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RedSavant Since: Jan, 2001
#101: Feb 21st 2019 at 12:09:25 AM

I mean, she's clearly feeling harried given that she's being left out of the loop because she's at work during school and during study meetings, and I can buy her doing something drastic without thinking through exactly what she's doing - Miku did something similar in Scrambled Eggs. She's lonely and feels like she's being left out, and "big sister" or not, she is still the same age as all of them.

My guess, and hope, is that this ends within three pages of next chapter. Futaro isn't going to buy this after his talk with Miku in the lodge, and the whole of this chapter is him pointing out things he's noticed about the sisters individual of each other. Most importantly, his question isn't "Really?", it's "Is that a lie?". Miku isn't a liar and Futaro doesn't think she is; Ichika is, and they had just spoken about that before. I think he knows. It's still a bad thing to do, but let's remember we're seeing Ichika in a moment of weakness. Still worst girl though. That's just numbers.

Edited by RedSavant on Feb 21st 2019 at 3:11:54 PM

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Ikedatakeshi Baby dango from singapore Since: Nov, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
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#102: Feb 21st 2019 at 12:20:26 AM

She definitely thought about what she is doing though. The three panels of her sisters and what they say are meant to indicate that.

RedSavant Since: Jan, 2001
#103: Feb 21st 2019 at 12:25:43 AM

Thought about it, but I don't think she's thought it through per se. I'm hoping that this is a momentary lapse of judgement and that she'll be ashamed of herself for it when it catches up to her and she realizes that she just (tried to) sabotage Miku in the lowest way she could. She sure as hell doesn't look smug or happy in that last panel.

Also, can't say I like the mild yandere vibes, either.

Edited by RedSavant on Feb 21st 2019 at 3:26:40 PM

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Ikedatakeshi Baby dango from singapore Since: Nov, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
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#104: Feb 21st 2019 at 12:39:11 AM

Considering she became more mature and responsible due to the death of their mother, the dilemma of having feelings for Fuutarou and potentially ruining her relationships with her sisters and the stress she had from that, no, I don't think this is something that comes from a momentary lapse of judgement, especially since there's nothing significant throughout the chapter that would make her suddenly throw that away. Fuutarou merely acts dense towards her attempts at getting his attention and her sisters are having progress in their attempts at pursuing him. If that's all it takes to set her off, then it wouldn't have taken so long to began with.

If this was, say, after Nino made her confession, sure, I can buy that this sudden change might make her desperate, but so far what happens in this chapter is small potatoes compared to before.

Edited by Ikedatakeshi on Feb 22nd 2019 at 4:41:25 AM

RedSavant Since: Jan, 2001
#105: Feb 21st 2019 at 12:42:18 AM

Well, we'll have to see, I think. You're definitely right that nothing super big has changed since then, but that wasn't too long ago for the characters, either. Maybe it was how he reacted when she said she could impersonate Nino that reminded Ichika about what had happened?

How Futaro reacts, and where she takes things from here, will factor massively into any future changes to the Best Girl board.

Edited by RedSavant on Feb 21st 2019 at 3:44:25 PM

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#106: Feb 21st 2019 at 1:49:26 AM

I think Futarou already know that it not Miku, he just try to find out which one is pretend to be Miku base on the conversation. he said Miku told him about Ichika movie but it not, it was Yotsuba.

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RedSavant Since: Jan, 2001
#107: Feb 21st 2019 at 2:01:33 AM

^Oh, good catch!

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#108: Feb 21st 2019 at 11:46:25 AM

So he knows it's not Miku then. So now he has to figure out which one it is.

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#109: Feb 21st 2019 at 12:19:42 PM

You know, it'd be funny as hell for Itsuki to win. You know why? Because she's the only one who hasn't tried to manipulate or trick Fuutarou in any way compared to the others. She wins by literally doing absolutely nothing and just being herself.

The irony would be great.

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SpookyMask Since: Jan, 2011
#110: Feb 21st 2019 at 12:21:04 PM

I'd still be annoyed since Miku is still most developed and Itsuki least developed tongue

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#111: Feb 21st 2019 at 12:28:58 PM

Being developed doesn't necessitate you'd make a good romantic partner. Ichika is very well developed, but I don't think anyone is going to support her any more after this chapter.

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#112: Feb 21st 2019 at 1:15:25 PM

Meanwhile over here somewhat disappointed that Yotsuba basically bowed out of the race without ever having really done anything.

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#113: Feb 21st 2019 at 1:52:10 PM

I have the sneaking suspicion that Fuutarou might have to play dumb here; if he exposes and confronts her now, its just going to make things awkward when they have to take the exam. However, things are only going to blow up worse later on.

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RedSavant Since: Jan, 2001
#114: Feb 21st 2019 at 4:23:16 PM

I hope that's not the case. Fortunately, this series is usually pretty good about not letting awkward misunderstandings last forever (blond Futaro aside, and Futaro figured that one out fast, so). The best course of action is probably to nip this in the bud, before things get any worse or - god forbid - before Miku finds out.

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#115: Feb 21st 2019 at 5:02:11 PM

If this situation blows up now, its going to jeopardize their chances on passing.

Oh and I don't really think this is Oo C for Ichika; she's always been kind of...underhanded. Even Yotsuba said she's always been like that. One of the earliest examples I can say is when she, inadvertently, sabotaged Miku's confession at the end of Seven Goodbyes.

She probably had no ill-intent behind it, but she had already known Miku wanted to confess after passing and had no other reason for passing that test otherwise. She had the second lowest grades, keep that in mind and then suddenly jumped to being the top when Miku was on top before.

She's never really played fair.

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Ikedatakeshi Baby dango from singapore Since: Nov, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
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#116: Feb 21st 2019 at 5:30:43 PM

How on earth is that underhanded? She didn't cheat on her test and has to work, so getting the highest grade would be even harder for her. She has no obligation to allow Miku to win, because she has her own feelings too, and even then she shows guilt immediately afterwards. Miku lost fair and square.

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#117: Feb 21st 2019 at 5:38:21 PM

Like you said, she had to study and work too...so why would she try so hard to get such a high score? And Miku specifically told her that she wanted to confess if she passed.

Its underhanded because she does things to subvert her sisters' efforts (She also didn't stall her Dad when Nino wanted a moment alone with Fuutarou), but is only willing to be forward herself when she's certain Fuutarou can't recognize her. (Note how she tried to kiss him when she was disguised as Itsuki)

I'm not saying she's a bad person, but her actions are not that of somebody who is honest. All I'm saying is that this isn't really out of nowhere. She's just...baring her fangs so to speak.

Edited by BlackYakuzu94 on Feb 21st 2019 at 8:40:36 AM

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#118: Feb 21st 2019 at 5:49:06 PM

Because she's in love with Fuutarou too? That she wants to bet on this chance to decide whether or not she should continue pursuing Fuutarou? She is not obligated to Miku for anything. She did not sabotage any of Miku's effort. She got first place because she put in more effort than Miku did. Yes, she knows Miku's feelings, but that doesn't mean she can't fight for own feelings.

The entire point of Yotsuba talking to Ichika is to tell her she should fight for herself. As for Nino, Yotsuba was the one who invited her out for a talk, and she was perfectly willing to continue looking out for her father beforehand, and during said talk she wanted to go back to help Nino.

RedSavant Since: Jan, 2001
#119: Feb 21st 2019 at 6:08:14 PM

I will agree with Yakuzu that Ichika's most motivated moments come when someone else is pulling ahead and she has the chance to step in front of them. She's not obligated to curtail herself or her efforts to allow her sisters to succeed, but nor does she make a strong effort on her own most of the time - she's not as confident as Miku or Nino on that front. It's not a bad thing and I don't mean to make it sound like she's amoral or anything; it's just that she's too timid to make big steps herself, so she often ends up feeling like she has to rush to make up for it when other people move forward.

For better or for worse, Ichika is not honest. I won't say underhanded, but she's also one of the most insular and closed-off of the sisters, possibly the most. She kept her acting work a secret, to the point where she wasn't initially going to tell her sisters why she missed their yearly fireworks, after all, and it's been repeatedly pointed out that she's a great actress and generally good at impersonating her sisters. It's not necessarily a bad thing; it's part of her character. But this latest chapter is the first time she's actively, knowingly sabotaged one of her sisters instead of by accident like with the test, and I don't think that's a line the sisters want to cross. There's a big difference between fighting for your own feelings by putting in more effort and fighting to damage others' efforts through cheating. If love is a footrace, this isn't putting on more speed; this is ducking off the track, putting on your opponent's number, and telling the judges you forfeit and the skilled and athletic other person should totally win.

To be clear, I don't think she's crossed that line yet, but only because Futaro knows it's her.

Edited by RedSavant on Feb 21st 2019 at 9:14:43 AM

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#120: Feb 21st 2019 at 6:10:25 PM

[up][up]You're misunderstanding me; I never said she is not allowed to fight for her love, nor did I say she is obligated to consider Miku's feelings.

All I said is what she did was underhanded...because it is. She was privy to knowledge that others weren't aware of and used it to her advantage, that is the very definition of underhanded. Fucking hell man, Ichika herself admitted that she didn't want anyone else going after Fuutarou. Come on.

Once again, and because I believe you're misunderstanding me, this does not make her a bad person. She is who she is.

[up] Exactly. It's not that she's a snake who will step on people's throats for her own hands...but she's also not really honest about her feelings (whether its with her sisters, the guy she likes, and even herself) and only puts forth effort in something when her sisters are going after it.

Edited by BlackYakuzu94 on Feb 21st 2019 at 9:15:07 AM

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RedSavant Since: Jan, 2001
#121: Feb 21st 2019 at 6:16:29 PM

I think a lot rides on what happens next chapter, really. If Ichika is repentant then I'm willing to give her the pass; so long as she's truly sorry and won't do it again, then it's no harm, no foul. But if she refuses to apologize, then I guess Futaro should probably get into the habit of tugging on the sisters' hair before he talks to them.

^Exactly. I don't think this is "mwahaha, I'll destroy all of Miku's efforts!", it's "oh, no, everyone is going to take him away from me and they'll leave me behind and I don't know what to do". She's desperate and made a bad choice that I don't think she would have if she wasn't under duress.

I mean, come on. She tried to get Futaro to skip school. She's not planning this, she's desperately reaching.

Edited by RedSavant on Feb 21st 2019 at 9:19:43 AM

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#122: Feb 21st 2019 at 6:24:18 PM

If nothing else, this feels like a deliberate attempt to get her out of the race for Fuutarou. Tactics like these are a clear flag for "losers". It's rather ugly and destructive but its not out of character either, and it's perfectly valid for the author to do. Sucks for Ichika fans though I admit, cuz seeing her like this isn't fun at all.

But if she ended up being the bride, it would be a pretty a Family-Unfriendly Aesop "Hey kids, it's ok to lie to get what you want"

Like, even if she apologizes and they make up, I can't really see her in the running after this and she might willingly bow out. Like you said, she's always been the most distant due to taking on the "big sister" role.

Edited by BlackYakuzu94 on Feb 21st 2019 at 9:26:40 AM

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Ikedatakeshi Baby dango from singapore Since: Nov, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
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#123: Feb 21st 2019 at 6:24:35 PM

I can understand being desperate, but caring about her sisters is also a big part of her character. That she was the one most conflicted about knowing that her sisters are in love with the man she has feelings for. That she felt responsible to act as the mature one since their mother died. If she simply forced a kiss, confessed directly, or otherwise make any other desperate move and morally controversial move, fine, but not actuality sabotaging her sister's effort by pretending to be her and saying said sister would support their relationship.

Edited by Ikedatakeshi on Feb 21st 2019 at 10:27:54 PM

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#124: Feb 21st 2019 at 6:29:43 PM

Yea, see forcing a kiss and confessing is something she wouldn't do. She just admitted that she can't be as forward about this as Nino. The fact that she's so conflicted is why she's taking these desperate actions.

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RedSavant Since: Jan, 2001
#125: Feb 21st 2019 at 6:29:50 PM

I'm willing to give the author the benefit of the doubt here and see what happens next week, and how this changes things later. Like I said, if this doesn't actually go anywhere then it could be an opening into Futaro asking Ichika to be more open with herself and her sisters.

If she does end up being (one of) the bride(s), then I'm sure it won't be as a result of this. Going along in this character direction would destroy her character, and the author successfully rehabilitated Nino after her first act was drugging Futaro. So I'm willing to wait and see.

Edited by RedSavant on Feb 21st 2019 at 9:31:13 AM

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