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Unfortunate Implications examples require specific citations. However, many tropers have difficulties distinguishing if a citation fits the criteria needed. That is where this thread thread comes into play.

Confused about whether a citation is legit enough? Ask here then.

07/24/2022 Update: Per this TRS thread, Unfortunate Implications is now Flame Bait, so wicks on non-Flame Bait pages need to be either removed or moved to Unfortunate Implications subpages; the cleanup work has been deferred to this thread.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Jul 24th 2022 at 4:07:46 AM

PlasmaPower Piece of Cake. Since: Jan, 2015
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#601: Feb 25th 2021 at 10:35:11 AM

How exactly is it "Media"?

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#602: Feb 25th 2021 at 10:46:24 AM

[up] In the sense that a training video is still a video. Some of these seminars can have story aspects too, if they set up hypothetical scenarios about how to be good at work and all.

It's a bit of a stretch, but not so obviously a "real life" example. It could be considered one, but it could also not be?

Edited by mightymewtron on Feb 25th 2021 at 1:46:38 PM

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#603: Feb 25th 2021 at 10:49:03 AM

[up] Some "training videos" involve straight up music-video segments. They definitely have some tropeworthy elements once in a while.

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#604: Feb 27th 2021 at 9:05:56 AM

So... is the example ready to go?

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#605: Feb 27th 2021 at 9:08:39 AM

Where do we put it under ?

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#606: Feb 27th 2021 at 9:14:46 AM

Other.

Edited by GeneralGigan on Feb 28th 2021 at 5:19:41 AM

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#607: Mar 1st 2021 at 6:13:54 PM

Bump.

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#608: Mar 7th 2021 at 3:48:03 PM

So what's the criteria for "reputable" source? Because all I've got for a web comic is forum discussion. Haven't written the example yet but I will if given the go-ahead.

  • Stand Still, Stay Silent is a post-apocalyptic story set in Scandinavia 90 years after civilization was destroyed by a pandemic. Said pandemic's patient zeroes were a group of refugees that arrived by boat in Spain. The Nordic countries are the only ones that have been confirmed to have survived by locking down their borders, up to and including shooting refugees, and the rest of the world is generally assumed to only inhabited by infected monsters. The cast 90 years later is entirely white. While the author herself is Finnish and writes what she knows, the comic has lead to discussion within the community *EDIT: about whether the work plays into xenophobic tropes, such as fears of refugees bringing diseases and causing the collapse of Europe. The fact that comic launched around the beginning of the European Migrant Crisis, with large amounts of asylum seekers arriving in Sweden, hasn't helped matters.

Edited by Morgisboard on Mar 7th 2021 at 8:35:52 AM

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#609: Mar 7th 2021 at 3:52:04 PM

If it's within the community then that sounds like grounds for a Broken Base more than anything.

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#610: Mar 7th 2021 at 3:57:43 PM

[up] The fandom itself hasn't split regarding it, so I don't think it fits Broken Base, the discussion itself kinds of stays on how the work can be interpreted as problematic.

Edit: Another brief burst of discussion: fairly civil by all counts https://ssssforum.com/index.php?topic=134.487

Edited by Morgisboard on Mar 7th 2021 at 7:38:17 AM

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#611: Mar 7th 2021 at 6:54:57 PM

Unless there are alternative places where it's being discussed, I'm leaning towards random forums not being sufficient by themselves.

Anyway, from Raya and the Last Dragon:

Everything from Elena of Avalor onward seems like an excuse to piggyback complaining about other things onto what would've been a valid entry by its lonesome. If the troper wants to talk about it they should move it to the correct page and find the appropriate citation for that specific point.

Besides, as far as Avatar goes, that's not that common of a complaint even these days, mostly because that show is a little more purposeful with how it maps aspects of its fictional nations to various Asian cultural elements. Any complaints on that front tend to come down to personal tastes about whether some cultural elements mix better than others due to the historical contexts of their source nations.

Edited by AlleyOop on Mar 7th 2021 at 9:56:57 AM

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#612: Mar 7th 2021 at 7:22:34 PM

[up]Yeah that other stuff about other films just strays off topic.

In regards to SSSS, aside a correction of the threads being from the fan forum, I guess I'll hold off until I can find a more "official" source. I understand the rules in place, but not meeting the criteria to be put in is just unfortunate. Especially if the work is niche but praised enough that having that sort is discussion is kinda like being a wet blanket.

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#613: Mar 7th 2021 at 7:35:10 PM

The forums thing is complicated. I'd need to know more about the overall size of the fandom and how passionately contentious it can be to see if they can still be cited as a "last resort" kind of resource, but it would be preferable if a more "official" analysis can be found first.

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#614: Mar 7th 2021 at 7:43:02 PM

Fair enough.

I guess it can be put under Ripped from the Headlines or Harsher in Hindsight as the comic launched a few months before the Migrant Crisis began in earnest.

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#615: Mar 7th 2021 at 8:19:56 PM

[up]x4 I've definitely seen increasing criticism of cultural representations in Avatar, at least relative to the long period where that kind of criticism was basically nonexistent even from people who have similar criticisms of other works.

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#616: Mar 11th 2021 at 4:51:24 AM

Akudama Drive has this entry:

While I can immediately see based on Brawler's design why this would cause issues, I'm not sure I've seen any actual discussion of them outside of random places like Reddit, and it's largely complaining about the complaints and calling them hypersensitive. At best the "gorilla" comment sounds like a case of Author's Saving Throw.

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PlasmaPower Piece of Cake. Since: Jan, 2015
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#618: Mar 11th 2021 at 5:06:45 PM

This UI entry's quite a nattery wall of text.

YMMV.Music 2021

Edited by PlasmaPower on Mar 11th 2021 at 9:12:06 AM

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#619: Mar 12th 2021 at 3:05:36 PM

As the one who wrote most of that example, I don't think it's nattery or wall-of-text-y. The example uses multiple bullets because there are several different points to address, which is in accordance with the Example Indentation policy. And since it's split up into multiple examples, it's not a wall of text; none of the individual bullet points are so long that they become hard to read.

Edited by Zuxtron on Mar 12th 2021 at 9:58:32 AM

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#620: Mar 12th 2021 at 6:04:19 PM

[up][up] Wasn't that page supposed to be locked???

Eh, good enough.
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#621: Mar 12th 2021 at 6:10:33 PM

[up] I don't think we were going to lock it. It's a complaint magnet but I don't think it's attracting anything significantly bad like edit wars or flame wars.

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#622: Mar 12th 2021 at 8:00:38 PM

[up][up][up] Eh, I'm pretty sure the bulletin points continuing on from eachother aren't helping your case. Parts of the examples just seems like drama importation and not really relevant to the film at all. And even with all the examples all divided up, it still just mushes together just due to the sheer length of the entry.

Edited by PlasmaPower on Mar 12th 2021 at 12:10:45 PM

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#623: Mar 12th 2021 at 8:16:32 PM

[up] I'm confused what you mean by "drama importation". Every bullet point is about a specific criticism of the film, none involve drama online.

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#624: Mar 13th 2021 at 7:58:39 AM

[up] "It doesn't help that Sia's response later devolved into swearing and insults aimed at the autistic people criticizing the casting choice, or that contradictory statements suggest that the role had always been written with Ziegler in mind. It's worth noting that during shooting, Ziegler herself was so worried about making fun of autistic people that she broke down crying."

It just seems there more to bash the actress than anything. Also seems like a RL example too.

Edited by PlasmaPower on Mar 13th 2021 at 1:43:35 PM

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#625: Mar 13th 2021 at 12:29:20 PM

[up]Bashing Sia, not Maddie (the actress in question). It is irrelevant, though I don't think I'd call it drama importation based on how we seem to define that.

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