Overshadowed By Controversy Cleanup

The games were definitely not Overshadowed by Controversy- by the time the games released, I think all the National Dex stuff had died down, and both games managed to become the fastest-selling games on the Switch. Only somewhat dedicated fans of the games knew of the controversy; some random person deciding to try out Pokémon for the first time or a kid aren’t gonna know or care about it.

It’s certainly an example of Broken Base, but as was stated, it’s hard to claim Overshadowed by Controversy when it’s selling so well. So yes, it should be cut.

Edit: I cut it myself.

Edited by DDRMASTERM on May 18th 2020 at 5:35:58 AM

While the National Dex cut is a case of Broken Base (and it's already mentioned there), the controversy didn't end up overshadowing the game as it became the fastest-selling Pokemon game. The controversy mostly died down outside of dedicated fan circles.

Well, this is a rather complicated example, but given that I haven't seen anything that mentions Dexit in recent times, I'll withhold my judgement until after the DLC releases.

Yeah, there's no way it's overshadowed when it outsold all of the games that do have the National Dex.

@WarJay77 Yes, that's what I meant.

Out of curiosity, is Lily Orchard/Peet's entry worth keeping? Aside from the fact that it seems to be a case of listing someone who has nothing overshadowed by the controversy, it reads more like a List of Transgressions. I believe there was a separate page made for her that got cut because it didn't fit at all.

The Lily Peet/Orchard entry is valid. Anybody who wasn’t previously a fan of her was mainly made aware of her from when she burned bridges with Josh Scorcher and other actions that got herself banned from Twitter, which takes a pretty serious offense. That said, it probably doesn’t need the List of Transgressions, something about her burning bridges with Josh Scorcher and extreme bias/politics could be sufficient.

Edited by DDRMASTERM on May 19th 2020 at 8:58:49 AM

• After Bing Crosby died, his eldest son, Gary, wrote a highly critical memoir, Going My Own Way, depicting his father as cruel, cold, remote, and physically and psychologically abusive, though his younger son Phillip denied this, though he didn't deny that he believed in corporal punishment.

Out of curiosity, is this new entry worth keeping? I don't want to let my personal opinion slip in, but I've never heard people talk about Bing Crosby being an abusive father. From what I see, he's best remembered for being a musician.

Yeah, I've never heard of that, personally.

Another List of Transgressions from the Web Original page:

• Mike Matei was already a somewhat divisive figure on Cinemassacre by some for his infamous Minecraft with Gadget and Elmo In Grouchland videos, as well as his occurring roles on AVGN which some accused as spotlight stealing, but was otherwise generally well respected by fans for the most part for helping James contribute to Angry Video Game Nerd. During the latter half of The New '10s, however, his reputation was tarnished when he boasted about his penis size on social media, complete with him showing a picture of it on the official Cinemassacre subreddit and deleted comments mentioning the incident, his mishandling of fan favorite Bootsy and Kyle Justin’s departure from the site and censoring conversation about them, his antagonistic behavior towards fans who disagree with his opinions on both YouTube and Twitter (going so far as to demand someone to unfollow him for questioning his stance on Disney and superhero movies), claiming the creators of Mortal Kombat models the Joker from Mortal Kombat 11 off of his take on AVGN which many saw as narcissistic, and his poorly made edgy webcomics The Loco Bandito coming to light made him a pariah among longtime Cinemassacre fans.

I was wondering if its worth putting the GM EV 1 in the Autombile section. If so, I have an entry written up for it.

"The General Motors EV 1 was one of the first mass-produced electric cars and had a moderate amount of success when it first came out. Today, it is best known for the fact that General Motors would forcefully repossessing several units of the car and destroying them (with a few intact units being disabled and donated to museums), believing that the car was unprofitable. The EV 1's discontinuation remains controversial to this day, with many accusing General Motors of deliberate self-sabotage, and accusing the oil industry of trying to keep electric cars off the road."

I definitely remember that one, so I’m personally inclined to say yes.

This isn't a list of transgressions, so that's perfectly fine to stay.

From the Automobiles section:

"The initial reaction to downsized Cadillacs in 1985-1986, starting with the Coupe/Sedan DeVille and Fleetwood, and continuing to the Eldorado and Seville models was this. The familiar land yachts were no more, particularly with those who valued size with their luxury vehicles. This despite the fact that Cadillac kept a traditionally-sized land yacht model in its lineup (the Fleetwood Brougham) until at least 1996 and the newer, lighter-weight cars performed well (if not better than all their ancestors) and were just as luxurious as their predecessors."

This reads more like a Broken Base to me than a controversy. Not to mention that the cars listed are still popular.

This is on YMMV.Teen Titans Go

• Overshadowed by Controversy: Teen Titans Go! is, without a doubt, one of the most controversial shows on Cartoon Network since it started airing in 2013, if not one of the most controversial cartoon shows period. The show has been given lots of advertising, reruns, and marathons, to the point that it has its own Adored by the Network page. Meanwhile, Cartoon Network's other shows (most notably Steven Universe and Adventure Time), both in-house and acquired, have either been under-advertised, given multiple month long hiatuses, or outright cancelled by the network, leading some to believe that the channel was deliberately sabotaging the shows, alienating their fanbases and potentially putting the people who worked on them out of jobs, just to make room for more Go! reruns. This, along with its Periphery Hatedom among older audiences, especially fans of the original Teen Titans, has overshadowed nearly every other aspect of the show, quite possibly every other new show on the network, and the career of former president Christina Miller, whom was responsible for turning the show into the flagship show of the network. It has gotten to the point where somebody legitimately vandalized her Cartoon Network Wiki page to list one of her jobs as "Ruin Cartoon Network".

That doesn't like like controversy substance to me. Just Adored by the Network + Periphery Hatedom

Agreed, it just seems like an excuse to complain.

There’s a case to be made, as Adored by the Network and Periphery Hatedom is a recipe for controversy, and the show’s affinity for Take That, Critics! doesn’t help. I personally haven’t seen much of the show personally, seems like a mediocre kids show from what I have, but the hatedom and overpromotion by Cartoon Network generally come to mind more than its actual quality.

Though, the more positive reception of its movies could be a counterpoint to qualifying for this trope.

Honestly, I'm inclined to think Teen Titans Go is legitimate. Most of the opinions I've seen from people who've actually watched the thing are meh-to-positive, yet wherever it's brought up, the conversation is dominated by the complaining and the back-and-forth between the show and its detractors.

^ I'll give the entry a tidy over (I don't think mentioning the wiki part is necessary), but for the most part, I think the entry is valid because of how reviled it is among Teen Titans fans.

I'm kinda raising my eyebrows at the last bulletpoint under Taylor Swift's entry, talking about her being accused of being "politically silent" during the 2016 election cycle. I'm not sure whether Swift counts as overshadowed, period, but I've never heard of the last point anywhere other than this page, it fails to define what her "political silence" actually means (not calling out other country stars' ties to the far-right, maybe?) or explain why it was a bigger deal for her, specifically, to be "silent" than any other celebrity or indeed anyone in general.

Edited by HamburgerTime on May 30th 2020 at 10:29:20 AM

So...because Taylor Swift decided not to get political in one of the most politically polarized years the US has ever had, that's somehow a controversy? In addition to it not being a criticism I've ever heard, it also takes the stance of "celebrities should get involved in politics", which is itself a controversial idea and issue as many people just don't care what celebs have to say about politics.

Definitely a warranted cut. A refusal to speak about politics is not by itself a controversy.

I mean, it could be for someone who is expected to weigh in on important political issues, like a head of state or a religious leader.

I don't follow music too closely, so correct me if I'm off-base here, but I don't think Taylor Swift is generally counted among that number.

Edited by HighCrate on May 31st 2020 at 2:53:56 AM