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#476: Mar 3rd 2020 at 2:45:05 PM

I remember there was a point in the game where Cool Scientist Dude wanted me to fake nice with a Bad Guy Lady to undermine her, and she asked me to wipe out the Tutorial Town. And, like, this kind of shit always makes me paranoid because I don't know if I can just fake like Imma do it and then go undermine her, or if agreeing to it is going to lock me into some sort of Bad Guy Genocide Run and now the only way to progress in the game is to do it.

So I told her to eat shit and this turned into a firefight and I killed her. And then I was even more confused because she seemed like an important character. So I wound up reloading and just not going to try and fake nice with her, since apparently the only available outcomes from doing that are shooting her in the face or committing mass-murder, neither of which really satisfies my definition of faking nice.

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#477: Mar 3rd 2020 at 2:51:25 PM

I liked Nyoka a lot. She had a definite archetype going on, the whole drunken burnout with a sad history and a heart of gold, but she seemed self-aware in a way that felt honest, at least, if not necessarily the most original. She knows her alcoholism and aloofness aren't unique, so she's at least making the token effort not to be defined by them, however doomed that effort may be.

Felix and Ellie were the really type-y ones for me, the ones whose arcs felt very telegraphed from the beginning. Really, it would've worked better for me if they played those types harder, broader, cartoonier.

You can definitely feel where they drew the cutoff line and started shunting things into the DLC with those planets where you don't even go. Kind of feel like they also left themselves room to drop in more areas on Terra-2 and Monarch. And that's okay. That's what I want. I want this to get to the point where I can keep coming back to it, like FNV, and I think the potential is there.

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#478: Mar 3rd 2020 at 3:02:23 PM

[up][up] You can accept the quest without committing yourself to anything, but AFAIK you can't complete the quest without going down the evil path. Or at least I didn't try. The true branching point is the Hope. As soon as you jump it for one side or the other, you are locked into that path.

[up] The weird thing is that we were told the developers had no plans for DLC until the game got super popular and they caved. So take that for what you will.

Edited by Fighteer on Mar 3rd 2020 at 6:05:36 AM

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#479: Mar 3rd 2020 at 3:17:48 PM

Yeah, I think the thing was that they weren't expecting to have a free hand for it, after getting picked up by Microsoft. So they didn't want to overpromise. But I think you can definitely still see the cuts in the game. That's very much part of Obsidian's design process, the huge game that eventually gets pared back.

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#480: Mar 7th 2020 at 11:24:47 AM

You can accept the quest without committing yourself to anything, but AFAIK you can't complete the quest without going down the evil path.

I always dislike when games like this do that, like the Skyrim quest where the only way to engage it is to help a demon possess Balgruuf kid and plot his murder, with absolutely no choice or leeway in the matter but to either have your character suddenly be a monster or pretend the quest doesn't exist and isn't burning a hole in your quest log. It's bad railroading.

I had a similar feeling about Sublight here, as well. It's comforted a bit by how you end up being able to do good things far down the line after you get started, but you don't know that for a while and instead the entire main questline just fixes your character on being an amoral pirate for a while.

Anywho, finished the game. Screw that final boss (did a largely non-combat build, and paid for it), and screw the way the game handles lockpicking and hacking - I do remember that that's the way it used to be done, but this game feels like a good example of why people stopped doing it.

A very feel good ending. It's interesting that the epilogue makes clear that if there's going to be any continuation, it's going to be decades later when the characters are mostly dead or retired, because the next few decades are locked up around them rebuilding/saving Halcyon. I like that idea, of a game where you can explore meet organizations and institutions built by characters you played or assisted in the previous game - very Dragon Age-y.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Mar 7th 2020 at 11:28:42 AM

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#481: Jul 23rd 2020 at 10:21:52 AM

First DLC:

"Or... this... thing!!"

I could definitely use more of this game in my life right now. Plus Grounded, and that new first-person Pillars of Eternity game? Gonna be a lot of New Vegas-esque content in our near future, sounds like.

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#483: Sep 16th 2020 at 10:21:00 PM

Has anyone else played the DLC yet?

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#484: Sep 16th 2020 at 10:32:05 PM

I've started it, but haven't got very far just yet.

I like what I've seen, even if I had to dive deep into my saves to find one that worked. It has been a while since I played last.

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#485: Sep 17th 2020 at 6:14:09 AM

It was either Outer Worlds or Wasteland 3 on my dinky little HD. Hoping to get around to it this weekend.

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#486: Sep 17th 2020 at 5:39:07 PM

I'm looking forward to playing it at some point, but like a lot of people I initially got the game as part of the Game Pass. Now I'm waiting for the Steam release before I jump into the DLC.

Just a month left, right? The game came out last year 25th October, and I think the game was supposed to be a 12-month exclusive. In the meantime, I guess I'll just sit here, waiting. Doo doo doo. Hummmm.

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#487: Sep 17th 2020 at 7:06:44 PM

I too am waiting for the steam release. I tried to finish it on PS 4 and... Idk, I just kept having a problem finishing it. It felt under-developed story wise, to me? It felt ok. Not blow my mind. But good-to-ok.

I might jump into it better when it's on PC I guess?

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#488: Sep 17th 2020 at 8:54:16 PM

It's a bit mindless compared to others of its pedigree. Fun, but not as invested in chasing down its themes the way New Vegas was. Not as committed to its Decon-Recon Switch or to fully fledging its characters. A bit like a slightly shorter FO 3. I can get behind that, even if I still wish they'd gone further.

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#489: Sep 24th 2020 at 9:44:06 AM

Playing the expansion now. You know, this game does have such good music and art. If it was actually played just a little straighter — all the satire but not as smirking, characters written and acted a little more seriously — I think it could really have worked.

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#490: Sep 24th 2020 at 12:40:11 PM

IT'S NOT THE BEST CHOICE

IT'S SPACERS CHOICE

Say to the others who did not follow through You're still our brothers, and we will fight for you
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#491: Sep 24th 2020 at 12:43:02 PM

I'd disagree. I think this kind of satire is precisely the kind of thing that needs that tone.

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#492: Sep 24th 2020 at 2:59:30 PM

Eh. I just think it either needs to hit that tone a lot harder or back off of it. It just feels a bit toothless at times. The writing is biting but the characters seem like soft targets. Taking them down lacks a certain satisfaction.

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#493: Sep 24th 2020 at 3:00:23 PM

It brings a smile to my face. That's all I care about.

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#494: Sep 24th 2020 at 5:12:46 PM

And having just gotten through HIA and talked to the companions... yeah. I feel like the dark humor and human drama are better served if it feels a bit less like the characters aren't in on the joke. Halcyon isn't a joke to the people living there. But it's a fine line to walk.

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#495: Oct 7th 2020 at 3:31:57 PM

Question : is there a trope for a company selling some weird items ? I can't fathom why Rizzo's, the sugar people, have vending machines that sell some of the heaviest armor in the game, made by Aramid Ballistics but with Rizzo's colors! So far, it's the only company that does this.

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#496: Oct 7th 2020 at 6:20:15 PM

To be fair, Vim! and Nuka Cola both had Power Armor and military robots painted with their color schemes.

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#497: Oct 7th 2020 at 7:47:14 PM

MSI's stuff is Aramid too, isn't it? The companies that make armour do seem to farm out their stuff to the other companies. Technically they're competitors, but they're also all part of the Board (or used to be, in MSI's case). They do need their uniforms to look uniform, and they do have to get them from somewhere.

Rizzo's also has a whole secret bioweapons division and spec ops team, so candy isn't all they do. It's just the main thing they do, hence the aforementioned spec ops team being called SugarOps.

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#498: Oct 21st 2020 at 11:35:15 AM

Speaking of Rizzo, and I don't mind being spoiled on this : do we get more info on Project Ptero later on in the game ? Right now I'm assuming that Rizzo's sweetening agent isn't sugar but Ptero blood, but I was wondering if it was something that they had deliberately engineered or if they're just taking advantage of a quirk of the local wildlife ?

Oh, and apparently the game is coming out on GOG as well as on Steam, presumably this friday :

https://www.gog.com/game/the_outer_worlds

No word on the DLC though.

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#499: Oct 21st 2020 at 8:49:42 PM

Hmmm. Sounds like something they'd do, but I'm not sure. I thought the main project in the secret lab was the one that eventually has Lilya ask you to kill Eva Chartrand before she can genetically alter Halcycon's colonists to... be able to digest the local flora so they don't all starve? I thought the manties and pterorays they were working on at Cascadia were being studied for their digestive systems and genetic structure. But it's been a minute since I played through that section.

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#500: Oct 23rd 2020 at 8:53:53 AM

The Outer Worlds is now out on Steam. Hats off to those of you who waited. I'll be interested to hear your thoughts, whenever it is you get around to this one. Busy time for CRPGs.


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