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In order to properly evaluate a Hate Sink candidate, the following questions must be answered.

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What is the work?

State the work and which medium it is a part of, as well as what the work is about.

Who is the character, and what do they do?

State who the character is, and what courses of action they take.

What makes them personally despicable?

State the specific reasons they are despicable, such as petty behaviour and personal villainy.

Evil Is Cool traits? Complexity? Freudian Excuse?

State whether or not the character has any traits which get in the way of them being despicable, and if so, whether said traits are de-emphasised in favour of their despicable behaviour.

Verdict?

State whether or not you believe the criteria are met.

In order for this trope to be in effect, the character in question must actually display detestable qualities, and be hated by other characters at least, or treated by the narrative like someone you are supposed to hate. The author’s declared intent cements an example, but is not needed if the narrative itself treats the character as someone who is supposed to be hated.

Haman the Agagite, for instance, displays qualities of ego, bigotry, and pettiness; additionally, there is a custom of jeering at his name’s mere mention. It goes without saying, according to this thread, that Haman was intended to be despised by the audience. Being a Draco in Leather Pants, like Draco Malfoy, or a character people Love to Hate, like Joffrey Baratheon, doesn’t preclude being a Hate Sink; being a Complete Monster, like Haman, certainly doesn't preclude this trope either.

The main concern is whether the narrative treats the character as someone intended to be despised.

With regards to this trope, actions still generally speak louder than words. The format of editing which brings up characters who don't fit the bill, doesn't generally go into enough detail with regards to what makes these characters loathsome.

The entries for this trope should focus on who does qualify, not the characters who do not.

Admittedly, this trope is less complex, but, because a Hate Sink carries out loathsome actions the same way a Complete Monster carries out evil actions, and a Magnificent Bastard carries out clever actions, it is ostensibly necessary to write these entries with a similar structure, albeit usually with a shorter paragraph.

Edited by gjjones on May 28th 2019 at 5:46:22 AM

SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom from Nakatomi Plaza Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
MasterN The Plasma King from Florida- I mean Unova Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
The Plasma King
Oct 6th 2019 at 11:33:50 AM

[tup]UDay.

By the way, I would like to have another candidate from Persona3 on there. This one, Kouetsu, is the other CM in the game besides Shuji, so I will assume that I do not need to effort post them, and instead present my writeup (also did some rewriting of the Shuji part, mostly to mark spoilers). I already posted it on the Drafts page, but if there is a problem, please feel free to let me know. Here it is:

  • Persona 3: Of the major villains, Nyx herself is being forced to destroy the world by Erebus, who himself is too animalistic to hate, and even Takaya Sakaki has a Pet the Dog moment near the end. These two, however, are nothing but loathsome:
    • Kouetsu Kirijo is the Greater-Scope Villain of the game. The head of the Kirijo group, he researched shadow as a source of energy, and in the process became obsessed with bringing about the Fall, the end of humanity. To this end, he experimented on children, gave machines sentient life only to treat them as weapons and kill many of them, and corrupted his scientist subordinates into embracing his philosophy of death. Despite not appearing in the actual game due to his death, Kouetsu Kirijo casts a dark shadow over the events of the game.
    • Shuji Ikutsuki, Chairman of S.E.E.S., initially appears to be a benevolent mentor, but in truth is the mastermind behind the first half of the game. He uses the player as his personal pawn to revive Nyx, and to make matters worse, once the party catches on to the truth, he forcibly takes control of Aigis and crucifies the party with the intent of sacrificing them to Nyx. Mitsuru's father then shows up to confront him, and in the ensuing confrontation, both men end up dead. His crimes get even worse in the Persona 4: Arena duology, in which it's revealed that Ikutsuki was responsible for experimenting on Sho Minazuki just as he did on the members of Strega, so much of the hardship and tragedy in the games involving the P3 cast is his fault. Willing to aid the destruction of the world to appease his God of Evil, Shuji Ikutsuki eclipses even said god in villainy and despicableness.

Edited by MasterN on Oct 6th 2019 at 11:34:23 AM

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Kylotrope The Good Doctor
The Good Doctor
Oct 6th 2019 at 1:03:00 PM

[up] CM Dosent equal HS. While an EP isn't always necessary you should still make a post about them.

Cut them Down and Make them Holy, forgiven on this ground solely
SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom from Nakatomi Plaza Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
The Draftsman of Doom
Oct 6th 2019 at 1:19:24 PM

Yeah, at the very least, we need to know all the things that make the character despicable, and it would possibly help if we knew if there was anything that cast a shadow of a doubt on the author's intent that needed to be addressed, if there was anything.

Do I sound like I'm ordering a pizza?!
MasterN The Plasma King from Florida- I mean Unova Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
The Plasma King
Oct 6th 2019 at 2:23:51 PM

Very well then. I will make an EP anyway, and will try to make it brief.

What's the work?

Persona3 is an entry in the Persona series, a Megami Tensei spin-off. This plot concerns a group of heroes, S.E.E.S., who investigate a mysterious tower and fight the shadows that want to bring about the Fall, an event which will Kill All Humans.

Who is Kouetsu Kirijo? What has he done?

Kouetsu Kirijo is the Greater-Scope Villain. Back when he was alive, he was the head of the Kirijo group who wanted to research shadow power, thinking it might make a good energy source. Instead he ended up becoming obsessed with the Fall. So he experimented on children, made living weapons that he mistreated and killed, and brainwashed his scientists into worshiping the Fall like he did. Then it backfired and they all died.

What makes him personally despicable?

He is a Corrupt Corporate Executive who harmed and killed tons if not hundreds because of his obsession, and turned his inner circle into a doomsday cult that almost ended the world and indirectly led to the main conflict of the game.

Evil Is Cool qualities? Complexity? Freudian Excuse?

We only see him in one flashback, and hear about him from other accounts, so he does not have enough time to establish himself as cool. The Persona 3 Club Book indicates that he started the research to truly help humanity by finding a new energy source, but that man is clearly long gone. Him becoming obsessed and misanthropic was not due to shadow influence, it was his own mind that drove him to do those terrible things. Yukari expresses contempt for the man and the fact that S.E.E.S. is essentially cleaning up his mess. So yeah, unless the game writers say otherwise, he is not meant to be liked.

Verdict?

He deserves to be on there with Shuji, as he only has a small bit of screen time but manages to establish himself as hatable regardless. He hurt so many people and established a doomsday cult, and nearly destroyed all humanity. The conflict happens indirectly because of him. Not much more to him, really.

Edited by MasterN on Oct 6th 2019 at 2:25:37 AM

One of these days, all of you will accept me as your supreme overlord.
KazuyaProta Porky from A Industrial Farm Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Porky
Oct 6th 2019 at 2:41:32 PM

[tup] Kouetsu Kirijo

By the way, can you point me where he appeared? In a flashback? In a ova?

Watch me destroying my country
MasterN The Plasma King from Florida- I mean Unova Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
The Plasma King
Oct 6th 2019 at 2:43:30 PM

Flashback, but sadly I cannot find a video of it.

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SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom from Nakatomi Plaza Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
MasterN The Plasma King from Florida- I mean Unova Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
The Plasma King
Oct 6th 2019 at 3:17:38 PM

By the way, Kazuya Prota, I think you should EP your recent CM Kazuya on here, since, as you said, he is a vile loser who is meant only to be detested. It would be nice to finally have a protagonist Hate Sink, which I do not think we have ever added (correct me if I am wrong, though).

Edited by MasterN on Oct 6th 2019 at 3:18:47 AM

One of these days, all of you will accept me as your supreme overlord.
KazuyaProta Porky from A Industrial Farm Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Porky
Oct 6th 2019 at 3:40:38 PM

[up]. But we had Henry from Henry: Portrait of a Serial Killer

Setting?

Umareru Kachi no Nakatta Jibun ga Anna no Tame ni Dekiru Ikutsuka no Koto? is a manga about the new life of Kazuya Mukoi, a loser mangaka wannabe who is envious at how his childhood friends have found happiness.

He has a deadly accident and awakens in the body of his 13 years old self. In the past. Now, Kazuya wants to fix his life and marry his crush Anna.

He fails on that.

And he reacts.

Who is Kazuya Mukai?

Failing at getting close with his crush Anna. Kazuya starts to mess with the life of his classmates for the Lulz, getting along with a flirtatious classmate named Ikumi Kujou, who is friends with the local Bully.

Kazuya and Ikumi do a bet where if Kazuya is right, she will have sex with him. Accidentally causing the death of his bully. Kazuya is horrified initially, being extremely frustrated. But after Shinya's funeral, he simply...accepts it and demans Ikumi to fulfill the bet, forcing himself after her initial refusal.

After that, Kazuya and Ikumi enter into a relationship that is just Kazuya using Ikumi to have sex when he's frustrated or horny and Ikumi following Kazuya due to her guilt and loneliness.

After that, Kazuya decides to fulfill his dreams. Which means that he's gonna rape Anna. However, he is stopped for the mysterious Izuru, who hunts him for unknown reasons.

Ninose Satsuki decides to switch beds with Anna, being aware that Kazuya would try to rape her while Ikumi obstructs Izuru. Kazuya rapes Satsuki and she kills herself the next day, not after she gives information to Kazuya's friend, Kuzugi Kyota.

After that, Ikumi confesses Kazuya's crimes to Izuru. All of that a trap of Kazuya to try to kill her. After said trap fail, Kazuya kills and insult Ikumi in rage attack after she asks him to stop trying to rape Anna for the wellbeing of both

Later, after Anna dissapears. Ikumi and Kyota search her believing that Kazuya is behind that. They're wrong, but Kazuya takes the chance to try to kill Izuru in the school at night. There, Kazuya and Izuru try to kill each other while we discover Izuru's past.

Izuru is the Child by Rape of Anna and Kazuya from a timeline where he was successful. In the timeline, Kazuya lived a happier life while Anna lived a life raising a daughter that was ignored and abused. After discovering the truth after Anna's suicide, Izuri killed the Kazuya of that world and bowed to kill all of his bloodline, which Somehow made her awaken in the body of her mother's cousin.

After Kazuya realizes the truth, he and Anna fall to their deaths from the rooftop of the school. As he dies, Kazuya accepts his death, saying that he's gonna try again to which Anna responds saying that she will hunt him in every timeline.

Why he's disgusting

Serial Rapist of preteens who mocks his future Child by Rape calling her "a product of all the girls that I will fuck!". Insults his girlfriend, whom he manipulates knowing her weaknesses and eventually brutually kills her. Causes the deaths of three preteens.

Redeeming traits?

Nothing. His original life was actually pitiable, but once he starts to believe that raping his childhood crush would solve all his problems in life. All sympathy goes away.

His love for Anna is just lust and a desire for winning. His relationship with Ikumi is abusive and ends with Kazuya beating her to death, his friendship with Kouta is merely a cover that he's willing to trash once he feels confident enough.

Verdict?

Too good that I just had to re-use my CM EP with some tweaks.

Edited by KazuyaProta on Oct 6th 2019 at 5:41:15 AM

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MasterN The Plasma King from Florida- I mean Unova Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
The Plasma King
Oct 6th 2019 at 3:43:19 PM

[tup] Fucking Kazuya. (Not you, Prota. Obviously.) Our main character, everyone! Our KazuyaProtagonist!

And hey, maybe, one of these days, I will make a work with a CM named Kazuya who is totally badass.

Edited by MasterN on Oct 6th 2019 at 4:08:18 AM

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SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom from Nakatomi Plaza Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
The Draftsman of Doom
Oct 6th 2019 at 4:14:29 PM

[tup] Kazuya (again, no relation to the troper).

Do I sound like I'm ordering a pizza?!
MasterN The Plasma King from Florida- I mean Unova Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
The Plasma King
Oct 6th 2019 at 5:43:46 PM

Alright, now I know I posted an EP earlier on Kouetsu, and I do not mean to take attention from Kazuya (please vote on that if you have not already). However, I want to post this character one here. He was my first Complete Monster EP, and I think he qualifies as a Hate Sink as well. Seeing as it is my own EP, I will assume nobody has any issues with me copy-pasting the material.

Alright, here I go. Obviously, this contains spoilers, so if you would like to play spoiler-free, play the game and then look here. (You may already know this, but I wanted to point it out just in case.)

What's the work?

Lunarosse is an RPG made by Geminidrake with RPG Maker, and the first in a series of four called the Silver Dawn Chronicles.

It takes place in a typical fantasy world, ruled by The Empire of Lunarosse and The Empress Corlia. She is thought of as a benevolent and beloved ruler, but there is a La Résistance faction (known as The Faction) led by Shamaness Yliandra. A peace between the two has been in the works.

The game stars Channing Farrow, a member of the Bahrumel guild who is sent on a mission with his friends to attend a peace talk. Unfortunately, a murder takes place that throws the world into war once again, and Channing is caught in the middle.

It slowly becomes apparent that the war was intentionally sparked by a Hidden Villain, known only as the Illusion Master. This character is the true Big Bad of the game, and the one I will be discussing.

Who is Dr. Dario Naumov? What has he done?

Naumov was originally Corlia's psychologist. See, the twist is that Lunarosse is a dream world created by Corlia, a schoolgirl with psychic powers, and everyone was pulled from the real world into this dream world, because she was depressed about her friends all leaving because summer school ended. She burned down the schoolhouse in frustration, and was institutionalized. She began telling her stories to Dario, who bonded with her over it, and initially he seemed to be a benevolent caretaker. In truth, he was madly in love with her, and was frustrated that his love was not reciprocated. He also found himself hating the role that Corlia assigned to him in story (a mere ambassador that shows up only at the very end) and thought the story in general was trite and cliche.

His love turned to bitter hatred, he took control of Lunarosse for himself. He created three personas to serve as his avatars: Zevahn, Corlia's Monster Clown Evil Chancellor; Bellahan, Yliandra's tactician; and Namaari, Yliandra's ambassador. He uses these three identities to sow chaos in Lunarosse, slowly corrupting Corlia and her Literal Split Personality Yliandra into waging war on each other.

The bulk of his atrocities are committed in his Zevahn persona. One of the main heroes, Noel, is secretly in love with Channing, but hides it because of their Incompatible Orientation. Dario, most likely as Zevahn, takes his repressed feelings and creates a Superpowered Evil Side known as Gerard, then uses him to carry out evil deeds. Another one of the heroes, Gloria, lost her friends Rani and Rini in the prologue mission when he ordered Gerard to slaughter them for infiltrating the castle, even though they posed no threat to the Empress. He has Gerard kill Naamari, reigniting the war, pinning it on the heroes, and leaving Noel with a lot of guilt. He also has Gerard kill Escobar, a minor villain affiliated with the Faction, just when Escobar is ready to turn good. When the heroes go to the castle at one point, he drags them into his pocket dimension, the House of Cards, so he can psychologically torture them with illusions, first trying to convince Prince Garret that he is not a good leader because of his paranoia, and then outright insulting Noel with illusions of Channing and Garret calling him a freak for loving another man. At the top of the Dreadnought Tower, Zevahn forces Noel back into his Gerard self, then sics him on the other heroes, forcing them to Mercy Kill a close friend and driving Channing to tears. All the while, he encourages Corlia to oppress her people and kill all those who stand in her way, fostering her Sanity Slippage, and sadistically taunting and trolling everyone, from the heroes to even his fellow subordinates, blasting a soldier just for making a stupid comment at one point.

Though on the surface his Bellahan persona is nicer, he proves himself to be cruel as well. Not only does he push Yliandra into insanity, but he also collaborated with Escobar, letting him attack other Demi-humans to harvest their tears to create magical pearl cannonballs. He goes so far as to create the Ponaredek, a create that can only survive by eating merpeople; while that last part is hinted to be an unwanted side effect, he does not seem too concerned about the innocent merpeople who suffer in the process. As stated above, he also has Gerard kill them both when they show signs of wanting to back out of the deal.

In the final act of the game, his avatars get Corlia and Yliandra to unleash their respective doomsday machines (a giant island and a humongous mecha, respectively) and cause wanton destruction. He creates a shadow of Gerard to serve him; if the heroes side with Corlia or Yliandra, he has the shadow posses the final boss of the respective ending (Yliandra for Corlia's ending and vice-versa) after being beaten once. In the true ending, where the heroes side with neither but get them to make peace, he reveals himself, taunts the heroes and Corlia/Yliandra, then fuses his three personas into one giant monster, and plans to flat-out destroy Lunarosse. Even as he is finally defeated for good, he only laments his failure to get what he wants, his final words simply being "You're all fools..."

What makes him personally despicable?'

Pretty much all the other villains are sympathetic in some way, even Gerard, Corlia, and Yliandra. Not this guy- he causes the entire war and kills large swaths of innocent people, psychologically tortures the heroes, takes advantage of and deliberately exacerbates the insanity of his own patient just because she did not reciprocate his creepy love for her, and finally tries to blow the whole place up. Also, he insulted Noel for being gay.

Evil Is Cool qualities? Complexity? Freudian Excuse?

The only real complexity is that some of his actions do not quite stick, due to the game taking place in a dream world. For example, Noel, despite being killed, is brought back to life later. Pretty much all of the recruitable characters and Corlia/Yliandra are alive by the end, and in the case of the latter, redeemed. Regardless, he still put them through psychological torture that will stick with them for the rest of their lives, and many of his victims are not shown alive at the end. Another thing is whether the people of the dream world could be considered real, but they showed enough self-awareness that they could be considered real people, in a sense, and are implied to be citizens from the real world who were people Corlia did not know but chose to be NPC characters- and he did plenty of mental damage to the confirmed real people. He was shown in the flashbacks as once being a good doctor, but it is highly likely this was an act to charm Corlia. He was motivated by his love towards her, but, ignoring the unethicality of doctor-patient relationships, his love was shown as creepy and possessive, not real love. There is also the question of whether his three personas can be considered the exact same character, but even if they are not, he still knowingly created them and had them do everything they did, and thus is still ultimately responsible for their actions.

He also does have certain Evil Is Cool vibes, especially as Zevahn, but the game emphasizes his detestableness. And his Zevahn persona was the one that basically called Noel a fag. Again, low blow.

Verdict?

Easy keeper.

Edited by MasterN on Oct 6th 2019 at 6:00:19 AM

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GeorgieEnkoom Emperor Enkoom Evulz II from Somewhere.
Emperor Enkoom Evulz II
Oct 6th 2019 at 5:53:24 PM

Sure to Dr. Dario Naumov.

At MasterN's request...

Narende!

What's the work?

La République des imberbes is a 1985 French-written Comorian novel written by Mohamed Toihiri (born in 1955), a French-Comorian writer and journalist and the Permanent Representative to the United Nations for Comoros, (also accredited as ambassador to the United States, Canada and Cuba) between 2007 and 2012. Toihiri is known as Comoros's first published author and is one of the very first people involved in the growing Comorian literature.

The novel itself, while having only fictional characters, is also heavily critical of Ali Soilih (who was was a Comorian socialist revolutionary and political figure who served as the 3rd President of the Comoros from 1976 to 1978, who gained power through a coup and was overthrown through a coup before being killed in his cell in May 29, 1978) and his atrocities (look here for more information).

As for the story itself? Well, the Villain Protagonist is Guigoz (there's also another main character named Haïdar towards the second half of the story, but we won't deal with him since, while he may be a Zazis, he ends up pulling a Heel–Face Turn), and the story deals with his rise and fall of power. The guy is charming, affectionate, wants the best for his country, the Comoros and is affectionately called "Big Brother".

But he wouldn't be our candidate if he was just that, right?

Who is Guigoz? What has he done?

An obvious Expy of Ali Soilih, Guigoz was The Ace back in school, but had already Troubling Unchildlike Behavior and was a bully, blackmailing his classmates into giving him food otherwise he'd fight them. He was eventually stopped when his victims tricked him into eating dog. He later went to high school in Madagascar, and got enough money to continue his studies in Paris. There, he grew a desire to shape the Comoros' history and quickly became a very cultured man.

Coming back to the Comoros, Guigoz became member of a far-left group planning to pull a coup d'État and take over the Comoros. When it was his turn to talk, Guigoz told them that they could manipulate France into helping them with the coup, as France was still butt-hurt over losing yet another colony. He also advises them into putting in place competent people in each minister, quickly won over most of the group with his charisma, advised using more and more information alongside every single language in the country (English, French, Comorian, Arabic and Hindinote ). This leads to the group advising Guigoz to become the head of state once they took over.

If only they knew how wrong they were...

The coup is successful, and Guigoz becomes the Guide and the Big Brother of the state.

His first laws?

"All national service agents, enterprises and public establishments must leave their jobs and agents of Comorian nationality must return to their family home to suckle the breast of their mother and cease to receive their remuneration." The administration itself as a whole is dissolved.

"Are also dissolved: — all political parties and groups of a political nature. — all societies of law or fact, operating under the law of 1901 of the French Republic."

"Not dissolved: — The People’s Army — The People’s Police — The People’s Gendarmerie — The People’s Militia."

Smells nice, huh? Oh, and Guigoz gets full power. And I don't need to mention the full control over the media, right?

First, the country closes itself to the outside world North Korea style. Then, the country's archives are destroyed, under the claim that it was part of their history under France. Then, animism, "sorcery" and "witchcraft" are forbidden and the practice of Islam is heavily restricted. Now, the "sorcery" and "witchcraft" part sounds like Kick the Son of a Bitch, especially with the following chapter showing the Foundi Sandrabo (Foundi means Teacher in Comorian) first getting money off off a woman who wants him to use a spell to help her son, then raping her.

Errr.... If it wasn't for one, little, really itty-bitty problem...

Well, despite that, several "sorcerers" are actually advising Guigoz. Yeah. You read that right. Oh and under their advice, Guigoz has them sacrifices 7 seven-year old kids (three boys, four girls). Allow me to give you the details for you guys to enjoy. All of them are strangled, while a nail is slammed in their skull with a hammer, with the first girl managing to scream even when strangled. And their blood is collected for seven naja snakes to lick it.

Meanwhile, when a bunch of old folks sacrifices a goat for their harmless superstitial purposes... Guigoz's Zazis commandos (obvious expies of Ali Soilih's "Moissy" revolutionary militia) capture them, ties them up to jeeps, and drives said jeeps, dragging the culprits, and laughing at the old folks'... misfortune. Oh, and one of the old people's got asthma and reacts as you'd expect to his precarious situation. Not that the Zazis cares.

Guigoz also manipulated the Comorian youth into joining his revolutionary ideas. Said corrupted youth then went on to commit murders, thefts, horrors and of course rapes. Oh, and everyone was listening to everyone. You make one mistake, let's just say that you weren't going to enjoy what would happen next. Even your own family could report you. No Holds-Barred Beatdowns became common with the Zazis around. To put it nicely? You were a senior, you were fucked.

Oh, and when a family was caught practicing witchcraft? They were forced to fill a hundred-liter barrel with seawater using a teaspoon. Sounds easy right?

And they were the lucky ones. If you ended up caught by Zazis... You were horribly tortured. 100 lashes even for the smallest crime. And then... You were lucky. Others were tortured to death. We're taking about heads flattened to the ground, more Eye Screams than Naruto and horrible mutilations. And if the Zazis were feeling nice? Either you had to shave your pubic bone with a shard of bottle, or you were forced to lay on the ground, with incandescent embers on your navel and hot coconut oil in your private parts especially if you happened to be a girl. Your choice! Another committee of a village in Hambou had simply asked a man who had repudiated his wife for no good reason, to pull out one by one and by hand all the leaves of the hundred-year-old badamier of the public square.

Okay, with all of this shit? Let's have a good laugh before returning to serious mode : a polygamous man (three wives) caught cheating on his wives with a goat was sentenced to forcibly divorce all of his wives and marry the goat. But that's just one black comedy moment. The novel remains serious apart from that.

When an old lady didn't recognize Guigoz and told him that the people were against Guigoz... He forced her to run around the Baumer stadium twelve times and not to talk for three days.

When a family, due to the patriarch's demise, dared to eat a 10-kilo papaya, two members of the family were sentenced to eat it all in the public place. Otherwise? They'd have to deal with the Zazis.

When Mr. Kafoungou and Mrs. Ganga were caught having sex without having married, they were forced to scream that they were fornicators everywhere they went. If this isn't public humiliation...

When "sorcerers" told Guigoz that spirits were angry and required three sacrifices, including one person truly close to Guigoz, Guigoz tricked his friend and advisor Lulé Ben Katil into killing two people. Lulé was judged and under Guigoz's advice, was sentenced to death. Guigoz later visited Lulé in prison, and told him that he was going to fake his death, with bullets being replaced by blanks, before sending Lulé to France. Lulé was obviously happy not to die and agreed. The day of the execution... Turns out the bullets fired weren't blanks, and Lulé died.

Let's go to another Comorian village : Iconi. There, a year after Lulé's death, a group tried to rebel against Guigoz. Guigoz goes to Iconi with a bunch of Zazis (Haïdar included) natives from Iconi, and threatens to torture the entire village if they don't reveal the rebels' identities. When someone pointed his finger to Moussa Mwandza-Shonga (who wasn't even part of the rebel group), the latter claimed he was innocent and attacked his accuser. A Zazis tried to separate them, but failed, and the whole thing led to an onslaught in the entire village while Guigoz hid in his armored car. Eleven people died in the scene, several ended up permanently handicapped, and 100 people were captured and killed. This kickstarted, however, Guigoz's downfall.

Guigoz was overthrown by John Ménard (an Expy of Bob Denard) and thrown in prison. There, an imam tried to redeem him (and also convert him to Islam, as Guigoz had abandoned Islam before even rising to power), and Guigoz rejected the offer. Later on, one person named Judas claimed that he could help him escape and even pulled Crocodile Tears to convince him. Guigoz was eager to jump at the occasion, but it was in truth a Batman Gambit so that they could assassinate Guigoz and make it look like an escape attempt. The Batman Gambit was a complete success, ending Guigoz's life.

What makes him personally despicable ?

Okay, the sacrifice of kids like he did? Guy's already got a point. To top it off? Even though Guigoz wasn't a rapist, the Zazis were acting on his orders, only adding to his list of crimes. Would Hurt a Child, Would Harm a Senior, The Corrupter, mass murder, torture, Rape by Proxy... You name it, he did it. Ultimately, Guigoz flies over the heinous standard, stomp on it, eat it, and sent it to hell and back. By the introduction, he's even referred to as Satan in a human's skin. A more than accurate comparison.

Freudian Excuse? Mitigating factors? Redeeming qualities?

While he lacks a Freudian Excuse, Guigoz has one potential redeeming quality : his genuine affection for Lulé, whom he openly refers to as a friend.

But he wouldn't be our candidate if that redeeming quality was there from beginning to end, right?

Problem is, when a bunch of "sorcerers" tells him that to remain in power he has to kill three people, including someone close to him? Guigoz has no problem offing Lulé, while still considering him a friend. That redeeming quality turns into a Junko Enoshima/Dio Brando case : love, instead of just making him evil, making him regret his choices or even hesitate to harm the object of his affection, only emphasizes his evil. He has no regrets over doing that, on top of it, merely mentioning that at least he won't have to deal with Lulé's annoying presence.

To top it off? Later on, when thinking about Lulé and his past, Guigoz refers to him as an ex-friend and no longer cares about him, thus definitely shedding a redeeming quality that already stopped being redeeming to begin with.

He's also a Graceful Loser, accepting his defeat when overthrown by John Ménard, but it doesn't comes off as humanizing, as he when faced with an opportunity to escape, he has no problem taking it, and he has no regrets over what he did. Him being a Graceful Loser is also because he knew that his rule was over, that there was no need to fight any longer, and that it was the only way to remain in the word of the living. Ultimately, it's Pragmatic Villainy, it's about saving his own skin and nothing more.

It's implied his mom is alive, but at one moment when he's busy, he says he mustn't be disturbed even if his mom kicked the bucket, showing he doesn't value her that much either. On top of that, she's barely mentioned and doesn't personally appears.

He also regrets the Iconi massacre, but not out of empathy towards it's victims, but because it kickstarted his downfall.

Ultimately, by the end? Hashé. Guigoz is a textbook sociopath who's one true redeeming quality is torn apart and thrown away like paper.

That, and he's based on a dictator the author is obviously criticizing.

Verdict?

Easy keeper. First Comorian CM. And first Comorian HS.

Edited by GeorgieEnkoom on Oct 6th 2019 at 2:53:54 PM

Here's my Code Lyoko/Naruto fanfic.
MasterN The Plasma King from Florida- I mean Unova Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
The Plasma King
Oct 6th 2019 at 6:17:12 PM

[tup] Big Brother Guigoz, for Big Brother Guigoz is watching. Seriously, though, Most Triumphant Example of Schoolyard Bully All Grown Up right here.

[up]Also, @Georgie Enkoom, I want to thank you for listening to my request and posting this here, and ask you what you think of Kouetsu and Kazuya. If you think they fit, please give an upvote.

Edited by MasterN on Oct 6th 2019 at 6:27:51 AM

One of these days, all of you will accept me as your supreme overlord.
SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom from Nakatomi Plaza Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
DemonDuckofDoom Keep away from Pumpkinhead from Some Pond in Hell Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
Keep away from Pumpkinhead
Oct 6th 2019 at 10:57:46 PM

[tup] Kouetsu, Kazuya, Naumov amd Guigoz

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GeorgieEnkoom Emperor Enkoom Evulz II from Somewhere.
Emperor Enkoom Evulz II
Oct 6th 2019 at 11:13:34 PM

Ewa to Kouetsu and Uncle Kazuya, no relation.

Yes, Ewa means yes in Comorian. Don't ask me why I said that.

Edited by GeorgieEnkoom on Oct 7th 2019 at 11:02:11 AM

Here's my Code Lyoko/Naruto fanfic.
MasterJoseph Shipping FrolaytiaXQwenthur of Heavy Object. Relationship Status: Seeking boyfriend-free girl
Shipping FrolaytiaXQwenthur of Heavy Object.
Oct 7th 2019 at 2:51:09 PM

[tup]Gui, Dario, Kaz

Tthe protagonist from Hatred might be another example of the protagonist being a hate sink.

Woobie Slayer
SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom from Nakatomi Plaza Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
The Draftsman of Doom
Kylotrope The Good Doctor
The Good Doctor
Oct 7th 2019 at 2:56:40 PM

I dought that, honestly. The game is unapologetically meant to let you kill people for the sake of Cartharsis

Cut them Down and Make them Holy, forgiven on this ground solely
Stellarvore Miss me? Relationship Status: Get out of here, STALKER
Miss me?
Oct 7th 2019 at 3:57:34 PM

Yeah, I really doubt that Not Important's creators intended him to be a HS. I'm willing to bet that the dev team share at least some of his beliefs. The game itself zigzags between being edgy and aware of it and obvious misanthropic propaganda. And there's also this.

Edited by Stellarvore on Oct 7th 2019 at 5:59:57 AM

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ElfenLiedFan90 Current Status: Taking a Break for 3 days or mor from Jakarta,Indonesia Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Current Status: Taking a Break for 3 days or mor
Oct 7th 2019 at 7:40:11 PM

I think I got a Hate Sink to propose. Now, I'm not sure if this needs an EP but this showcase that non-villains can be a Hate Sink. The character in question came from classic Aesop Fables literature caller The Boy Who Cried Wolf where the titular boy is a shepherd who frequently lies that his sheep was eaten by the wolf while the boy laughing his ass off because the villager were being deceived and he repeat this behavior again. However, he got his comeuppance when his sheep were truly eaten by the wolves as the boy pleads, the villagers never want to hear his pleas ever again because they were deceived several times.

Now, I think he's an Easy keep since I don't think he has any Evil Is Cool, Freudian Excuse or Mitigating Factors until he got his comeuppance and he's solely exist to give a cautionary tales to liars and deceivers alike despite not being a villain and I actually like this story because it ages rather well and it shows grave consequences to what happened to liars at the end. Until then, thoughts?

"Aww, don't make that pouty face... It makes me want to torment you more..." Current story that I made.
MasterN The Plasma King from Florida- I mean Unova Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
The Plasma King
Oct 7th 2019 at 8:03:06 PM

Uhh... weak [tup] to wolf boy.

Not sure what to say about Not Important, except that for some reason, I see he is being referred to as The Antagonist now. Why is that? He is not the antagonist, he is the Villain Protagonist.

On another note, I am on a roll and would like to present another candidate. This one is a pretty famous one, and although I am the one who wrote their entry, I want to rewrite it to make it look more like the professional ones we have here.

So, say hello again to Puella Magi Madoka Madoka's White Devil. (Big spoilers if you are one of the few people who have not seen this work and would like to experience to unspoiled.)

What's the work?

Puella Magi Madoka Magica is a multimedia franchise. It is a Magical Girl Genre Deconstruction in which girls are recruited by a cute little bunny-cat, named Kyubey, to battle bizarre creatures called witches, and use their energy to power the universe, saving it from heat death. Though the series starts off pretty cliche, it turns everything about magical girls on their head. Each series follows a group of magical girls and their journey as they discover the many awful truths of being a Puella Magi.

Among other things, that cute little critter, Kyubey? Is an asshole.

Who is Kyubey/The Incubators? What have they done?

Kyubey initially appears to be just the cute Mentor Mascot to the heroines. In truth, Kyubey is an alien Hive Mind with the true name The Incubators. They have the noble mission of saving the universe from heat death. However, because they are a hive mind with a more mechanical thought process than humans, they are willing to do whatever is necessary to save the universe, no matter how many people, species, and planets suffer and die in the process.

So Kyubey stumbles upon Earth, and decides to do their work in combating entropy. They have determined that the best way to do is to harvest human emotion. Specifically, the despair of females. So they create the Magical Girl system, in which girls are given powers and one wish to become magical girls. In truth, these are Faustian bargains with innocent teenage girls, and their wishes will almost inevitably backfire by design. Kyubey does this with the intention of driving the girls to despair, so that they may become witches, which will then kill more innocent people, strengthening thier corrupted souls. When said witches are killed, Kyubey stores their souls (the Grief Seeds) to be used as energy to keep the universe running. They are seen manipulating nearly every character in the series to make this happen, and they have apparently been doing this since humanity's beginnings.

In the original anime series, they manipulate Homura Akemi, who lost her best friend/crush Madoka Kaname, into trying to save Madoka via Time Travel, only to end up turning Madoka into the most powerful witch, and in the timelines where they succeed, they leave humanity to die, indicating that they only care about their own survival. They make a wish with Mami Tomoe, who barely survived a car accident that killed her parents; her wish was to live. Kyubey manipulates her guilt from forgetting to save her parents and exacerbates her mental instability- in some timelines, Mami flat-out snaps. Kyoko Sakura made a wish with them for people to finally listen to her father, who was rejected by the church for his different ideas. People finally listen to him, saving the family from poverty, but when the genuinely caring father finds out that Kyoko essentially put them under Mind Control, he snaps at the idea that his daughter has been entranced by the Devil and become a witch, and kills the whole finalist including himself but minus Kyoko. Sayaka Miki wishes for her crush Kyousuke to recover and get out of the hospital, and Kyubey grants this wish so that she will break when he does not return her affections. This winds up turning her into a witch herself. In the routes of the PSP game, the other girls can also become witches thanks to Kyubey and their manipulations.

This also happens to plenty of spinoff characters as well- a full list of them would be too much to write. To sum up, Kyubey is the Overarching Villain responsible for every Big Bad ever fought. And given that the PSP game includes an alien witch, it is likely that Earth is not the first planet they have ruined.

Whenever the main characters of a Puella Magi work realize this and angrily confront Kyubey, the alien gives several justifications for their behavior- that You Didn't Ask, that A Million Is a Statistic so why do insignificant humans care when they suffer and die, do you humans feel sorry for animals you raise to slaughter, the wish going wrong was your fault because you did not consider the consequences, women are so ruled by their emotions (and men are worthless because they have no emotion), I am just trying to save the universe so I am clearly a good guy and stop blaming me you Puny Earthlings, blah blah blah. Very few characters accept their reasoning- most just object anyway and tell Kyubey to stop treating them like tools.

In the end, Madoka is able to use her wish to become a goddess and save every magical girl throughout time, creating a system that does not require humans to sacrifice themselves. It gets worse, however, when Kyubey crosses the Moral Event Horizon in The Movie, Rebellion, by attempting to reinstate the witch system after it was been brought down, just because they feel the new system is not efficient enough to combat entropy. To that end, they turn Homura, who misses Madoka, into an 'unborn' witch and use her to lure Madoka into a trap, so they can control the Physical Goddess. As a result, they end up driving Homura to attempt suicide and warping her into a 'demon' (basically a super-witch) that proceeds to overthrow Madoka and destroy, then recreate the universe. They do finally get punished for that last one, but by that time the damage was already done. Time will tell if the ruination they have brought via Devil Homura will ever be repaired.

What makes them personally despicable?

They are willing to manipulate and psychologically torture girls to turn them into reality-warping monsters, them let them kill scores of innocents. They have been doing this for all human history. They do this to the point of creating a witch that dooms humanity, and show no concern for humanity, only preparing to leave and fuck up another planet. They tried to overthrow a benevolent goddess, and turned a lovable Anti Heroine into a Yandere demon that succeeds in this mission. And they do all this without a shred of emotion, instead literally condemning emotion as a mental disorder that they purge in any Kyubeys who try to escape the hive mind. Neither do they show remorse for any of this, instead resorting to Victim Blaming whenever confronted. Also, as mentioned above, they have rather stereotypical notions of men and women.

Evil Is Cool qualities? Complexity? Freudian Excuse?

They do have some coolness to their manipulative nature, but at the same time, they are a cowardly entity who prefers to let others do the fighting for them, which mitigates the coolness.

They are trying to save the universe, but they are not really depicted sympathetically for this, in part because they only care about saving themselves. Nearly every one of the in-universe characters despise Kyubey when they realize the truth. And The Movie has them turn down a perfectly humanitarian solution to the energy crisis because it is not efficient enough for them. Devilmura forcing them to bear all the world's despair was also clearly supposed to be karmic (even if it felt hollow to me personally- the Rebellion ending as a whole is on my least favorite endings list, but that is another discussion).

Verdict?

Bunnycat's a dick.

Edited by MasterN on Oct 8th 2019 at 10:12:07 AM

One of these days, all of you will accept me as your supreme overlord.
DemonDuckofDoom Keep away from Pumpkinhead from Some Pond in Hell Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
Keep away from Pumpkinhead
Oct 7th 2019 at 8:14:01 PM

[tup] Boy and Kyubey

New proposal, from The Girl Next Door.

Warning: This EP is super fucked up, and the work is Very Loosely Based on a True Story. which is why I'm not considering it a Halloween EP despite being a horror movie.

Who's the candidate?

Ruth Chandler, a woman who's taken her nieces in after her sister died.

What does she do?

At first Ruth seems like a cool aunt, letting her sons' friends come over anytime, but a darker side is foreshadowed when she lets them smoke and drink despite being children. Ruth eventually starts starving her niece Meg and berating her with misogynistic rants, physically retaliating when she resists. She then gets her boys to join in the beatings, threatening Meg with harming her sister Susan if she doesn't comply. This culminates in Ruth locking Meg in her basement and watching as her sons beat, rape and torture her. Meg's neighnour Davey tries to stop the horror, but as the film is set in 1958, everybody tells him to loom the other way. When he finally can't, Ruth has him locked in the basement too. After Susan recwals that Ruth has been molesting her, Davey starts a fire to escape and beats Ruth to death with Susan's crutches before the police arrive. Unfortunately, they showed up too late and Meg dies from her injuries.

Personally despicable?

Female Misogynist, sadistic child abuser, corruptor of minors and paedophile.

Redeeming qualities?

None. She doesn't even show any real love for her sons, basically treating them as goons to do the torture she's too old to inflict.

Verdict?

[tup]

Edited by DemonDuckofDoom on Oct 8th 2019 at 1:13:00 AM

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