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The main concern of a Hate Sink is whether the narrative treats the character as someone intended to be despised.

The character in question must actually display detestable qualities, and be hated by other characters at least, or treated by the narrative like someone you are supposed to hate. The author's declared intent cements an example, but is not needed if the narrative itself treats the character as someone who is supposed to be hated.

A Hate Sink may have charismatic traits, a troubled past, or complexity, but in order for this trope to be in effect, such traits must be de-emphasized by the narrative in favour of their detestable traits.

Please note that we do not use Effort Posts.

Edited by gjjones on Dec 3rd 2020 at 7:43:25 AM

SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
The Draftsman of Doom
#776: Jul 8th 2019 at 5:08:31 AM

I think it would be better if we avoided effortposting our own candidates.

k410ren Since: Jan, 2016
#777: Jul 8th 2019 at 5:53:46 AM

Any other opinions for my EP on Ramsay Snow?

"I'll show you the Dark Side." CM actors and kills
Kylotrope Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it) from Honolulu Hawaii Since: Apr, 2018
Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it)
#778: Jul 8th 2019 at 6:14:39 AM

[up][up] How Come?

[tup] to Ramsay

Edited by Kylotrope on Jul 8th 2019 at 6:14:54 AM

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SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
The Draftsman of Doom
#779: Jul 8th 2019 at 12:00:17 PM

[up]While the hate sink is a more objective trope than complete monster, I feel it is better to follow the CM thread policy on not effortposting from one's own work, just in case someone decides to pull a Joe Quesada and complain about their Creator's Pest.

MasterJoseph Frolaytia X Qwenthur of Heavy Object from Not telling. Since: Mar, 2018 Relationship Status: All I Want for Christmas is a Girlfriend
Frolaytia X Qwenthur of Heavy Object
#780: Jul 8th 2019 at 3:34:00 PM

[up]Um...isn't the Hate Sink author's intent?

IPP Wick Check created.
SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
The Draftsman of Doom
#781: Jul 8th 2019 at 3:49:55 PM

...You are right. I guess as long as you link to the work’s trope page or the work itself, there shouldn’t be a problem. I guess I’m not used to the idea of effortposting from one’s own work. Especially since authorial intent is unambiguous in that case.

Obvious [tup] Xander.

Edited by SkyCat32 on Jul 8th 2019 at 6:51:27 AM

Pichu-kun ... Since: Jan, 2001
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#782: Jul 9th 2019 at 5:34:16 AM

What is the work?

Survivors, called Survivor Dogs on this site. It's a children's xenofiction series about dogs surviving after earthquakes cause the humans in the area to exacuate.

Who is the character, and what do they do? What makes them personally despicable?

Whine, a Pug who lives in the forests with other stray/feral dogs. He's one of the dogs from the Wild Pack and is introduced in the second book. He's the original Omega of the group and thus was the lowliest member, looked down upon, somewhat isolated, and made to do other's biddings. Even ignoring his Omega status, Whine has no friends in the pack because of his personality.

Whine is predominantly an antagonist to the original protagonist, Lucky, and he looks down at Lucky for being a City Dog (a street dog). After finding out that Lucky is a spy for the Leashed Pack, Whine blackmails Lucky into framing another dog, Mulch, in hopes that they'll become the new Omega and Whine will advance in the pack. Whine is weak so there's only way that he can advance from his position as Omega is if someone else becomes Omega. Whine knows well that eating before Alpha is punishable with attack and could potentially lead to banishment or death, but he still forces Lucky to blackmail Mulch. After Mulch's demotion and later his (unrelated) death, Whine doesn't seem sympathetic or guilty at all. Whine also double-crosses Lucky and reveals that he's a spy anyway.

Whine holds a heavy bias against non-Wild Dogs. He looks down upon the entire Leashed Pack, even after they join the Wild Pack. Whine ie also biased against Fierce Dogs (Dobermans) and doesn't mind a couple of 3-month old puppies being killed because of their breed. Whine's past is ambiguous but being a purebred Pug implies he was either born a Leashed Dog or his mother was, which adds an element of You Are What You Hate to his character.

Whine constantly thinks he's smarter and better than others, though he's actually more of a load than the Omegas that succeed him. He's not strong enough to be an Alpha or Beta and he's not fast enough to be a Patrol Dog or Hunter. Pugs are companion dogs, and prone to health problems, so it's not his fault, but he won't admit it and hates being the Omega of his pack. After rising from Omege, he starts looking down on the other Omegas. Despite his attitude, Whine is a coward who shys away from conflicts and danger. Near the end of the first arc, he leaves his pack to side with the enemies. After the conflict is done, he's exiled from both packs.

Evil Is Cool traits? Complexity? Freudian Excuse?

He doesn't have any. He's snively, described as ugly and weird looking, and has no positive traits. He's just a jerk because he's The Load of the pack.

Verdict?

Whine's an unrepentant jerk with nothing positive to his character.

Edited by Pichu-kun on Jul 9th 2019 at 5:44:57 AM

LionKingAlex Master of the Fanfic Arts from The Sanctum Sanctorum Since: Oct, 2018
Master of the Fanfic Arts
#783: Jul 9th 2019 at 7:42:35 AM

[tup] for Whine.

SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
The Draftsman of Doom
#784: Jul 9th 2019 at 8:11:04 AM

[tup] Whine. Anyone else voting on Alex's candidate, Xander?

Edited by SkyCat32 on Jul 9th 2019 at 11:11:25 AM

ElfenLiedFan90 Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression) from Jakarta,Indonesia Since: Aug, 2017 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression)
#785: Jul 9th 2019 at 8:21:59 AM

Yea...Sure to Whine. What a fitting name

As for Alex' character... I'm still rather uncomfortable on voting a candidate made by the OP. I might lean yes but given that it could change overtime... Yeah

"Making screw-ups and mistakes was I ever really good at. Because everything I touch went to hell."
k410ren Since: Jan, 2016
#786: Jul 9th 2019 at 9:10:56 AM

[tup] Whine. What a name.

Anymore responses for Ramsay Snow on the previous page?

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Professorchaos56 Yet another overworked cashier from Trapped in my own head Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: I want you to want me
Yet another overworked cashier
#787: Jul 9th 2019 at 12:40:03 PM

I had two ideas, but since I only really know them from reputation someone will have to back me up on this. Would Dr. Light (post Identity Crisis) from DC comics and Magneto from Marvel's Ultimate comics count?

k410ren Since: Jan, 2016
#788: Jul 9th 2019 at 4:42:02 PM

Don’t know the works.

Am I okay to do a draft for Ramsay Snow?

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Riley1sCool Since: Dec, 2014
#789: Jul 9th 2019 at 5:33:48 PM

I'd say Light... probably. They do their best to make him Evil Is Cool in Identity Crisis at points but they abandoned that quick. Magneto? Probably not, he sounds AWFUL but like they wanted him to be sympathetic and cool.

SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
The Draftsman of Doom
#790: Jul 9th 2019 at 7:47:35 PM

[up][up]3 more [tup] than [tdown] means you should start writing.

k410ren Since: Jan, 2016
#791: Jul 9th 2019 at 8:05:15 PM

Right. It’s just that I’m used to how things are run on the Complete Monster cleanup thread, where you need 5+[tup] to write.

  • ‘’A Song of Ice and Fire’’ fanfic ‘’Our Blades Are Sharp’’: Ramsay Snow proves to be just as vile and depraved as both his canon counterparts. A Serial Killer and Serial Rapist, he roams the lands under the Dreadfort’s jurisdiction for two years, raping and murdering anyone he and his gang the Bastard’s Boys come across, then either flaying them or giving their corpses to be raped by his necrophiliac henchman Reek. Ramsay’s goal is to murder his legitimate half-brother Domeric and succeed their father Lord Roose Bolton as Lord of the Dreadfort. To that end, he murders his mother and burns down his home to fake his death, a crime so deplorable that Lord Bolton had him neutralized as a threat and tortured for the rest of his days. Inspiring fear and hatred in all that knew of him, Ramsay ensured none would mourn his demise.

Edited by k410ren on Jul 9th 2019 at 11:05:56 AM

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LionKingAlex Master of the Fanfic Arts from The Sanctum Sanctorum Since: Oct, 2018
Master of the Fanfic Arts
#792: Jul 10th 2019 at 12:28:31 AM

[up][up][up][up][up][up][up] As already established, the Hate Sink trope is more objective than Complete Monster, and I know I've done the due diligence of writing said character in a way that elicits hatred from readers. There are no Creator's Pest tendencies at work here.

So, I need two more [tup] to start writing?

Edited by LionKingAlex on Jul 10th 2019 at 9:33:11 PM

Kylotrope Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it) from Honolulu Hawaii Since: Apr, 2018
Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it)
#793: Jul 10th 2019 at 3:11:26 AM

@Riley

Wait, Ultimate!Magneto coming off as Loathable and Monstrous was an Accident? All this time, I assumed it was on Purpose to separate him from his 616 self.

And [tup] to Whine

Edited by Kylotrope on Jul 10th 2019 at 3:12:04 AM

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SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
The Draftsman of Doom
#794: Jul 10th 2019 at 5:07:14 AM

Technically, Alex, since you approved him in your own EP, you ony needed 2 more, and you have them.

ElfenLiedFan90 Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression) from Jakarta,Indonesia Since: Aug, 2017 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression)
#795: Jul 10th 2019 at 6:25:40 AM

Alrighty... In that case. Sure on your candidate Alex and once my story is done, I might going to propose someone from there

"Making screw-ups and mistakes was I ever really good at. Because everything I touch went to hell."
Professorchaos56 Yet another overworked cashier from Trapped in my own head Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: I want you to want me
Yet another overworked cashier
#796: Jul 10th 2019 at 12:11:43 PM

If anyone would like to research and make an effort-post for Dr. Light and Ultimate Magneto, go ahead. I know nothing about either of them and don't have the time or the desire to learn about them. I just tossing ideas in. I also think the comicbook version Red Mist/The Mother#!*>er would probably be a good candidate.

SithPanda16 Since: Feb, 2016 Relationship Status: I know
#798: Jul 12th 2019 at 10:07:19 PM

I am surprised to see Mercer Frey from Skyrim is not mentioned yet. Not only is he a condescending Jerkass to the player character, he steals from the thieves' guild treasury, and betrays the player

Edited by SithPanda16 on Jul 12th 2019 at 10:08:14 AM

Draxterrus An Eldritch Troper Since: May, 2019 Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
An Eldritch Troper
#799: Jul 13th 2019 at 12:17:00 AM

[up] Would you like to discuss him yourself? The template for the "effort post" is just at the top of the page inside the 'Click to Expand' folder.

Humanity is defined by its absurdity, and I am no exception.
LionKingAlex Master of the Fanfic Arts from The Sanctum Sanctorum Since: Oct, 2018
Master of the Fanfic Arts
#800: Jul 13th 2019 at 3:55:33 AM

I'd encourage you to effortpost him, since I, too, have always found Mercer to be quite smarmy and unlikable, in stark contrast to Brynjolf.


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