The main concern of a Hate Sink is whether the narrative treats the character as someone intended to be despised.
The character in question must actually display detestable qualities, and be hated by other characters at least, or treated by the narrative like someone you are supposed to hate. The author's declared intent cements an example, but is not needed if the narrative itself treats the character as someone who is supposed to be hated.
A Hate Sink may have charismatic traits, a troubled past, or complexity, but in order for this trope to be in effect, such traits must be de-emphasized by the narrative in favour of their detestable traits.
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Edited by gjjones on Dec 3rd 2020 at 7:43:25 AM
From HateSink.Dragon Ball:
- Downplayed with Chi-Chi. Akira Toriyama stated that he did not like Chi-Chi's character as much and intended for her to be a stereotypical "mean" Japanese mother who doesn't contribute much to the show. Her only role was to be a gag character that the other characters disagree with, to keep the main characters from doing their thing (her education-related goal for Gohan is portrayed as an obstacle for the main heroes of the show), and for her to be irrational and unreasonable towards the main protagonists.
This reads less like "character the author wanted you to hate" and more like "character who nags the heroes". IK Chi-Chi isn't very well-liked so I have my suspicions this was put here to stealth-bash her. Especially since Dragon Ball has plenty of actual villains who definitely fit the trope.
I don't want the world, I just want your half.I noticed Baby is also still listed; there was consensus to cut him, right?
Your goateed philistine is sashaying towards us. | 🧱I also support cutting both Baby and Chi-Chi.
He/His/Him. No matter who you are, always Be Yourself.Seems like someone already removed Baby since I don't see him on the page.
I removed Chi-Chi
Edited by LoadsAndLoadsOfFreeTime on Jan 6th 2025 at 1:37:47 PM
I don't want the world, I just want your half.Yeah, scratch Chi-Chi. It kinda makes sense she'd have a fit that her husband keeps trying to get their child to fight powerful psychopaths.
Here's my home address, social media, and bank account!This is in Creator's Pest but is still stands: Dragon Ball:
- Akira Toriyama admitted that, "I'm really not fond of Chi-Chi as a character," and he didn't enjoy drawing the character in a TV anime guide's interview with him and animator Nakatsuru.
What he meant:
Nakatsuru: Who do you prefer: Bulma or Chi-Chi? Toriyama: To be honest, I’m really not fond of Chi-Chi as a character. (laughs) In the middle of the comic, I started to think, “I don’t want to draw her anymore,” and, sort of as a way of spiting myself, I decided, “you’ll have to draw her if she gets married to Goku, so marry them off!” So, I drew her as a kind of punishment. (laughs)
Nakatsuru: So that was your reason behind it! (laughs)
Toriyama: The women I draw all have the same sort of personality. I can’t draw gentle girls; I only know how to draw ones who are strong-willed.
When Toriyama meant by he dislike Chi Chi he was referring to her in the Pilaf Saga as he didn't like drawing gentle girls which explains why Chi Chi Took a Level in Jerkass from the Piccolo Jr Saga onwards
Edited by KawhiMidoriya1 on Jan 7th 2025 at 4:58:56 AM
That seems more like Creator's Pest. If Chi-Chi doesn't have an entry there maybe she could get one.
Edited by PhiSat on Jan 7th 2025 at 3:41:37 AM
Oissu!I'm curious as to what everyone here thinks of Hector Salamanca. He is a horrid human being (Jerkass par excellence, cold-blooded and sadistic killer, abusive to his nephews) but at the same time, he does refuse to rat other criminals (even Jesse, who helped kill Tuco, and Gus, who wiped out his family and cartel). His love for family, while sincere, is also extremely murky given how he also corrupted and abused them into violent, psychotic killers, but I feel his relationship with them is given some pathos when he decides to die in a suicide bombing against Gus.
My question ultimately is this: should Hector's death, given that it is played as a triumphant defeat of Gus (which is somewhat ironic given the latter is arguably the more sympathetic of the two) be considered a disqualifying factor? Or is his character so utterly detestable that these redeeming qualities don't count? I think he keeps, but I'm curious about other people's thoughts.
Here's my home address, social media, and bank account!
Yeah, merely being a Creator's Pest doesn't make you a Hate Sink. I already cut her anyway.
As someone familiar with the work, Hector sounds like a cut to me, but I'll wait for what others have to say.
Edited by LoadsAndLoadsOfFreeTime on Jan 8th 2025 at 10:44:04 AM
I don't want the world, I just want your half.I'm well aware that Kotaro Shimura can not be considered a Hate Sink but because he lacks a fanbase as a result of his actions which caused Shigaraki to became the person he is would be qualify as a scrappy as a result of his lack of fans?
In a way he's similar to that of Hiromi Shiota in which her actions towards Nagisa would easily qualify her as a Hate Sink but because she was Easily Forgiven and a majority of the fanbase still despises her for her actions she's considered a scrappy.
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Hector has always been portrayed as at least mildly sympathetic due to his illness, Honour Among Thieves and, mainly, his love (however warped) for his family. The only exception perhaps is his first few scenes in Better Call Saul, but as the show progresses there are more sympathetic moments. His death scene is clearly meant to be somewhat triumphant for him. So I don't think he counts. You're meant to hate him at times, but not all the time and not just hate him.
After watching All of Us Are Dead, I have some doubts about Yoon Gwi-Nam.
- Hate Sink: His cruel actions as one of the worst bullies in Hyosan high school essentially kick start the apocalypse. Once the outbreak begins, he throws four people into the zombies with no hesitation. It gets worse once he turns.
While I admit he is a Jerkass and the main responsible for everything that happened in the series, I think he still has some Evil Is Cool moments that make him less hateable.
Also, in my point of view, he is tame compared to several other hateable jerks like Lee Na-yeon, Kim Cheol-soo, Son Myung-hwan, and The Principal.
Edited by StalkerGamer on Jan 8th 2025 at 11:49:58 AM
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I mean, his illness doesn't strike me as being played for sympathy, more as something that makes him appear feeble instead of a monstrous killer. His love for family is genuine, but it's muddled by his abusive behavior that molded his nephews into cold-blooded killers. Having said that, I very much agree with you about his honor among thieves and triumphant death.
Characters.Sonic The Hedgehog Film Series Earthlings
- Hate Sink:
- In the first movie, Rachel urges her sister Maddie to divorce Tom for no apparent reason before he becomes wanted by the government. Rachel is also a loud contrarian in every scene in which she appears. She never even comes around by the end, but since the couple are continuing their life in Green Hills, it's a non-issue. Even so, Rachel is written with the intention that the audience will dislike her.
- By Sonic the Hedgehog 2, it's averted, as Rachel is no longer written to be intentionally disliked. Rachel Took a Level in Kindness by tolerating Tom's presence much more (she still makes it clear she dislikes him, but she acts more outwardly civil to him and isn't constantly trying to get Maddie to divorce him anymore). While she's unhappy when Sonic shows up to her wedding to Randall, Rachel's shown to be justified in being upset. Rachel also actively helps Maddie rescue Tom, Sonic, and Tails after G.U.N. locks them up. This allows Rachel to earn a happy ending, as Randall confesses that he was an undercover G.U.N. agent meant to trap Sonic, but he really did fall in love with Rachel as time went on.
Even ignoring the second film, I don't think Rachel count. She's just a jerk who disaproves her sister's marriage. That's pretty tame for HS standards.
I actually vote in favor of keeping Gwi-Nam. Evil Is Cool is subjective, and I don't think it's appropriate to say that he's "tame" when he's objectively the most despicable person in the entire show.
Edited by TiMBer1566 on Jan 9th 2025 at 3:11:45 PM
I was looking through Oldboy (2003)'s character page, and found this on Oh Dae-su's folder:
Hate Sink: He refuses to listen to his wife's legitimate concerns of his alcoholism, refuses to put away his drinking habit on his daughter's birthday, being arrested on the same day because he couldn't control himself (and it's made clear this isn't the first time he's been a raging , refuses to listen to the suicidal man's story on the rooftop and abandons him, steals a bike from an old lady and attempts to rape Mi-do.
Aside from lacking a general summary of his personality and being a CM-lite entry, the trope Anti-Hero, listed above, literally says in the description that he's supposed to be a sympathetic character. And he's listed as a WOOBIE under YMMV. I haven't seen the film, but this seems like a clear cut to me. Unless there's some more misinformation with the Woobie and Anti-Hero descriptions...
I actually brought that up
a little while back, but didn't get around to removing it
Found this from Cowboy Bebop Other Characters, under Lee Sampson's folder:
Hate Sink: Unlike nearly every other villain in the series and excluding the general setting, there is nothing about him that seems fantastical or larger-than-life. He may not be an ambitious crime boss who slaughters his way to power, a crazy eco-terrorist, a genetically-engineered soldier who's gone insane from the experiments, or even someone with high ambitions. He's instead simply a psychopathic teenager whose For the Evulz Fame Through Infamy motivation and subsequent monstrous actions born from that do, frighteningly, This example contains a YMMV entry. It should be moved to the YMMV tab.hit closer to home for the audience. As a result, Lee stands out for how much he does and shows how someone as small-time as him can be especially monstrous, which combined with a lack of any sympathetic, tragic, or even remotely likable or cool traits, makes him especially hateable to the audience.
This entry is too long, and the trope Laughably Evil is listed on his folder too. I think he's a cut.
Cut Sampson. He’s way too intentionally Laughably Evil in his apathetic cruelty.
Edited by PassingThrough on Jan 9th 2025 at 9:30:51 AM

Yeah, merely being a murderer doesn't mean you're a hate sink
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