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Ghilz Fight it Out! from The Moon, Or Canada Relationship Status: Drift compatible
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Nov 3rd 2018 at 5:43:42 PM

Why would they make Warcraft 4 when they have a machine that prints money? This is why I hate MM Os.

That's not really an issue. Heck, the current WOW expansion is centered around a Warcraft-esque conflict of two factions and colliding armies.

Making a Warcraft game and a WOW expansion that cover the same events but from different angle could actually be pretty cool a concept.

Nov 3rd 2018 at 5:48:46 PM

Honestly they could just remake WC 1 and WC 2 in WC 3 remaster as expansions and line up the lore to actually be consistent. IE make the Kingdom of Stormwind and the Planet be Azeroth in WC 1's story instead of the 'Kingdom of Azeroth'.

Give it new voice work to match the insane changes of some of the character's V As got like Hellscream between WC 2 and 3.

Edited by Memers on Nov 3rd 2018 at 5:50:14 AM

Nov 3rd 2018 at 6:24:31 PM

I heard rumors that the Heroes are Purely Aesthetic Gender now. I've tried to get more information out of it, but nothing really concrete. Can anyone help me validate these rumors?

LordVatek Not really a lord of anything
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Nov 3rd 2018 at 6:27:28 PM

I know that they're offering a Jaina skin for Archmages in competitive. Beyond that I don't know.

Edited by LordVatek on Nov 3rd 2018 at 9:27:47 AM

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VutherA Thank you, Monty Oum. from Canada Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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Nov 3rd 2018 at 9:53:04 PM

I have just found claims that there will indeed be female versions of heroes. Somewhere else I read that Blizzard said in general there will be different skin versions of the heroes (e.g. your Paladin can also look and sound like Arthas or Uther).

Edited by VutherA on Nov 3rd 2018 at 12:57:49 PM

FrozenWolf2 Avatar of War from Have you seen me?
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Nov 3rd 2018 at 11:41:01 PM

The main issue is they are gonna clearly make Malfurion and Illidan Good Twin/Evil Twin

when originally They were both fairly flawed characters till one needed to be a saint and the other needed to be so self absorbed he can't even take losing without his fragile mind shattering.

Kael... oh god They are gonna rewrite to fully justify Kael's stupid descent into one dimensional villainy when he's one of the most sympathetic characters in WC 3

"But old memories seldom fade and bad habits die hard."
Nov 3rd 2018 at 11:47:26 PM

It seems we'll be getting a female Demon Hunter at least. Though it does make me wonder if there's going to be a Mountain Queen for the Human race. Or a Moon Priest for the Night Elves.

Female Dreadlord is easy to imagine thanks to Dreadlord Jaina.

[up]Well, they did made Illidan into an Anti-Hero by Legion and retconned a lot of his actions in the process. I'm not sure if Evil Twin is the route they are going to choose.

Edited by Shadao on Nov 3rd 2018 at 11:49:15 AM

Druplesnubb Editor of Posts
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Nov 4th 2018 at 5:12:32 AM

I seriously can't remember Malfurion ever having any character flaws in WC 3. Even when it comes to the Night Elves characteristic xenophobia he was the first to suggest allying with the outsiders against the Legion.

Edited by Druplesnubb on Nov 4th 2018 at 2:12:41 PM

Nov 4th 2018 at 8:01:13 AM

It's been forever since I played, but top of my head I remember he turned into a huge asshole wherever Illidan was concerned. Starting by forbidding Tyrande from freeing him (which pissed her off), and then treating him like an irredeemable villain throughout the game. He was seemingly proven right when Illidan absorbed the Skull of Gul'dan, but still.

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Nov 4th 2018 at 8:31:12 AM

Basically Tyrande and Malfurion had Flipped expectations of Illidan 'iE the sunwell trilogy makes it where Tyrande can barely stand Illidan and Furion is always giving him a chance'

Tyrande saw Illidan as potential ally who could redeem himself, Furion saw Illidan as irredeemable and THEN FLIPPED THE FUCK OUT when Illidan absorbed the skull of guldan... which in hindsight he needed to so he could take out Tichondrius Aka the legions second in command Its kinda funny since Furion pulls a What I had to do just next mission on Archimonde , All Illidan did was fucks himself up... Furion fucks up his whole race!'

Granted Yeah it looked like Illidan had turned into a Demon just for power 'again' but its not like Furion gave Illidan any chance to explain himself before banishing him while Illidan pretty much kept his end of the bargain with Tyrande

Furion in the Game is Kinda full of himself and a dick.

Really the changes in their relationships only make sense if your trying to simplify it but it utterly ruins their motives 'I suppose they were trying to get rid of the Love triangle aspect by making Illidan's be a one sided affection... Granted this was back when they were trying to justify pure EVIL Illidan

IE Tyrande being the one to dislike Illidan makes her decision to DEFY Furion and Slaughter the Wardens to free Illidan come off like she's insane...

Watch they'll change it to where Furion is the one to suggest freeing Illidan to Tyrande's chargin

but then that ruins Maeiv's motives cause then if a fight breaks out between Tyrande and the wardens its cause the Warden's are defying direct orders from Their Preistess and Arch Druid

Gawd Damn it see how Wo W's retroactive writing has ruined everything!

"But old memories seldom fade and bad habits die hard."
LordVatek Not really a lord of anything
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Nov 4th 2018 at 8:33:53 AM

To be fair, Malfurion's current characterization in WoW is "Kill all Horde". Same with Tyrande.

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Nov 4th 2018 at 8:37:48 AM

The Horde kinda burnt down their Capital, and enslaved like 80% of their population

Here is the problem with the Wo W Alliance/Horde Boa has presented.

The Horde pretty much needs to cease to exist, Thrall's horde wasn't a military pact so much as the Orc clans trying to pack up and leave getting whacky allies along the way.

The Current horde has a bunch of strange bedfellows forced into defending themselves cause The Two main races that make up the bulk of the hordes Military power KEEP FINDING WAYS TO PUT THE WORST PERSON IN A POSITION WHERE THEIR AUTHORITY CAN NOT BE CHALLENGED SAVE A DEATH DUEL

Edited by FrozenWolf2 on Nov 4th 2018 at 10:48:02 AM

"But old memories seldom fade and bad habits die hard."
theLibrarian That all you got? from his own little world
That all you got?
Nov 4th 2018 at 8:47:59 AM

And that was before Battle for Azeroth tongue

At least, I think so xD I don't play WOW.

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Nov 4th 2018 at 10:05:12 AM

I still don't understand why you think they would change Illidan or Malfurion's writing, nor why they would need to. Tyrande beileves Illidan could be an ally but Malfurion distrusts him. When he absorbs the Skull of Gul'Dan (which was not just to defeat Tichondrius and help win the war, the thing that makes him ignore his distrust of a plan suggsted by a Death Knight is Arthas' tempting him by pointing out how it will give him the magic power he's always wanted), Tyrande and Malfurion assume the worst and denounce him. Illidan then starts to serve Kil'Jaeden (something he seemed pretty chill with doing even before he learned that Kil'Jaeden wanted him to destroy the Lich King), and enact his plan to kill Ner'Zhul by tearing the planet apart. Malfurion stops him, but after they team up to save Tyrande they let him flee to Outland. No inconsistencies with current lore whatsoever. He didn't really go full tyrant until after the game ends and that's generally explained as him being too butthurt over losing to Arthas (which happens at the very end of WC 3 so it has zero effect on his character during that period), him looking too deep into the Skull of Gul'Dan and him simply doing what was necessary to fight the Legion.

Edited by Druplesnubb on Nov 4th 2018 at 7:06:47 PM

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Nov 4th 2018 at 10:25:52 AM

Man, I'm glad I quit WOW after Wrath, hopefully some of this nuttier lore doesn't impact Reforged too much though. Overall I'm excited for it though.

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Nov 4th 2018 at 10:47:03 AM

Warcraft has this weird thing where every retcon of the lore is awesome, but creates giant glaring problems like "Why the hell didn't anyone ever mention this before?" Some of the things (like the discovery that dwarves were originally stone) are explicitly new discoveries, but then there are things like the Bug War the night elves have had to deal with for centuries, or the troll religion and fallen empires, or the very name of the human kingdoms. Warlords of Draenor managed to justify much of its new stuff because most of the weird stuff on Draenor was extinct in the original timeline, but still.

The characterization retcons have no real excuse, though, and are pure Conflict Ball to draw out the Horde vs Alliance.

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Nov 4th 2018 at 12:11:12 PM

The Scarab War actually gets alluded to in Frozen Throne, when Maiev tells a naga that the Night Elves have defeated several races throughout the years (they also destroyed the Satyr's civilization, and possibly others).

theLibrarian That all you got? from his own little world
That all you got?
Nov 4th 2018 at 12:51:27 PM

It would surprise me considering they had rulers like Azshara leading them.

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Nov 4th 2018 at 12:59:00 PM

Maybe she was hands-off enough to let military competence emerge.

theLibrarian That all you got? from his own little world
That all you got?
Nov 4th 2018 at 1:00:33 PM

Meant to say wouldn't, rather than would.

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Nov 4th 2018 at 1:05:08 PM

Oh, then yeah. She was definitely a person absorbed with herself, and that definitely can lead to imperial ambitions.

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Nov 4th 2018 at 2:51:32 PM

Neat!

I've played the campaigns of ROC and TFT more than a half dozen times. It was one of the first games I ever really played on PC.

I'll definitely be grabbing this at some point.

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Nov 4th 2018 at 4:11:58 PM

Let's hope they have added some more Easter Eggs for the campaigns.

Instead of focusing on relatives that divide us, maybe we should try to find the absolutes that tie us.
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Nov 4th 2018 at 4:36:09 PM

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"But old memories seldom fade and bad habits die hard."
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Nov 4th 2018 at 7:30:20 PM

Let's hope they have added some more Easter Eggs for the campaigns.

Maybe they'll do one where the remastered characters meet their original models and selves. Idle animations and all.

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