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Ambiguously Asexual was launched last (?) year but was cut a few days afterwards.
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The reason given on the page is that it was a stub, not that it wasn't a tropeworthy concept.
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Bonnie's Artistic Cousin
If you click the red link, it tells you why it was cut. That page was cut for being a stub.
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I would suspect that that reasoning was bogus...
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It is. That reasoning refers to a separate TLP. I made the previous Ambiguously Asexual and it was launched in a non-stub form. It had a long description and well over 20 entries. It was later brought up in TLP Cleanup and cut.
Edit:
Found the post bringing it up in TLP Crash circa 2016:
"Firstly, we need another "Ambiguously X" trope like we need a bullet to the brain.
Secondly it's pretty much a straight-up fan reaction. Lord Gro made an excellent post in the TLP that, while the creator responded, really didn't address his issues. And the description is vague enough that literally every example of Chaste Hero also applies.
But even so vague, the examples are a mess. There's a married father of two in there. There are explicitly asexual characters in there. There's a character literally described as "boy crazy" in there. Tons of entries are solely discussing an audience reaction.
On a philosophical level, it bothers me because it treats the lack of evidence for a person's sexuality as evidence of asexuality.
I've given up on fixing Ambiguously Bi and Ambiguously Gay, but we can at least nip this one in the bud. There's a trope here, but it's buried beneath garbage."
Edited by Pichu-kun on Jan 10th 2019 at 7:39:03 AM
No, the other one.
In short, the troper base is not well-behaved enough to handle ambiguity. It's more about "why we can't have nice things" than a matter of whether it's a trope.
Although, regarding all of these "Ambiguous" tropes, I'd say that sexuality doesn't matter unless it's brought up in the work somehow. That is, unless the work plays on the ambiguity, it's not a trope. Speculation about what it could be is an Audience Reaction.
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If a page is cut twice, the reasoning for the first cut is the one left there. Apparently there was an Ambiguously Asexual at least before 2014
that had been cut.
By the way, here's the discussion for Ambiguously Asexual in the TLP rescue thread. The thread was near-unanimous that it should be cut, with only one tepid defender.
Thanks for the information. I understand and agree with the reasoning behind it being cut in that form. My question is simply whether or not there's a possibility of creating the trope with the reworked definition of "a character who isn't explicitly referred to as asexual but has their lack of interest in sexuality lampshaded." I get how opening it up to fan reaction would cause some issues in terms of misuse of the trope and the term asexual though.
There is no war in Ba Sing Se.
Yeah, one big criteria on being asexual is when they make a comment to it themselves. "I just don't have any interest in anyone", yet he gets significantly close to someone. Something like that. The reverse ("I like X and/or Y" yet they just never act on it, nor do the narration or other characters ever point that out) is just not workable.
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Edited by crazysamaritan on Jan 11th 2019 at 7:41:29 AM
Link to TRS threads in project mode here.
Alrighty, given that it seems somewhat plausible, I think I'll at least propose a YKTTW with the clearer description. Thanks for the feedback.
There is no war in Ba Sing Se.
How, exactly?
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- Code Geass Lelouch Lamperouge:, who has many characters, such as Shirley, Kallen, and Milly vying for his affection, along with every girl in his school. Lelouch, however, is a Celibate Hero who doesn't have the time for romance. Instead, he focuses on winning a war for his little sister. The only reason we know he's not a Chaste Hero is because of that one time he asked Kallen to "comfort" him.
- In Marvel Star Wars, most of the time Luke Skywalker is one of these. Pre-ROTJ comics have him interested in Leia and shy about going through with a Relationship Upgrade, but also unwilling to look at someone else because of her. Until very late in the series he actively runs away from Zeltrons, an entire species who think he's the most gorgeous man alive, and he puts up with the attentions of one who becomes an ally only reluctantly. He seems shy and massively taken aback when people express interest in him.
- Celestia declares both Luna and herself this in The God Empress of Ponykind, saying that neither sister will take a mate or lover while ruling Equestria. This actually turns up in the sequel, The Warmistress of Equestria, when Luna meets Cadence and jumps to the conclusion that Celestia went back on her vow and Cadence is her daughter (she's not).
- A parody of this character type can be seen in the movie Monty Python and the Holy Grail with the hero "Galahad the Pure", who finds himself visiting a castle filled with nubile, eager young virgins whose charms he (unsuccessfully) tries to resist, but much to his dismay he is 'rescued' by Lancelot. Many of the King Arthur stories this movie is based on feature similar scenarios with chaste, chivalrous heroes having to face temptation from virginal and Vampish seductresses.
- The Dresden Files: Having Carlos, who until that point certainly talked a good game, outed as a virgin by said succubus must have taken some of the sting out of it (or at least given him an ample means of redirecting the mockery). It also makes him another example, though his reason (for that matter, whether it's a conscious choice or just lack of opportunity) isn't explored.
- Patrick Jane on The Mentalist has apparently made a Heroic Vow to avenge his wife before indulging in pleasures of the flesh. He turned down two attractive ladies at a bar who made a pass at him, flashing his wedding ring and telling them he was married. Jane sometimes flirts with women, but it usually ends with the outing of a suspect.
- Emilie Autumn has shunned romantic and sexual relationships after the situations which caused her to write the Woman Scorned part of her Opheliac album (Bad situations in the past). Just her crumpets and her plague rats/muffins now....also falls into "Love is A distraction" excuse. She makes all her music on her own and sets up her own tours. Does not have the time, does not want the time.
- Hanuman of the Hindu Mythology is known to be a celibate god, though there are many versions which depict Hanuman having lovers depending on the country.
- As surprising as it may seem, Epicurus and his philosophy Epicureanism advises to be this. Indeed while judging pleasure to be the highest good, Epicurus made a classification of pleasure: 1) The natural and necessary ones (eating and sleeping), 2) The natural but unnecessary (sex) and 3) The unnecessary and unnatural (power and politics). Giving that accoding to Epicurus sex fits the second type and that he himself never married and had no children, it's pretty clear that he encouraged people to be single.
- The Thief series' protagonist, Garrett the master thief, is implied to be one of these. In his own opinion, romantic relationships would take his focus away from his true love: Heists and pilfered loot. That said, Garrett does show feelings of affection or concern for a few women, but it's ambiguous whether there's anything romantic behind it.
- Rolf from Ed, Edd n Eddy. He is the only character in the entire cast who hasn't shown any romantic interest in Dude Magnet Nazz (besides Jimmy), or any other person, female or male. He was also the only one not affected by the cupids in the Valentine's Day special, and being the one who saved the day to boot.
I was looking through this site to see if there was a trope for Ambiguous Asexuality, and found that drafts for it have been nuked twice. I understand that the main reasons for nuking it was that the way the descriptions were phrase the trope was "too subjective." In my humble opinion, Ambiguously Asexual or Ambiguously Aroace is as valid a trope as Ambiguously Gay or Ambiguously Bi. I feel that redefining the trope to "characters who lampshade their lack of interest in sex (and relationships if redefined further to aroace) would solve the ambiguity issue. However, I'm looking for opinions and suggestions on whether or not to reattempt a launch and/or how to further eliminate issues. Thoughts?
There is no war in Ba Sing Se.