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TheLovecraftian Relationship Status: Seeking boyfriend-free girl
Feb 6th 2019 at 11:12:43 AM

Hm. The lack of a third-person camera and the radio are a bit saddening. I'm totally down with having a reputation system, though, Obsidian always does those nicely. And of course, it's great that you can kill or not kill everyone. No Essential tag around.

The idea of companions being permanently killable on harder difficulties is interesting. I can see a lot of people being pissed about it, but I think it's a nice addition.

Feb 6th 2019 at 11:21:20 AM

Permanently killable companions on hardcore difficullty was a staple of New Vegas too.

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Feb 6th 2019 at 11:58:10 AM

The first and third points would seem to go hand in hand — hopefully someone mods in radio. I mean, maybe the in-game score will be good as well, but it just seems strange to play a first-person Fallout-like without radio.

I'm less interested in New Game+ than post-endgame play with this sort of game. Neither one would be a dealbreaker for me, though.

Reputation system's much more interesting and functional than karma anyway, I'm good with that.

I guess I can understand balance-wise why they might limit the number of flaws/perks you can take, but I have to admit I'm disappointed. I wanted to run a character who was as neurotic as possible. Even 5-8 would be better than just 3-5.

Feb 6th 2019 at 12:33:37 PM

The radio would be nice to have, but I could care less about third person. I'm always relieved to find out I can play a game in first person, especially since most developers seem to favor third person nowadays.

TheLovecraftian Relationship Status: Seeking boyfriend-free girl
Feb 6th 2019 at 12:37:12 PM

I'd rather we had the choice, really. I'm not a great fan of first-person. Makes my head ache depending on the field of view.

Protagonist506 from 'MURICA Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Feb 6th 2019 at 12:51:44 PM

Personally I'd rather we had a choice for a different reason: Building a character only to never be able to see their face is annoying.

"Any campaign world where an orc samurai can leap off a landcruiser to fight a herd of Bulbasaurs will always have my vote of confidence"
InkDagger Relationship Status: Dancing with Captain Jack Harkness
Feb 6th 2019 at 2:53:38 PM

[up]I believe you see them plenty in cutscenes or when some people are talking, but I could be wrong. I'm basing that on the Reveal Demo.

Gault Laugh and grow dank! from beyond the kingdom Relationship Status: P.S. I love you
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Feb 12th 2019 at 7:02:49 AM

"Tactical Time Dilation". So, it appears this game is going to have VATS, but actually good. Your move, Bethesda.

No kidding, I actually had an idea for how Bethesda ought to fix VATS and it resembles something like this very closely. Instead of taking control away from the player and having them watch a brief cutscene, actually have the player line up their shots as they normally do and let shots apply status effects based on the limb you shoot.

Edited by Gault on Feb 12th 2019 at 11:04:12 PM

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TheLovecraftian Relationship Status: Seeking boyfriend-free girl
Feb 12th 2019 at 7:28:21 AM

I don't know if it's intentional or not, but this game is slowly turning into a huge diss on Bethesda by Obsidian's part, isn't it?

But yeah, combat seems like an intersting mix of first-person shooting and rpg mechanics. It seems more tactical. I like it.

Gault Laugh and grow dank! from beyond the kingdom Relationship Status: P.S. I love you
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Feb 12th 2019 at 8:02:03 AM

Reminds me of that stop-time effect in Prey when you were aiming your psychic Typhon powers, albeit expanded on a bit more. Instead of time freezing entirely, it will slow down, and your "action point" pool will drain depending on if you're moving or attacking. I think this is an excellent compromise between the immersion and combat of first-person shooters and the tactics of classic RP Gs, miles ahead of the clunky VATS system.

I doubt Obsidian is intentionally thumbing their nose at Bethesda- they couldn't have predicted the colossal trainwreck that is Fallout 76 after all- but it does start to feel a bit like that given the confluence of events.

Edited by Gault on Feb 13th 2019 at 12:04:17 AM

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TheLovecraftian Relationship Status: Seeking boyfriend-free girl
Feb 12th 2019 at 8:11:43 AM

The announcement trailer did have a bit of fun at the expense of Bethesda - "By the original creators of Fallout", a short few weeks after 76 flopped onto the market - but since then, I still think it's mostly Obsidian doing what they're good at and overshadowing Bethesda by accident as a result.

I wonder if the game's actual shooting will be good. The 3D Fallout games have always been at the mercy of the fact that their shooting was a bit poor, which required VATS to make it bearable. It'd be nice if TOW's shooting didn't rely on that as much.

Edited by TheLovecraftian on Feb 12th 2019 at 6:37:19 PM

Fourthspartan56 Technocratic Progressive from Georgia, US Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
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Feb 12th 2019 at 11:08:33 AM

Honestly, that system reminded me more of the Slo Mo system in FEAR.

Though I imagine VATS comparisons are inevitable considering the context, for the record I enjoyed Fallout 4 VATS and I'm probably going to enjoy this too.

Progress is a nice word. But change is its motivator. And change has its enemies. -Robert Kennedy
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Fourthspartan56 Technocratic Progressive from Georgia, US Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
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Feb 12th 2019 at 12:35:54 PM

Well yeah, they haven't actually done anything that constitutes bashing Bethesda.

It's just that The Outer Worlds exists and that's enough because of how pissed people are.

It doesn't surprise me that they wouldn't be happy with people just using their game as a weapon to attack Bethesda.

Progress is a nice word. But change is its motivator. And change has its enemies. -Robert Kennedy
TheLovecraftian Relationship Status: Seeking boyfriend-free girl
Feb 12th 2019 at 12:40:18 PM

Makes sense. They've never been that confrontational about these things. And I can see the whole thing being accidental, then blown out of proportion by the fans who, at that point, were already pissed at Bethesda anyways. It'll probably peak once the game hits the market, too. People will be comparing it to the modern Fallout games one way or another. It's nice to see that Obsidian isn't taking potshots, though.

Fourthspartan56 Technocratic Progressive from Georgia, US Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Technocratic Progressive
Feb 12th 2019 at 12:44:15 PM

Agreed, I really respect them for taking the high road.

Progress is a nice word. But change is its motivator. And change has its enemies. -Robert Kennedy
Feb 15th 2019 at 4:28:35 PM

I think it was an obvious move to play up the Fallout connections — the game's seemingly very much designed to appeal to the kind of player who enjoyed New Vegas, and Cain and Boyarsky are recognisable names to RPG players and Fallout is their most well-known and mainstream creation. So of course you'd mention the connection as a selling point! But seeing it as an obvious jab at Bethesda was probably something fans projected onto it (especially with FO76 making the headlines with various bugs and controversies).

Anyway, just to wrap up this week's news, Game Informer talked a bit about science weapons. They're deliberately over-the-top with little thought given to realism, and are more off the beaten path and rare compared to regular weapons. They scale with your Science skill, so the hope is they'll provide some more options in combat to tech-focused characters compared to more regular combat-oriented builds. Every item also has a level, so if you are using them you'll probably want to upgrade them. There are five in all: a light melee, heavy melee, handgun (a shrink ray), long gun, and heavy gun. Cain suggested maybe releasing DLC of more of them, if they proved popular.

The other feature was talking about the choices they're trying to enable in the game. According to the article, you can achieve objectives in different ways, but there aren't wildly diverging paths or anything. 'Our story structures look like footballs, where there are all these points that everybody will pass through.' They use an example of having to get a power regulator for your ship — every player has to get one, but there's more than one out there and how you personally go about getting a specific one can be different. They don't want choices to just boil down to obvious good/evil. They talk a little more about hybrids and Leader builds, though I don't think there's any strictly new information there. I'm curious as to the exact mechanics for the latter — they've talked about using companion skills in the place of your own to switch playstyle on the fly, but I haven't come across much specific details.

Anyway, in interviews and stuff they've warned that they don't want people getting their hopes too high; time and budget were considerations in making the game and it's not open-world. They described it, roughly, to a smaller KotOR II in size.

Edited by Lavaeolus on Feb 15th 2019 at 12:29:47 PM

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deludedmusings Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Feb 15th 2019 at 4:31:55 PM

I'm fine with a smaller game. Especially if the smaller gameworld means a tighter focus on story and character and given the devs, that's exactly what I'm expecting.

Cris_Meyers reluctant author, willing misanthrope from Chicagoland Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
reluctant author, willing misanthrope
Feb 16th 2019 at 5:02:19 PM

Being smaller is perfectly fine by me. In my experience the likelihood of replay goes down the more the amount of game time goes up. I can't even begin to imagine replaying some of the 120+ hour open-world games that are out now. KOTOR 2? I played that at least 3 times thru before installing the expansion mod.

lrrose Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
Feb 16th 2019 at 5:21:59 PM

Outer Worlds being around KOTOR 2 in length is actually one of the biggest selling points for me. Modern games have gotten way too long.

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Feb 16th 2019 at 10:38:33 PM

KOTOR II was about 30-50 hours. That's definitely a good length for a game with replay value. Compare Assassin's Creed Odyssey which could be completed in 37 hours if you just did the main story (which no one did) or 70-109 hours if you do sidequests.

I did enjoy Odyssey, but the developers were like "Yeah, you can go back and replay your choices!" when most of the important choices were small subtle moments over the entire game. Reloading your last save five minutes ago is one thing. But when you have to reload a save from fifty hours ago to get a different ending, you may as well just replay the whole game—and it's way too much for a casual replay.

Cris_Meyers reluctant author, willing misanthrope from Chicagoland Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
reluctant author, willing misanthrope
Feb 16th 2019 at 10:49:48 PM

Hell, my playtime in Odyssey is 160 hours and counting. The only reason I'm getting any replay is because it's mindless enough to do while I'm laid up.

I'm almost Pavlovian. At about 40 hours I'm looking for the exit.

Feb 17th 2019 at 8:36:50 AM

I think one of the things that makes Odyssey so bad is that every single point of interest is marked on the map from the start, and you're shown when you finish them. It makes it feel like you need to complete them all—or at least complete every one you happen to run into. It was a lot easier to ignore locations in New Vegas, or even Fallout 4, because you're doing something else or just don't find the location interesting.

Feb 18th 2019 at 3:56:31 PM

@The Lovecraftian Ironic that first person makes your head ache. I get the same thing from third person. Makes me feel all dizzy, like Im constantly spinning around. It really would be ideal if theyd just let us choose which one we prefer.

TheLovecraftian Relationship Status: Seeking boyfriend-free girl
Feb 18th 2019 at 4:11:02 PM

Huh. Wonder why that is. I know my problem with first person: field of view. Some games, like Dishonored, certain Call of Duty games and Far Cry give me a headache after a while, but others, like the Fallout games, Portal or Half-Life, never did. I'd never seen a similar problem with third person, though.

But yeah, being given the choice would be nice, especially given all the parallels this game already has to Fallout.


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