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Unfortunate Implications examples require specific citations. However, many tropers have difficulties distinguishing if a citation fits the criteria needed. That is where this thread thread comes into play.

Confused about whether a citation is legit enough? Ask here then.

07/24/2022 Update: Per this TRS thread, Unfortunate Implications is now Flame Bait, so wicks on non-Flame Bait pages need to be either removed or moved to Unfortunate Implications subpages; the cleanup work has been deferred to this thread.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Jul 24th 2022 at 4:07:46 AM

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#626: Mar 13th 2021 at 5:41:00 PM

I could stand to remove the bit about Sia attacking the autistic actors who criticized the casting choice, but I think that Maddie crying is relevant since it shows that even she was aware of the implications and worried about how it would make her look.

DrakeClawfang Since: Apr, 2010
#627: Mar 17th 2021 at 5:37:51 PM

Hello. I was looking to add Unfortunate Implications to the Kingdom Hearts YMMV for its rather infamous poor treatment of its female characters. I'm wondering if these would count as reputable sources?

SuperJump at medium.com, GameSkinny, Kingdom Hearts Union/Ultimania.

I have a more reliable source (Polygon) to do an entry, but am wondering if these are worth including as well.

Edited by DrakeClawfang on Mar 17th 2021 at 5:38:02 AM

GoodGamer14 Since: Aug, 2015
#628: Mar 17th 2021 at 5:52:47 PM

[up]I'm surprised nobody had added an Unfortunate Implications entry there yet.

If you gonna do it, write it from an observer point of view rather than a fan's or it's going to sound very complain-y.

Edited by GoodGamer14 on Mar 17th 2021 at 6:55:52 AM

DrakeClawfang Since: Apr, 2010
#629: Mar 17th 2021 at 5:55:55 PM

Honestly so am I. While discussions on Xion, Namine, and Aqua vary, there's no defending Kairi sadly.

EDIT: oh, absolutely, no worries. Not my first rodeo. :)

Edited by DrakeClawfang on Mar 17th 2021 at 5:56:34 AM

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#630: Mar 17th 2021 at 6:04:32 PM

I recommend including all three of the links to prove this isn't just one blogger.

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DrakeClawfang Since: Apr, 2010
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#632: Mar 17th 2021 at 6:25:01 PM

I'm honestly surprised that people think Kingdom Hearts is sexist.

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#633: Mar 17th 2021 at 6:28:54 PM

As a gal, I do experience issues surrounding Kairi's treatment as a Damsel in Distress in most of Kingdom Hearts. But in my opinion, calling the series sexist feels too much of a stretch.

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#634: Mar 17th 2021 at 6:32:45 PM

Unfortunate Implications doesn't mean "this series is as a whole pushing sexism." It can just mean "this specific moment or plot has uncomfortable, unintentional undertones."

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DrakeClawfang Since: Apr, 2010
#635: Mar 17th 2021 at 6:53:02 PM

[up]Agreed. In my personal opinion, the problem isn't "Kingdom Hearts is sexist" and more "Kingdom Hearts doesn't know how to write women well".

Anyway, entry is up. I did my best to maintain a neutral position and stick to the points covered in the linked articles.

jjjj2 from Arrakis Since: Jul, 2015
#636: Mar 17th 2021 at 7:00:50 PM

Um... that example broke proper example writing protocols. The *** about Kairi needs to be merged into the upper one.

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#638: Mar 20th 2021 at 7:15:44 PM

Fromm Pop Quiz Hotshot:

  • Unfortunate Implications: This recap points the issues of the only woman being there against her will, and the only black guy having zero lines even when he's being talked to.

Only evidence is a single random blog, delete?

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PlasmaPower Piece of Cake. Since: Jan, 2015
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#639: Mar 25th 2021 at 12:34:00 PM

YMMV.Caillou

No. Just... No...

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#640: Mar 25th 2021 at 12:50:10 PM

[up] That's just gross. Kill them both.

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#642: Mar 25th 2021 at 12:52:56 PM

[up] If anything, that would be Have a Gay Old Time, but... yuck. Has that interpretation gained any traction outside of the sleezy corners of the internet?

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#643: Mar 25th 2021 at 1:31:12 PM

[up] I've heard "Daddy" was actually slang for "boyfriend" as far back as the roaring '20s, but in the mainstream today it still means "father" to most people whose brains aren't fetish-poisoned to the degree they project daddy kinks onto four year olds.

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DenoTheSaur Since: Mar, 2021
#644: Mar 25th 2021 at 3:26:09 PM

Really strange. Tho to be fair, Caillou's YMMV page is abit weird. Alot of it talks about how Caillou's Mom "left" him with a stranger (as someone who's a big Caillou fan, I've never seen an episode like that. I guess they're talking about "Caillou Is Not Afraid Anymore," where Caillou is scared of Mr. Hinkle, but in that episode, its stated that Caillou's Mom knows about Mr. Hinkle, and plus, she never leaves Caillou alone with Mr. Hinkle so... yeah).

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#645: Mar 25th 2021 at 3:36:01 PM

[up] is that what really happened? Then that pretty much invalidates every entry about that episode I brought up in the complaining thread.

Also, I’m shocked to find someone who likes Caillou. Everyone I know doesn’t like it. I’d also imagine the reaction you get from people when you say you like it. Not saying you’re bad or anything, just that its really surprising.

Edited by PlasmaPower on Mar 25th 2021 at 7:39:26 AM

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DenoTheSaur Since: Mar, 2021
#646: Mar 25th 2021 at 4:02:36 PM

[up] Yeah. I've seen the episode many times and I know what happens.

Yes, I indeed like the show. I like the later seasons (seasons 3, 4, and 5) the most (tho I also like to watch seasons 1 and 2). So far, I haven't gotten a rabid hater attacking me yet, but that'll probably happen someday. Also, do you think we should remove the Awesome Moments page? That page is filled with people powerleveling.

Edited by DenoTheSaur on Mar 25th 2021 at 7:08:03 AM

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#647: Mar 25th 2021 at 4:20:27 PM

[up] We should probably move this somewhere else, since we're derailing from talking about UI entries.

And to answer your question about the Awesome page, there's only two examples and its gushing about the kid being punished.

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#649: Mar 31st 2021 at 6:23:30 PM

This is on Trouble:

Unfortunate Implications: As mentioned under Squick, May looks like Mary Jane Watson and Mary looks like Gwen Stacy. The writers and artists somehow seemed to miss the massive oedipus complex they gave Peter. Even worse, the editors at Marvel at one point considered making this backstory canonical to the main Marvel universe.

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#650: Mar 31st 2021 at 6:26:42 PM

[up] Is there any legit citation here? The fact it was once considered as a legit backstory suggests it wasn't unfortunate either, but deliberate.

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