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HamburgerTime My OTP is more obscure than yours from Obscure ship avatar for February Relationship Status: I know
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Mar 27th 2019 at 7:16:55 AM

Ever read the story The Ones Who Walk Away from Omelas by Ursula LeGuin? It's about a fantastic utopian city whose endless prosperity is powered somehow by torturing a small child in an underground dungeon. It's been interpreted many different ways, but one of the more common ones I've seen is a criticism of how much of First World countries' prosperity is built on abusing Third World countries. It sounds like the article [up] got a similar vibe from this movie, and I sort of did too.

Which is interesting as Peele said this one is not a social commentary but a straight horror film that just happens to have black heroes.

Edited by HamburgerTime on Mar 27th 2019 at 10:10:31 AM

The pig of Hufflepuff pulsed like a large bullfrog. Dumbledore smiled at it, and placed his hand on its head: "You are Hagrid now."
TargetmasterJoe Much more than meets the eye! from The City, USA Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
Much more than meets the eye!
Mar 27th 2019 at 8:47:36 AM

So, since I confirmed to myself that I was never going to watch this movie, I ended up spoiling myself on the movie's Tropes page. And the mom was a Tethered while the creepy duplicate in red was the real person the mom supposedly was the entire time.

...

How does Jordan Peele DO that?!

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gropcbf from France
Mar 27th 2019 at 1:19:38 PM

[up] You haven't watched much Scooby-Doo, have you?

Edited by gropcbf on Mar 27th 2019 at 9:19:49 AM

TargetmasterJoe Much more than meets the eye! from The City, USA Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
Much more than meets the eye!
Mar 27th 2019 at 1:44:38 PM

[up] No, I have when I was a kid. I'm just trying to express my amazement at how brilliantly Jordan Peele keeps pulling the rug under us.

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Tuckerscreator from Traveling through the Multiverse Relationship Status: Drift compatible
Mar 27th 2019 at 2:02:36 PM

Ever read the story The Ones Who Walk Away from Omelas by Ursula LeGuin?

Adding now to the library list.

Also here’s an interview with Jordan Peele on casting only black leads, weed ideas, and almost being cast as Obama on SNL.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Mar 27th 2019 at 2:02:55 AM

“If your good mood was ruined because you got into an accident with a car...”
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Mar 27th 2019 at 2:16:03 PM

[up][up] I didn't think it was that hard to figure out. In fact, I've seen more than a few reviews point out that the twist isn't that shocking.

HamburgerTime My OTP is more obscure than yours from Obscure ship avatar for February Relationship Status: I know
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Mar 27th 2019 at 8:40:57 PM

Also, think someone is going to make that face in every Peele movie now?

The pig of Hufflepuff pulsed like a large bullfrog. Dumbledore smiled at it, and placed his hand on its head: "You are Hagrid now."
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Mar 28th 2019 at 2:04:38 AM

I think they're meaning how both movies feature women doing a maniacal chuckle with blank eyes.

After seeing this film it would be hard for anyone to argue against the The Auteur Theory. The way it zig zags through all its story developments, the atypical camera work, how every character quirk is rebuilt into their duplicates, you just don't get that in committee films.

Also, much like Get Out!, The Reveal is not a simplistic justification for using Horror Movie tropes but is a real otherworldly discovery that could be a movie unto itself. I don't think it is as strong as a film overall compared to Get Out, I think mostly because the logistics of the reveal are A LOT more complicated and even contradictory ( much of it the handwave of "they cloned us and then abandoned us," making you wonder how they maintained the facilities with clothes, food, etc), but the strength of the direction powers through it.

Edited by KJMackley on Mar 28th 2019 at 2:05:21 AM

TargetmasterJoe Much more than meets the eye! from The City, USA Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
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Mar 28th 2019 at 7:06:42 AM

I think mostly because the logistics of the reveal are A LOT more complicated and even contradictory

Yeah, like how could there be clones of the kids if the project got scrapped ages ago and how could the normal kids even be birthed if the mom was one of the Tethered themselves?

And if the mom was one of them, why did she go and kill her own people?

In the words of Hermes Conrad, it just raises further questions!

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Tuckerscreator from Traveling through the Multiverse Relationship Status: Drift compatible
Mar 28th 2019 at 8:06:58 AM

And if the mom was one of them, why did she go and kill her own people?

If you go by the interpretation of the articles above that the film is a metaphor for racial and class assimilation, then Adelaide a.k.a. Real!Red is analogous to a Boomerang Bigot who thinks they’re better for having made it out. That kind of person doesn’t want others of their people to follow them into prosperity because they don’t want to compete for space and have the ruling folk question how a “lesser” managed to get up higher.

Also, in-universe it’s noticeable that Adelaide has differing reactions to each of the Tethered. The ones she kills like Red / Real!Adelaide get a tremendous amount of brutality from her, but the Tethered children coax her sympathy and she even cries out against killing one of them.

“If your good mood was ruined because you got into an accident with a car...”
HamburgerTime My OTP is more obscure than yours from Obscure ship avatar for February Relationship Status: I know
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Mar 28th 2019 at 8:17:22 AM

[up] Granted, I think there's more sympathetic ways to interpret Fake Adelaide too.

The pig of Hufflepuff pulsed like a large bullfrog. Dumbledore smiled at it, and placed his hand on its head: "You are Hagrid now."
gropcbf from France
Mar 28th 2019 at 12:47:07 PM

[up][up][up] Most of these questions are being discussed in the Headscratchers and Fridge pages, which may be worth reading if you don't mind spoiler tags.

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Mar 29th 2019 at 12:09:11 AM

The Atlantic describes Us’s outfits with lead costume designer Kym Barrett, who also designed for The Matrix .

“If your good mood was ruined because you got into an accident with a car...”
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Mar 29th 2019 at 12:13:06 AM

[up] And the worst Spider-Man suit in movie history.

I actually associate Barrett with those kinds of movies, mostly, so seeing her name in the credits for Us was a mild surprise.

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Mar 29th 2019 at 2:49:55 PM

If I had a criticism... why are the Wilsons the only people we see who seem to have been able to fight off their Tethered?

The pig of Hufflepuff pulsed like a large bullfrog. Dumbledore smiled at it, and placed his hand on its head: "You are Hagrid now."
gropcbf from France
Mar 29th 2019 at 3:02:40 PM

To be fair, we don't get to see many people who aren't the Wilsons. It is possible that some people did that as well, but the film isn't about them.

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Mar 29th 2019 at 3:19:02 PM

At the end, there were some helicopters flying over the long chain of Tethered. Presumably those are the original pilots since Tethered folks would be in the line, so that’s a few survivors.

“If your good mood was ruined because you got into an accident with a car...”
HamburgerTime My OTP is more obscure than yours from Obscure ship avatar for February Relationship Status: I know
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Mar 29th 2019 at 3:31:54 PM

Unless literally everyone in the country has a Tethered I feel like the humans would probably win in the end if only due to numbers and firepower advantage - not liking the odds of scissors vs. planes and tanks.

The pig of Hufflepuff pulsed like a large bullfrog. Dumbledore smiled at it, and placed his hand on its head: "You are Hagrid now."
HandsomeRob High Priest of the Holey Brotherhood! from Holey Brotherhood Lair Relationship Status: My elf kissing days are over
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Mar 29th 2019 at 3:56:55 PM

You just gotta throw those scissors with accuracy.cool

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Mar 30th 2019 at 10:26:57 AM

To be fair, the movie takes place across like 24 hours. Even the US military would have issues (understatement) with an estimated 300 million people erupting all across the country. It's not like the Tethered all came out of the same hole. And yeah, I think pretty much every American has one. Immigrants might not.

There are still helicopters, so there are still people and probably even notable infrastructure remaining.

Edited by SilentColossus on Mar 30th 2019 at 10:29:24 AM

Lyendith I'm not insane, I'm not… not insane! from Bègles, France Relationship Status: Buried in snow, waiting for spring
I'm not insane, I'm not… not insane!
Mar 31st 2019 at 2:33:26 PM

Saw this too! And boy I'm glad I didn't watch the trailers because they spoil an awful lot of stuff. Including the goddamn twist ending.

Having seen Get Out just a few days before, I have a hard time to say which film is stronger… They're strong in different areas I think. The horror in Get Out was mostly underlying, like this slowly growing feeling that something's off, and it goes crescendo from there… Us is somewhat more conventional in its structure but once tension rises it stays all the way up. Though Get Out's plot is more seamlessly put together.

Now about the ending… It's not so much predictable (it did surprise me) as extremely well foreshadowed. During the climax battle I kept telling myself "How ironic, now Adelaide is the one with the awkward, animalistic movements while her double moves smoothly and gracefully." When she started cackling creepily after killing fake!Red, I thought that the doppelganger's psyche had sort of started to bleed into her… but the actual reveal was even better. And, well, the fact that Red is the only Tethered that can speak was kind of a giveaway (although it makes you wonder who told her the whole backstory).

What bothered me was less the reveal in itself and more the truckload of Fridge Logic that comes with the nature of the Tethered, as people pointed out. A question I notably haven't seen asked is why does Jason's double keep on imitating him while the others don't?

One thing's sure, it's a movie that makes you think a lot, both in the "what does it mean" way and in the "wait, how the fuck does that work?" way. Jordan Peele might be becoming my new favorite horror director, to be honest…

Miscellaneous remarks:

  • Man, Peele really loves his Soundtrack Dissonance, doesn't he.
  • I now officially cannot see nor hear a tea cup and a spoon without wetting myself. Thanks, Jordan.
  • So we have a 2019 film where a child wearing a Michael Jackson t-shirt enters a house without her parents' watch and is kidnapped. Obviously the movie was made before Leaving Neverland came out, but it was awkward.

Edited by Lyendith on Mar 31st 2019 at 12:37:08 PM

Flippé de participer à ce grand souper, je veux juste m'occuper de taper mon propre tempo.
gropcbf from France
Mar 31st 2019 at 3:11:22 PM

Regarding Jason's double I thought this:

  • For one thing different people are different; it makes sense that Jason's double doesn't act like mine (did I mention I had to kill my double the other day? Although now I wonder if he might have been a tax inspector or something; it's not like I was American)
  • This thing about imitating each other is a childish thing; it makes more sense for a kid to play such games. In fact I took it to be a personal trait and not a technical thing related to the tethering.

(Also yes, that moment when Adelaide kills her double makes her look bestial and foreshadows the final twist).

Edited by gropcbf on Mar 31st 2019 at 12:23:37 PM

Lyendith I'm not insane, I'm not… not insane! from Bègles, France Relationship Status: Buried in snow, waiting for spring
I'm not insane, I'm not… not insane!
Mar 31st 2019 at 3:45:00 PM

(did I mention I had to kill my double the other day? Although now I wonder if he might have been a tax inspector or something; it's not like I was American)

Maybe it was one of those grotesque neon-yellow figures armed with smokesticks who spread blood and chaos across France. I saw it on the news, it's scary. >=[

Jokes aside, your explanation makes sense, I guess. Still, did Pluto… not notice that his body was burning…?

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