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Edited by GastonRabbit on Jul 24th 2022 at 4:07:46 AM
In the sense that a training video is still a video. Some of these seminars can have story aspects too, if they set up hypothetical scenarios about how to be good at work and all.
It's a bit of a stretch, but not so obviously a "real life" example. It could be considered one, but it could also not be?
Edited by mightymewtron on Feb 25th 2021 at 1:46:38 PM
I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.
Some "training videos" involve straight up music-video segments. They definitely have some tropeworthy elements once in a while.
So what's the criteria for "reputable" source? Because all I've got for a web comic is forum discussion. Haven't written the example yet but I will if given the go-ahead.
- Stand Still, Stay Silent is a post-apocalyptic story set in Scandinavia 90 years after civilization was destroyed by a pandemic. Said pandemic's patient zeroes were a group of refugees that arrived by boat in Spain. The Nordic countries are the only ones that have been confirmed to have survived by locking down their borders, up to and including shooting refugees, and the rest of the world is generally assumed to only inhabited by infected monsters. The cast 90 years later is entirely white. While the author herself is Finnish and writes what she knows, the comic has lead to discussion
within the community *EDIT: about whether the work plays into xenophobic tropes, such as fears of refugees bringing diseases and causing the collapse of Europe. The fact that comic launched around the beginning of the European Migrant Crisis, with large amounts of asylum seekers arriving in Sweden, hasn't helped matters.
Edited by Morgisboard on Mar 7th 2021 at 8:35:52 AM
AMA about my unfinished writing projectsIf it's within the community then that sounds like grounds for a Broken Base more than anything.
The fandom itself hasn't split regarding it, so I don't think it fits Broken Base, the discussion itself kinds of stays on how the work can be interpreted as problematic.
Edit: Another brief burst of discussion: fairly civil by all counts
https://ssssforum.com/index.php?topic=134.487
Edited by Morgisboard on Mar 7th 2021 at 7:38:17 AM
AMA about my unfinished writing projectsUnless there are alternative places where it's being discussed, I'm leaning towards random forums not being sufficient by themselves.
Anyway, from Raya and the Last Dragon:
- Unfortunate Implications: As put here
, Raya and the Last Dragon' main criticism is its Cultural Chop Suey of various Southeast Asian cultures to the point of being unrecognizable by its Southeast Asian audiences. Very much not helped in that most of the cast are East Asian actors, which implies Disney views no difference between the various regions of Asia and ends up perpetuating this belief to its general audiences due to how it handles depicting the continent. A similar criticism was made with Disney's Latina Disney Princess television show Elena of Avalor regarding how it utilizes the Cultural Chop Suey trope for Latin America and is nowadays also a criticism of the Avatar: The Last Airbender franchise for Asian cultures as well. The biggest insult is that Disney+ is not available in Southeast Asian countries, meaning that they can't see themselves be represented. And even for Southeast Asians in countries that have Disney+, it is locked behind a premiere access paywall.
Everything from Elena of Avalor onward seems like an excuse to piggyback complaining about other things onto what would've been a valid entry by its lonesome. If the troper wants to talk about it they should move it to the correct page and find the appropriate citation for that specific point.
Besides, as far as Avatar goes, that's not that common of a complaint even these days, mostly because that show is a little more purposeful with how it maps aspects of its fictional nations to various Asian cultural elements. Any complaints on that front tend to come down to personal tastes about whether some cultural elements mix better than others due to the historical contexts of their source nations.
Edited by AlleyOop on Mar 7th 2021 at 9:56:57 AM
Yeah that other stuff about other films just strays off topic.
In regards to SSSS, aside a correction of the threads being from the fan forum, I guess I'll hold off until I can find a more "official" source. I understand the rules in place, but not meeting the criteria to be put in is just unfortunate. Especially if the work is niche but praised enough that having that sort is discussion is kinda like being a wet blanket.
AMA about my unfinished writing projectsFair enough.
I guess it can be put under Ripped from the Headlines or Harsher in Hindsight as the comic launched a few months before the Migrant Crisis began in earnest.
AMA about my unfinished writing projectsAkudama Drive has this entry:
- Unfortunate Implications: Brawler's characterization and ridicule by the Akudama because of his archetype as the Dumb Muscle. Western fans consider it distasteful that the only dark skinned/Afro-Japanese coded character in the anime is treated as a Hot-Blooded imbecile by both the writers and his light skinned peers, the latter of which are characterized as being more level-headed and intellectual compared to him. It also didn’t help that Brawler was the first of the Akudama to be killed off
as well. There's also the matter of Doctor constantly calling Brawler a "dreadlocked gorilla". Many fans of color were uncomfortable with the light skinned Doctor using an insult that has been used throughout history to discriminate against black and brown skinned people
to demean the only brown skinned character in the cast. The English dub would address this issue by having her refer to him as a "dreadlocked oaf" instead.
While I can immediately see based on Brawler's design why this would cause issues, I'm not sure I've seen any actual discussion of them outside of random places like Reddit, and it's largely complaining about the complaints and calling them hypersensitive. At best the "gorilla" comment sounds like a case of Author's Saving Throw.
This UI entry's quite a nattery wall of text.
- Unfortunate Implications: The movie was met with backlash from the autistic community almost as soon as its trailer was revealed
, which did not die down after the film's release
:
- The first major controversy was over the decision to cast Maddie Ziegler, a neurotypical actress, in the role of the titular character, who is a non-verbal autistic girl. Critics argued
that an autistic actor should have been cast in the role instead. Sia claimed that she tried to work with a non-verbal autistic actress
who found the experience "unpleasant and stressful", a statement which was also criticized by several autistic actors who quickly popped up to question why she only tried working with one autistic actor before picking a neurotypical one. It doesn't help that Sia's response later devolved into swearing and insults aimed at the autistic people criticizing the casting choice, or that contradictory statements suggest that the role had always been written with Ziegler in mind
. It's worth noting that during shooting, Ziegler herself was so worried about making fun of autistic people that she broke down crying.
- Once the film came out, criticism continued
as the title character was portrayed as yet another Womanchild whose only purpose is to be seen as a burden by her caretakers, adding more fuel to the fire by contributing to the persistent media stereotypes that have been an albatross around autistics' necks for decades. Her exaggerated, stereotypical behavior and body language drew comparisons to Copycat Mockery from a school bully making fun of a mentally disabled person.
- On top of its caricature-like depiction of autism, the movie was also criticized
for its unironic use of Blackface during the musical number "Oh Body", where Ziegler, who is of mixed European descent, wears skin-darkening makeup and a pair of headphones themed after cornrows (a hairstyle associated with black culture).
- Scenes portraying the use of restraints were criticized especially harshly for implying that forcibly pinning someone face-down is a good way to stop an autistic meltdown. In fact, the "prone restraint" used in the film is not only potentially traumatizing to be in, it's known to potentially suffocate and kill the person being restrained
. Although Sia later apologized
, promising to remove these scenes and add a warning against their use, the scenes were still present in the US theatrical release
.
- Though not to the same extent as the backlash surrounding the portrayal of autism in the film but some
critics
of color
drew issue with the character of Ebo, calling him
a Magical Negro since while the trailer made it look as though he was possibly Music's support worker or similar, he is Zu's neighbor who seemingly only exists to extoll platitudes about Music and be an eventual love interest for Zu. Ebo's lack of characterization also drew criticism, with critics making note that although Ebo is meant to be from Africa, it's never specified where, simply that he's from "a village" in "Africa." The most characterisation he gets is that he has HIV and a brother who had Autism, who it is implied was killed by members of their village, but even these are not mined for enough drama to feel like anything more than throwaways.
- The first major controversy was over the decision to cast Maddie Ziegler, a neurotypical actress, in the role of the titular character, who is a non-verbal autistic girl. Critics argued
Edited by PlasmaPower on Mar 11th 2021 at 9:12:06 AM
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Berserk Button: misusing Nightmare Fuel
As the one who wrote most of that example, I don't think it's nattery or wall-of-text-y. The example uses multiple bullets because there are several different points to address, which is in accordance with the Example Indentation policy. And since it's split up into multiple examples, it's not a wall of text; none of the individual bullet points are so long that they become hard to read.
Edited by Zuxtron on Mar 12th 2021 at 9:58:32 AM
I don't think we were going to lock it. It's a complaint magnet but I don't think it's attracting anything significantly bad like edit wars or flame wars.
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Eh, I'm pretty sure the bulletin points continuing on from eachother aren't helping your case. Parts of the examples just seems like drama importation and not really relevant to the film at all. And even with all the examples all divided up, it still just mushes together just due to the sheer length of the entry.
Edited by PlasmaPower on Mar 12th 2021 at 12:10:45 PM
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"It doesn't help that Sia's response later devolved into swearing and insults aimed at the autistic people criticizing the casting choice, or that contradictory statements suggest that the role had always been written with Ziegler in mind. It's worth noting that during shooting, Ziegler herself was so worried about making fun of autistic people that she broke down crying."
It just seems there more to bash the actress than anything. Also seems like a RL example too.
Edited by PlasmaPower on Mar 13th 2021 at 1:43:35 PM
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Bashing Sia, not Maddie (the actress in question). It is irrelevant, though I don't think I'd call it drama importation based on how we seem to define that.

How exactly is it "Media"?
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