Mortal Kombat 11

Not really, there are people that would happily buy Takeda as DLC.

As opposed to the legion of Havik fans and "Kung Lao, not that one" that clearly must exist.

I mean, throngs of Havik Fan. When's the last time you went somewhere and there weren't literal swarms of Havik fans.

Good job cherry picking the tl;dr of a post where I lay out the patterns I was following through the whole thing.

I can include the part where you insist legions of Havik fans are a thing that's actually exists and that must outnumber the two character you say don't have enough fans to warrant DLC.

I mean, I can point you to Reddit and Twitter, and threads for previous games on this forum, but if you don’t think people want to see Havik back, I really don’t have a stake in the matter.

I just don't get how irrationally angry you are about people hoping certain characters make it into a fighting game. Nobody's demanding characters they like make it in or anything.

After tons of edits I am sure that I do not know any decent way to say this: If you can't even process my anger (or rather, leave it in the past) and would rather ostracize me, you hope to understand that guy's anger? I've been on Bad Wolf 21 's position before.

Also, I sorta agree with him. Popular characters as they are; popularity doesn't mean they're gonna make it in. It's the same stuff I've been saying over and over in the Marvel Vs. Capcom thread: Wishful thinking doesn't make things happen. Things are not on the players' hands and never were. I got broken on the worst possible ways to learn this lesson, but it seems you people like to dream.

You guys want Kung Jin and Takeda if they don't make it? Complain to Ed Boon. A lot. And if he listens to you, he'll put them on the second season. Because as far as we are into this, with the release being next month, the first one has already been long decided.

Edited by ZeroDozer on Mar 15th 2019 at 8:36:25 AM

Because the worst thing a guy can do is just have wishful thinking.

I think it's fine to upset about anything but you're most certainly going be judge for it regardless if it's reasonable or not. That's what I've been seeing lately.

Edited by agent-trunks on Mar 16th 2019 at 11:16:35 AM

I miss the days when I listened to people argue about how to unlock the green ninja and how to unlock Sonic and Tails even though they weren't even from the same company. That was always so chill and fun to listen to.

You talk like that how it wasn't like that back in the day

So basically what I'm garnering from all this is "video games were a mistake".

Serious talk now: I'm probably going to get eaten alive for this, but I personally want Ashrah and/or Nitara. I feel they're two of the biggest cases of wasted potential from the previous games that could possibly benefit from this whole new timeline thingamajig.

Remember when Ashrah was Raiden's wife all cause they share the same love of hats

Edited by FrozenWolf2 on Mar 17th 2019 at 8:35:34 AM

Nitara, yeah, Asharah got thrown in the same pit of “PS 2 era characters everyone hates”.

Well that's ridiculous.

Everyone knows Sindel is the only woman for Raiden because of their white hair.

But she's married!! No wonder Shoa kahn hates Raiden's guts... Always trying to steal his women!

"Raiden cucked Shao Kahn" is not the theory I expected to show up today but here we are.

I like Ashrah. She's got an interesting story to her. Pretty sure she's the only demon who tried so hard to fight her nature and be good she became eviler I can think of.

Edited by ShirowShirow on Mar 17th 2019 at 2:01:29 PM

But she was fairly one dimensional and that Knight Templar characterization came out in the clusterfuck that was Armageddon.

Well, she’d still be better than Siro from Mortal Kombat: Conquest.

The time period around MK 4 was not kind to the series.

Because the worst thing a guy can do is ask for a character to come back. Good grief. Again, I want to point out there was a time Bo Rai Cho used to be one of the most hated character in this series & then out of nowhere he became Ensemble Dark Horse. If someone like him can pull it off then there's no real reason to believe none of the post MK 4 cast can't do the same.

Doesn't change the fact that there plenty of people that still like those times. Look what happen to Tremor.

Edited by agent-trunks on Mar 17th 2019 at 4:49:53 AM

Counterpoint: Kobra

Sometimes, a character gives you nothing to work with. If there’s nothing to build on, then you’re trying to make something for them out of whole cloth and at that point, why not just make a new character?

Say what you will about Ashrah, Bo’ Rai Cho, Nitara, etc., but the one thing they’re not is generic.

Because a generic character is still a template to build off of. As noted, Tremor is a perfect example of this. When they were building the new continuity, they could have just given Kano a bunch of new characters to serve as flunkies. Instead, they pulled a character from an old and not well-liked spinoff game to fill the role.

This helped create a sense of consistency between the timelines while also giving an old character some new polish and bringing him into the modern era.

There's just no sense creating new characters to fill roles that an established character can fill just as well. That character might not have been the most well-known or popular in the past, but a new portrayal could be just the thing to turn that around.

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Careful. That kind of attitude is all it takes to let Hsu Hao make a come back.

All it takes is one of the creators thinking you know what? Lets give this another shot and there you go.

Every idea is a double edged in the world of fiction my friend.

How would those old characters exist in the first place if they were only ever dedicated to preserving what we had?

Because they were new concepts created to fill new roles, not to take roles from existing characters.

Kenshi didn't take a role from an old character. He was a brand new idea.

Mavado was a brand new idea, bringing into existence a rival Red Dragon clan to oppose Kano's Black Dragon.

Cyrax and Sektor were a brand new idea, bringing into existence the Lin Kuei Cyborg Initiative. And when there was a later idea to have a plague of cyborg ninjas, Sektor was brought out of character limbo to lead it, rather than creating some new guy like Kunin, Cyborg Leader of the Tekunin.

By contrast, Shujinko was a character literally created to be "next-gen Liu Kang". And we all saw what happened there.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Mar 17th 2019 at 6:09:24 AM

I feel like for most of the factions in MK there's space for more characters to represent them. The Shaolin really only had Liu and Lao prior to Kung Jin, just as one example. There was that black dude from 4 but he never made enough of an impact for anybody to really care.

I completely fell off the series in between 4 and 9 but from what I can gather that describes fandom reaction to the vast majority of new characters introduced in the games in that gap. I guess there's nothing stopping them from redesigning one of those oldies and presenting them as new, and there's something to be said about appealing to long term fans, but I don't think they're losing out on much by just coming up with brand new characters altogether.

MK Conquest.

What made this show so great was how frantic some of the fights were, how we had episodes where Scorpion fought Sub-Zero and Quan Chi fought Shang Tsung, and how it ended with literally every one of the heroes dying.

I think this show is the reason I could never get into Power Rangers.

Edited by Soble on Mar 17th 2019 at 5:47:21 AM