Are these Character Tropes?

I have a question to restart the thread: is Hitler Cam considered a story trope or a character trope?

Tropes dealing with camera, lighting etc usually do not belong to Character Sheets. The only exception I see is if a particular effect is used all the time in conjunction with a single character in the film. I.e. it is a "signature effect", so to say.

PS it probably warrants a separate trope though.

Edited by Asherinka on Jun 16th 2019 at 12:00:01 PM

Also, does Non-Dubbed Grunts count as a character or trivia trope?

Edited by gjjones on Jul 23rd 2019 at 9:17:14 AM

So I added a Truer to the Text entry on DCEU: Superman, Master Hero deleted it by saying its not a character trope.

Yet on the main page itself there are dozens of examples focusing on individual characters. Is it ok to re-add?

If the context is indeed about the character itself, then it has to go to the character trope.

Yeah, it was about how his characterization was more in line with his comic self as of the third movie than before.

On Interstellar, somebody copied the Big Bad entry from the characters sheet into the work page with following comment: Plenty of pages have it on both (the Star Wars pages, for example), as it is both a character and story trope; besides, Big Good is just below it, unaltered.

Is this a valid argument to keep concurrent entries of Big Good and Big Bad on both character and main work page? I would argue that since character pages are just extensions of the work page for examples that can be tied to a character, it's an unwarranted duplication.

Opinions?

Edited by eroock on Sep 5th 2019 at 4:38:16 AM

Maybe write a new entry to take away the duplication .

^^ I'd keep it on character sheets, but there is a general problem of work-character trope duplication, especially when they share a non-linear relationship (in franchises there is a pool of works and a pool of characters, and Character Sheets are not subpages of main work pages).

Can And the Adventure Continues go on a character sheet if the series ends with some of the main cast going off to have new adventures, while others of the main cast settle down?

The specific example I have in mind is Scootertrix the Abridged. The series ends with five of the seven main characters leaving to do new stuff, so another troper added And the Adventure Continues to each of the relevant characters' folders, rather than to the main page.

My initial reaction was that this should go on the main page instead, but I can sorta see the other troper's logic, too. Figured I should get more opinions.

That's 100% a main page trope.

Does Aw, Look! They Really Do Love Each Other belong on character sheets? Obviously it relates to characters relationships, but it seems like more of a plot trope- often it's the resolution to a plot thread or a turning point in a relationship-based story.

It's also one of those tropes that necessarily involves more than one character, leading to duplicated entries for each character involved.

Being in the main work page is okay.

If, say, there's a "general character folder" (usually if they're in the same group) that includes those two in, the info can be put in that folder.

I would also leave this on the main page.

Do dialogue tropes ("The Reason You Suck" Speech, Cluster F-Bomb, etc) go on Characters pages? I'm asking because I'm working on a long-overdue The Cry of Mann characters page, and need to know if I should move the dialogue tropes over, as well. I assume it's a yes, but no harm in asking.

My opinion is that a character sheet shouldn't just be a list of everything a character does in a work, it should be mainly about their characterization and personality. So I would only include dialog tropes if it's a consistent character trait (i.e. if they always deliver a "Reason You Suck" Speech whenever it's needed, not just one time). Others may disagree though.

That's partially why I'm torn, but dialogue also shows a lot of personality, character relationships, and more, so while it may be something a character does, it's also...well, part of what makes the character. Right? Wrong? Idk.

I'd say yes, you can put them in character pages.

Do we have tropes for sweary people, and I guess "The Reason You Suck" Speech would be the property of being a hero, or a certain type of one?

Sir Swears-a-Lot?

Anyway, the other thing that convinces me to put these sort of tropes on characters page is when the trope is already mostly on characters pages— that way, it's at least consistent placement.

I think those are fine on character pages. "The Reason You Suck" Speech, "World of Cardboard" Speech and the like are mostly used to show off the character rather than to advance the plot.

I agree that they are "part of what makes the character."

Edited by Asherinka on Nov 2nd 2019 at 5:31:00 PM

- Just because most everyone does it doesn't mean it's right.

- There should be a trope about why someone gives a "Reason You Suck" Speech or something? Or folded into some trope about their interaction with the villain or something.

Yes, I know, but do you have a reason for why these people are wrong besides personal preference?

- Hmm... How about this:

The analytical ability required of a character to make such a speech, might be a separate trope, that's only slightly related to "The Reason You Suck" Speech?

Edited by Malady on Nov 6th 2019 at 5:51:32 AM

I mean, not every TRYSP example involves analysis of someone's flaws... but I do get your point. Still, the consensus currently is that they're fine on the character's page.