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If you can only find something behind a paywall, I wouldn't trust it. The page also directly says, "Also, citations stuck behind paywalls or mandatory logins don't count. If people can't see your proof, then it doesn't prove much."
This thread could also be used to find good citations.
Are there any proper citations about how The Princess And The Frog stars Disney's first (and thus far, only) black princess yet she spends most of the film as a frog? I've seen people complain about the unintended implications, but I've never seen a citation-worthy post.
Should Unfortunate Implications include characters and scenarios that were never actually included in their work of origin?
And this one sounds dated:
The Concrete example is definitely valid, I remember there being a big controversy in the fandom over her appearance and illiteracy. Even if the character never made it into the show, she was still shown in an art book, so the work the example applies to is the book.
YMMV.Ronda Rousey as a You Tube channel link as a source. I don't know how credible You Tube channel is.
I don't see a problem with the book example since it comes from an official, published book.
On a similar note, I've seen a lot of controversies surrounding SU but it's difficult finding good citations for them. Most are just from someone's personal Tumblr or Youtube rant.
Edited by Pichu-kun on May 22nd 2019 at 6:40:55 AM
A possibly odd question: Can the work itself be the citation? I had this entry in mind and wanted to vet it first.
Note: I got Día de Muertos from Wikipedia but have also seen Dio de Los Muertos. I'm not sure which is correct so I went with the odds and used Wikipedia's version.
Edited by sgamer82 on Jun 4th 2019 at 12:28:31 PM
On a separate note, Unfortunate Implications is a citation-only trope so should it be avoided in sentences? I've seen it used in examples, even when it's not the point of the example.
There are a few examples on the page where the work's creators realized that something could have Unfortunate Implications and preemptively acted to correct it. The point of the citations rule is to prove that it's not just you getting offended, and if the authors themselves admit that they could potentially offend people, that's sufficient proof.
I agree that Unfortunate Implications should avoid being Potholed to.
Now I know. Should we add somewhere that the creators apologizing for and trying to fix said implications is citation enough they don't need a link?
The impression I'm getting is that the important thing is that the implications are acknowledged by someone or something more than "just some random dude" and that the entry should be able to point to where that is.
Edited by sgamer82 on Jun 9th 2019 at 2:03:31 AM
Found this from GARO Kami no Kiba JINGA:
No citation is sourced.
That's also Fridge Horror, not Unfortunate Implications.
That entry also uses characterization tags, which isn't allowed on the wiki.
No quotation makes it a moot point, but it actually does sound like Unfortunate Implications to me, since the note makes it sound like the character isn't actually a pedophile even by inference.
Found in The Homestuck Epilogues:
No citation sourced.
Edited by Siegfried1337 on Jul 16th 2019 at 2:15:24 AM
That third point probably goes under Family-Unfriendly Aesop.
This entry from Mulan's page needs a citation. I've seen complaints about this, so it's a valid thing.
However, does it really need to also mention that the situation may not be that bad and offer reasons why? Isn't it more important to just focus on the controversy itself, and not the other side?
IDK, could be wrong, just feels a bit weird to me.
That really reads like a Justifying Edit incorporated into the original example - it's not only inappropriate but also really awkwardly written. I actually personally think it makes much more sense than the alleged Unfortunate Implications, but that very much isn't the place.
Edited by nrjxll on Jul 29th 2019 at 3:20:53 AM
The example needs to be cleaned up before it's added back. I commented it out for now.
If you let me an opinion about the Mulan example, it seems like a stretch to compare the despiction of the Huns to the anti-immigration sentiment in the west. And then it drifts too much by talking how the movie was changed in China instead of focusing on the controversy (if there is any).
I think it should be cut, but the later half may be placed under Cultural Translation.
This example was deleted because the link is dead. Is there a good replacement link?
Edited by Pichu-kun on Aug 9th 2019 at 10:44:14 AM
Here's an archived version of the article.
Is this considered sourced?
YMMV.The Princess Series:
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