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Tharkun140 The Arch-Douchebag Since: Apr, 2016 Relationship Status: What is this thing you call love?
The Arch-Douchebag
#1: Dec 12th 2018 at 11:58:03 AM

Is it allowed to make work pages or post examples relating to fanfiction of your own making? Making reaction pages is not allowed because the creator will always be biased, recomending your own fics is not allowed for an obvious reason, but I don't see a rule regarding troping in general. I'm asking because it greatly annoys me when I don't know whether or not I can trope something.

Edited by Tharkun140 on Dec 12th 2018 at 9:52:30 PM

Apathy is Death. Worse than Death, because at least a rotting corpse feeds beasts and insects.
Rytex That guy with the face from The Shadow Realm (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Married to the music
That guy with the face
#2: Dec 12th 2018 at 12:43:09 PM

I asked this question myself a couple of years ago and was told it was okay by Drake Clawfang. Objective pages like regular tropes, Trivia, and even YMMV (as long as the tropes used there are used properly).

Also, if your fic is already on the Recs page, you CAN change the link from an off-site link to the trope page, but yeah, you can't add your fic to the page yourself. That's a no-no.

Edited by Rytex on Dec 12th 2018 at 2:43:24 PM

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Karxrida The Unknown from Eureka, the Forbidden Land Since: May, 2012 Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
The Unknown
#3: Dec 13th 2018 at 6:24:40 PM

Pretty sure YMMV is actually off-limits for the original work's creator.

Edited by Karxrida on Dec 13th 2018 at 6:24:53 AM

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PPPSSC Since: Nov, 2009
#4: Dec 14th 2018 at 1:51:46 AM

  • Objective tropes (and work descriptions) are perfectly fine for a work's author to write about
  • Trivia can be added by the author, if and only if it was previously published on a source outside of TV Tropes
  • Authors cannot add YMMV items at all (except for in-universe examples, which are treated like objective tropes and go on the main page). This includes moments pages.

Edited by PPPSSC on Dec 14th 2018 at 1:52:16 AM

Rytex That guy with the face from The Shadow Realm (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Married to the music
That guy with the face
#5: Dec 14th 2018 at 7:38:10 AM

Ah, so I dun goofed on the YMMV part when I did mine, though in my defense, I didn't just invent reactions; I actually went off of readers' reactions, and included bits from the audio drama that I have comparatively-little involvement in, outside of a few voice cameos.

Ah well, was two years ago. Won't make the mistake again.

Edited by Rytex on Dec 14th 2018 at 9:39:27 AM

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amitakartok Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
#6: Dec 14th 2018 at 9:08:14 AM

...so I suppose if you have reaction pages done already, you can't just delete them anymore to comply with [up][up]?

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#7: Dec 14th 2018 at 9:25:51 AM

Aren't there some reaction tropes that are sorta objective-ish Like. Reactions, if you observe a trend where a lot of people hate or like a thing, you can do, like, a backlash trope maybe? And cite it?

Or. I notice things like Game-Breaker are in YMMV, what if you make a game and are a troper, and you make a thing a Game-Breaker deliberately, can you add that?

Or Goddamn Bats, or Demonic Spiders or something.

Or are deliberate game breakers and other things a different trope?

I can get why CMOA, CMOF or Best Level Ever aren't allowed of course.

But, IIRC, a lot of stuff is in YMMV and.

...I dunno, maybe my actual problem is I disagree with some of it all being there.

...Or maybe everything is actually YMMV secretly. How's that for a hot take.

Edited by unnoun on Dec 14th 2018 at 12:39:28 PM

Discar Since: Jun, 2009
#8: Dec 14th 2018 at 2:12:59 PM

And [up] that is why all YMMV items are off limits for authors, instead of just the ones that are based on opinion. Too much ambiguity all around.

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#9: Dec 14th 2018 at 2:19:03 PM

...That seems more like a problem with the site and the concept of YMMV to me.

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#10: Dec 15th 2018 at 1:35:26 AM

For what it's worth, years ago we decided that Complete Monster would not fall under this rule as you are supposed to propose examples in the Subpages cleanup: Complete Monster thread before adding them.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Darkflamewolf Since: Apr, 2013
#11: Dec 18th 2018 at 11:56:19 AM

Yep, I didn't know this either and entire YMMV pages I created were wiped out, even after being edited and revamped and added onto by other tropers. Apparently that doesn't matter if the original YMMV page creation was by the author/creator/etc.

ZoneAdv944 from Somewhere in Canada Since: Feb, 2016 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#12: Dec 21st 2018 at 4:07:54 AM

Would troping my own fic help with getting more readers?

Tharkun140 The Arch-Douchebag Since: Apr, 2016 Relationship Status: What is this thing you call love?
The Arch-Douchebag
#13: Dec 21st 2018 at 4:12:05 AM

[up] Not really. You would get a person or two to check it out, but most people on the site read the pages about the things they have seen/read, not the other way around.

Edited by Tharkun140 on Dec 21st 2018 at 1:12:31 PM

Apathy is Death. Worse than Death, because at least a rotting corpse feeds beasts and insects.
Rytex That guy with the face from The Shadow Realm (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Married to the music
That guy with the face
#14: Dec 21st 2018 at 9:07:35 AM

I dunno, I found a few thins from stumbling across their trope pages, like Those Lacking Spines.

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JDRod_2 Since: Dec, 2018
#15: Jan 12th 2019 at 6:54:53 PM

I think I saw some Spice Girls Fics being given some trope pages on a separate tropes site. I was able to get a hold of the author one of them, who also did some WWE Fics.

In case, you're asking the fic is in question:

Astral Journey: It's Complicated

Darkflamewolf Since: Apr, 2013
#16: Feb 13th 2019 at 10:51:14 AM

So what's the general consensus on YMMV then for folks troping their own works? Especially, as one poster already mentioned above, reactions and trends were visibly observed and catalogued to have such YMMV tropes be viable for the work?

Rytex That guy with the face from The Shadow Realm (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Married to the music
That guy with the face
#17: Feb 13th 2019 at 11:57:14 AM

Trivia* and the regular media page is okay for a user to trope. The YMMV is not, unless there is legit evidence, or the YMMV is done for a different adaptation than the one the user is responsible for. Otherwise, the user could put all their own opinions on the YMMV page, which is not what those pages are for.

  • - Word of God and similar tropes should only be used if something is publicly available info from said author, and not just put there to spill the beans on random information that pops into the author's head.

Edited by Rytex on Feb 13th 2019 at 1:58:10 PM

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Darkflamewolf Since: Apr, 2013
#18: Feb 22nd 2019 at 5:47:41 AM

Okay, so from what I'm gathering: MAIN/CHARACTER/TRIVIA are pretty much the only pages on a fanfic's trope page that the author themselves can reasonably add on/edit to since those are more objective and not subjective in nature and bias isn't involved like it is in YMMV/AWESOME/TEARJERKER/ETC. I'm assuming HEADSCRATCHER and FRIDGE also fall into this latter category that are generally understood to be 'off limits' for authors of the same work. What about SHOUT OUTS?

Edited by Darkflamewolf on Feb 22nd 2019 at 9:19:50 AM

Rytex That guy with the face from The Shadow Realm (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Married to the music
That guy with the face
#19: Feb 22nd 2019 at 11:53:46 AM

Shit, I made my own fic's shoutout page. Do it.

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Berserker88 Since: Dec, 2010
#20: Feb 23rd 2019 at 3:12:40 AM

Well, I've certainly got enough Shout Outs on one of my pages to warrant it, considering they literally take up more than a page of text. I've also seen a few Foreshadowing pages, which I assume is also kosher since readers are, by design, unlikely to pick out every example on their own. Are Foreshadowing pages usually spoiler-free then?

crazysamaritan NaNo 4328 / 50,000 from Lupin III Since: Apr, 2010
NaNo 4328 / 50,000
#21: Feb 24th 2019 at 9:31:35 AM

Shout-Out and Foreshadowing are main page tropes, so authors are authorized to write examples for them. If those examples are on subpages or the main work page is irrelevant.

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Darkflamewolf Since: Apr, 2013
#22: Feb 26th 2019 at 8:32:40 AM

Welp, I did my own: In Darkness I Hide. Feel free to critique. I didn't do anything outside of Main/Laconic/Trivia since I'm a bit afraid to venture out past those points, but for those interested, by all means read the story and pitch in. I know for a fact I probably missed a ton of examples. XD

Edited by Darkflamewolf on Feb 26th 2019 at 11:33:05 AM

ZoneAdv944 from Somewhere in Canada Since: Feb, 2016 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#23: Feb 28th 2019 at 9:02:01 PM

I'm really temped to create a trope page for my own work. I'm just wondering about a couple of things before I take the plunge.

1) Is troping my own fic frowned upon for any reason (i.e. gratuitous shameless self-promotion)? 2) Anybody got advice how how to make the trope page interesting and possibly attract more readers?

Edited by ZoneAdv944 on Feb 28th 2019 at 9:02:16 AM

Discar Since: Jun, 2009
#24: Feb 28th 2019 at 9:37:32 PM

1: As long as you write the page as if you're any other reader (eg, no "I wrote this fic" anywhere) and avoid YMMV items, it's fine. 2: Just make sure the page is well-made and cross-wicked. But be careful not to shoehorn tropes. That's always frowned upon, but it's worse when you're troping your own work.

ZoneAdv944 from Somewhere in Canada Since: Feb, 2016 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#25: Feb 28th 2019 at 11:11:26 PM

[up] Thanks for the advice, I finally created a trope page for my own fic.


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