistress. Once that happened he married his mistress, who he treated just the same before leaving her. He died on a ship to Australia trying to escape his creditors.

In the new timeline, Beck forms a rivalry with Jade, who is working a chamber maid for Victoria's family, after she humiliates him. It's revealed he steals money from his family's firm while giving his dad a false records. When a new clerk named Harold Ross found out, Beck threatened him and his family with financial ruination. In the original timeline, he him up to take the fall for his crimes and killed him when he tried to testify against him in court. When Jade reveals his crimes at the wedding and he gets arrested, he escapes to kill her and Victoria. He manages to shoot and nearly Victoria, who must be taken to the present to be saved and extremely traumatized by it. He dies by drowning in the river. In the present, Jade finds out that a very famous killer has been wiped from existence. You see it's strongly hinted that Beck faked his death and killed prostitutes over Whitechapel under the name Jack.

Redeeming qualities?

None that hold up. He acts polite to everyone, but is revealed to be a extremely petty misogynistic man only out for his own needs.

Intent?

It's made perfectly clear that Quitting Time wanted this Beck to be as lothsome as possible. Stripping of his canon counterpart's redeeming qualities and replacing it with a petty and misogynistic manchild.

Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup thread
GeorgieEnkoom Emperor Georgie Artémis Enkoom Evulz II from Somewhere. Since: Feb, 2017 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
Emperor Georgie Artémis Enkoom Evulz II
#2015: Oct 23rd 2019 at 10:35:22 PM

Still not sure about him in the CM thread but here? Easy keeper.

J’m’arrête pas tant qu’j’vois pas des lignes sur les moniteurs (Not stoppin 'til I see Flatlines)
DemonDuckofDoom from Some Pond in Hell Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
IukaSylvie from Kyoto, Japan Since: Oct, 2017 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
#2017: Oct 24th 2019 at 1:40:26 AM

[tup] Beck. I hate misogynists because I'm a girl.

IukaSylvie from Kyoto, Japan Since: Oct, 2017 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
#2018: Oct 24th 2019 at 2:08:55 AM

Here's the rewrite for the Shou Tucker entry. You can also write up my other approved candidates if you ask me for permission.

  • Fullmetal Alchemist: Shou Tucker is the only character to go to hell during the author's "In Memoriam" omakes for good reason. He subjects his wife, then his five-year-old daughter and her Big Friendly Dog, to a Fate Worse than Death as chimeras both to keep his job and For Science! Even the financial justification he gives for his actions just come across as the worst kind of pathetic. When under house arrest, all he does is to whine about how no one understands him. Remorselessly depraved behind his mild exterior, his one-shot appearance leaves a massive impact throughout the series.

Edited by IukaSylvie on Oct 24th 2019 at 6:15:10 PM

DemonDuckofDoom from Some Pond in Hell Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#2019: Oct 24th 2019 at 2:28:44 AM

You hate misogynists, Sylvie? Well, I've got a fuckin' doozy coming here.

New Halloween proposal, from Trilogy of Terror.

Who's the candidate?

Chad Morgan, a college student.

What does he do?

We first meet Chad girl-watching with his friend, denigrating all the qomen nearby as "dogs" right before he sees English twacher Julie Eldridge. Growing obsessed with her, Chad pesters the woman until she agrees to go on a date with him, during which he promptly drugs her to take compromising photographs. Using the pictires, he blackmails Julie into a relationship, which lasts for a few weeks. However, it all ends when Julie reveals that she has been manipulating Chad the whole time, pretending to be his perfect victim for her own amusement, Chad dying from a poison she slipped in his drink soon after.

Personally despicable?

Open misogynist who blackmails his teacher into dating him abd flat admits he doesn't care what she wants.

Redeeming qualities?

Absolutely none. Yeah, he's got that other friend, but they have all of five lines of interaction, none of which show any care.

Verdict?

[tup]

IukaSylvie from Kyoto, Japan Since: Oct, 2017 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
GeorgieEnkoom Emperor Georgie Artémis Enkoom Evulz II from Somewhere. Since: Feb, 2017 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
Emperor Georgie Artémis Enkoom Evulz II
#2021: Oct 24th 2019 at 3:45:18 AM

@IukaSylvie, @DemonDuckofDoom Guys... Thanks 4 giving me ideas.

What's the work?

Echoes, to my surprise.

For more information on the work, see Kenta's EP.

That said, let's deal with our candidate, shall we?

Who is Izanagi? What has he done?

Izanagi is Izanami's world!Madara Uchiha. He also used to be Izanagi's Evil Mentor. Keyword is, used to.

Meeting a dying Izanami after she escaped Konoha, Izanagi resurrected her and made her immortal to test his newfound immortality technique. To make sure that she'd follow the Eye of the Moon plan like canon (except that Izanagi has no good intentions), Izanagi trained her and taught her everything he knew, from his techniques to his fighting style. But... Out of misogyny, he also taught her seduction... In a rather gruesome way with Unfortunate Implications. Enjoy :

She was chained to an operation table, stripped of her clothes. The old bastard was glancing down at her, his eyes radiating with killing intent. "You truly thought you could escape my grasp?" He asked softly. "I have four Kage obeying my every command through the Edo Tensei. There is no place where you can hide."

"L-let me go!" She hissed, the chains preventing her from phasing away. "I'm not your tool!"

"You're my apprentice, and you shall obey," he replied. "I brought you back, nurtured you, treated you like my own daughter… and this is how you reward me? By running away?"

"You forced me to-"

"People are less likely to notice the hidden dagger when you open your legs for them," Madara shot back cruelly, searching through his tools. "Deal with it. I told you time and time again: you are no one. You are only good for carrying out the Moon's Eye plan and destroy my enemies. And since you are intent on defying me… Perhaps is it an opportunity to learn a thing or two about your condition… "

He brought out the scalpels, and approached her face.

"I will have to teach you respect today."

Yes. It's heavily implied that he forced Izanami to prostitute herself as part of her "training". You read that right.

Despite having taught everything he knew to Izanami, he learned that she had a son, Itachi, who was merely a kid by that time. Considering him more promising than his mother, and also out of misogyny, he chose to replace her with him. Fortunately, before he could do so, Izanami discovered his plans... She reacted appropriately.

By poisoning his meal, then got a giant preying mantis to eat his heart while he was still alive, then cut his corpse into tiny pieces.

However, when he needs to face the Arashi clan, Susanoo resurrects Izanagi (who Came Back Strong on top of that), who promptly resurrect an army of Kages. Edo Hashirama, despite being a notorious All-Loving Hero, has to acknowledge his old friend had lost all of his redeeming qualities.

Edo Hashirama and Izanagi ends up facing Izanami, Konan and the Six Paths Sage. When the latter easily wastes them in battle, Izanagi has no problem Colony Dropping the moon towards Earth to stall him. He's fully aware that he risks killing more than just his enemies and doesn't care one bit, planning to go to another universe where he could start over his plan all over again. The Sage is forced to use most of his strength to put the moon back into orbit, which would have left him open to Izanagi if it wasn't for Izanami and Konan finally killing him.

What makes him personally despicable?

As you know, Echoes's heinous standard is brutal. The Warlord killed trillions, Kenta is the embodiment of the Would Hurt a Child trope, Alpha is a Shadow Dictator who continued a genocide project that would end with 90% of the world's population six feet under, Yagura commits genocide for fun and social darwinism, and Teikoku!Obito used the infinite Izanagi, wiping out everyone living in his world.

That said? Izanagi makes it, if only barely. His hardcore, genuine misogyny (the Warlord had only one misogynistic moment, and even then he was obviously trolling) and Domestic Abuse (not just emotional and physical basic abuse : he experimented on her corpse, pimped her and tortured her to his content because she's immortal and a woman, leaving her traumatized even after his death) of Izanami gives him an unique niche and makes him go above and beyond standard villainy, makes him instantly cross the Moral Event Horizon, as few abusers would go as far as to tie up and mutilate their victims to their content (and since Izanami's immortal...). Since the Edo Tensei is treated much more seriously in this fanfic (anyone who used it is considered to have crossed the Moral Event Horizon, and is heavily looked down upon even with a Godzilla Threshold. Those on the heroic side able to do it, such as Izanami and Sasuke, eventually stops using it, either gradually or immediately), this add to his crimes. To top it off? Just to eliminate a small (but very skilled) group of enemies, he Colony Drops the Moon towards Earth, fully aware that it will destroy the planet. And then he plans to go to another planet to continue his Eye of the Moon plan. While this isn't the Warlord's bodycount (who Colony Dropped two Earths towards each other), it is treated with extreme gravity, and both Izanagi's enemies and allies despises him for it. Among Izanagi's allies? Even Susanoo, who's by far the worst of the Madara Trio (pulling on Naruko breaking lectures, kicking the dog god knows how many times and lacks Amaterasu and Tsukiyomi's affability and magnificence)... Is disgusted by Izanagi's acts. Oh, and the guy is a misogynist, planning to replace Izanami with someone else, a boy more accurately. And the second he is resurrected, he plans to seal Izanami. She's immortal thanks to him. Thus, it's definitely a And I Must Scream fate.

In short, you certainly do not fail Echoes's heinous standard when you attempt to (or succeeds in) wipe out an entire world. Thus, Izanagi is well above the baseline.

For someone who had very few appearances and only appeared in 4/5 chapters... This is a surprisingly solid rap sheet.

Redeeming qualities? Freudian Excuse? Complexity? Evil Is Cool traits?

He used to have a single redeeming quality. He Wouldn't Hurt a Child and spared a young Hanzo as a result during one of his onslaughts.

This goes out the window with his mass-murdering Colony Drop attempt, however. The fact that he was willing to kidnap a four-year old child and raise him into doing his bidding doesn't help either.

He's not even a Not-So-Well-Intentioned Extremist, and only follows his plan to satisfy his god complex. He has no problem wiping out Earth and move on to another universe where he can start again.

He ressurects Izanami and makes her immortal... But with the sheer Domestic Abuse he wrought on her after that? Not a redeeming quality either. He's by far the most depraved of all Madara guys. Him "teaching her respect" is just an excuse to torture her to his content.

Verdict?

He barely made it as a CM but here? Easy keeper.

Next candidate, Lulé Ben Katil, from La République des imberbes.

What's the work?

See Guigoz's EP.

Who is Lulé Ben Katil? What has he done?

Lulé Ben Katil is a "sorcerer" and one of Guigoz's advisors. He's also his closest friend.

Now, Lulé is... A very fucked up individual.

Back in Madagascar, Lulé killed his own pregnant wife because?

No, she wasn't abusive.

No, he wasn't abusive either.

No, he wasn't a Gold Digger.

Yes, he essentially did that For the Evulz, because he wanted to see a fetus.

Later, in the Comoros, upon becoming Guigoz's advisor, Lulé constantly begged him to kill a couple. Why? Because he owed them a debt and didn't want to pay it. Even Guigoz was wary of Lulé's Ax-Crazy tendencies... Before using them to his advantage.

Finally giving his greenlight to Lulé, Guigoz sent him slaughter the couple. Lulé lure them in a forest, claiming that he has the money... Before killing them. Lulé promptly arrested for the crime.

Despite the death penalty not being in the Constitution, Guigoz personally makes sure that Lulé is sentenced to death. Guigoz later visits him in prison and promises him that he will fake his death before sending him to France. Lulé eagerly agrees, wanting to fuck anything female and French... But the day of the execution, the bullets? Weren't blanks. Lulé kicked the bucket.

What makes him personally despicable?

Killed his pregnant wife For the Evulz, kills a couple because he didn't want to pay them a debt, and shows hedonistic tendencies. And not the Lovable Sex Maniac kind of hedonism.

Evil Is Cool tendencies? Freudian Excuse? Complexity?

Hashe.

Verdict?

... I won't even bother with that part.

J’m’arrête pas tant qu’j’vois pas des lignes sur les moniteurs (Not stoppin 'til I see Flatlines)
Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
The Draftsman of Doom
#2023: Oct 24th 2019 at 5:30:31 AM

[up]3.

[tup] Beckett, Chad, Izanagi, Lule.

Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#2024: Oct 24th 2019 at 5:33:02 AM

Okay how's this for a write up.

  • Victorious fanfic Across the Years: Beckett "Beck" Oliver is the emotionally abusive husband of Victoria, who lacks his canon counterpart's good qualities. He cheated on her repeatedly and made her isolate herself from the ones she loved. He's also a manchild, who stole from his father and killed a man who tried to testify against him. A petty and misogynistic man, who is strongly hinted at being Jack the Ripper.

Edited by Bullman on Oct 24th 2019 at 7:34:48 AM

Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup thread
DemonDuckofDoom from Some Pond in Hell Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature

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