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Oct 28th 2018 at 4:39:01 PM

Poster gjjones went and added End of an Age entries on the main work pages for a couple of Studio Ghibli films with examples that involve behind the scenes information, like:

  • The Wind Rises is the final Ghibli film to feature Toshio Suzuki as an active producer, as well as the last to be distributed by Disney in North America as part of a deal they negotiated way with Ghibli's former parent company Tokuma Shoten in 1996.
  • When Marnie Was There: Due to Studio Ghibli's restructuring, this is the last Ghibli film to feature Hiromasa Yonebayashi as director and Yoshiaki Nishimura as producer.
  • Porco Rosso is the last Studio Ghibli film to not have any CGI or digital coloring.
  • Princess Mononoke is the last film to feature no involvement from Disney, who acquired the license to the Studio Ghibli films one year before the film's release. Starting with Spirited Away, Disney would become Ghibli's Japanese home media distributor. It's also the final film with Yoshifumi Kondo as an animator.
  • The Tale of the Princess Kaguya is the final Ghibli film to be directed by Isao Takahata, ending a 45-year career as a director.
  • Howl's Moving Castle: The final Ghibli film to be produced by Studio Ghibli before it split off from Tokuma Shoten in March 2005, ending nearly seven years as a subsidiary of that company.

As far as I understand this trope is solely for in-universe action. Are the examples worth moving to the Trivia sections with an out-of-universe note or should they be cut altogether?

Edited by eroock on Oct 28th 2018 at 2:42:36 PM

AnotherDuck No, the other one. from Stockholm Relationship Status: In season
No, the other one.
Oct 28th 2018 at 5:25:53 PM

As I said before when this came up, even disregarding the In-Universe thing, all of these are very minor compared to what the trope is about. Those are not "ages". They're smaller parts of the whole industry, and just a singular company isn't enough to affect that. There could possibly be an exception if it's a monopoly, but that's hardly the case here. And even then it's still a very weak case.

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Oct 28th 2018 at 5:44:23 PM

I am actually interested in the In-Universe thing. No idea what was last discussed on the topic because the search function is broken.

gjjones Musician/Composer from South Wales, New York
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Oct 28th 2018 at 6:11:57 PM

Per eroock's PM, I'm going to voice my opinion on this.

The first time I brought it up was on the "Is this an Example?" thread regarding Diamonds are Forever. The latest discussion about this trope in the same thread regarding Power Rangers Ninja Steel. I would also agree with WhirlRX's concerns that Studio Ghibli are very minor periods in comparison to what the trope is after. As such, we can simply remove those particular entries from the articles in question as misuse.

Also, we might consider moving real-life examples of this trope to the trivia section of the appropriate articles if it's absolutely necessary.

Edited by gjjones on Oct 28th 2018 at 9:37:25 AM

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Oct 28th 2018 at 7:06:00 PM

^ It's gonna be absolutely necessary if the trope is in fact an In-Universe trope.

gjjones Musician/Composer from South Wales, New York
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Oct 28th 2018 at 8:43:40 PM

I've actually discovered that the particular trope's page has a real-life section.

No matter who you are, always be yourself.
Oct 29th 2018 at 3:52:18 AM

RL examples are in-universe examples of human existence. That's not the same thing as meta-information to a work. I am fine with moving those examples to the Trivia sections.

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Oct 29th 2018 at 5:30:13 AM

Isn't there a separate trope for "the last work that the creator writes/an actor plays in/etc"?

Never trust tropers with "trope" in their name. Chances are, it's not their first account.
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Oct 29th 2018 at 10:31:14 AM

[up] There's Swan Song, but that's specifically about the last work a creator worked on before they died.

Nov 5th 2018 at 3:59:12 PM

Gonna move the entries away from the work pages.

gjjones Musician/Composer from South Wales, New York
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Nov 5th 2018 at 4:23:33 PM

Oh, and can we add “A meta example” to the trivia entries to make more sense?

There's a relevant thread for real-life maintenance if we can ask if this trope is for in universe or out of universe use.

Edited by gjjones on Nov 5th 2018 at 7:36:28 AM

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Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay
it's a living
Nov 5th 2018 at 6:00:53 PM

So this latest edit on Cowboy Bebop was moved to Trivia:

While it's a deliberate parallel to the end of the real-world Wild West (and for that matter the era of freedom that followed the collapse of the old studio system in Hollywood), the example is referring to an in-universe age, the end of the colonization race across the solar system and the frontier wildness that came with it.

AnotherDuck No, the other one. from Stockholm Relationship Status: In season
No, the other one.
Nov 5th 2018 at 6:24:24 PM

Someone probably thought it was unclear that it was in-universe. It's a little bit ambiguous, since you need to know the works mentioned to understand their meaning. It's not a clearly written example.

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Edited by AnotherDuck on Nov 6th 2018 at 6:57:04 PM

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Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay
it's a living
Nov 5th 2018 at 6:32:53 PM

Alright, how about this?

  • End of an Age: The show gives the sense that the short-lived Wild West IN SPACE! era has already peaked, and the frontier era brought about by rapid colonization of the solar system is coming to a close. In keeping with the meta sensibilities of the series, this goes hand-in-hand with the show's various nods to late-period Westerns like The Wild Bunch and Ride the High Country, not to mention the window of time when those movies were made, i.e. The '70s: after the fall of Hollywood's old studio system, before the rise of the new blockbuster era.

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay
it's a living
Nov 5th 2018 at 8:44:18 PM

Cool, editing now.

gjjones Musician/Composer from South Wales, New York
Musician/Composer
Nov 13th 2018 at 10:14:53 PM

On the ATT thread I started, rjd1922 said that he doesn't think real-life examples should be removed.

[down][down][down] Thanks for catching that error. Fixed my post to reflect that.

Edited by gjjones on Nov 16th 2018 at 12:32:08 PM

No matter who you are, always be yourself.
Nov 14th 2018 at 12:23:45 AM

Maybe out of universe things should get its own trope?

Nov 14th 2018 at 2:23:21 AM

IMO, RL examples would:

a) have to reach a certain scale like when the Roman Empire crumbled not "this was the last film by inspirational creator X". How did this affect the RL of the people of our time? I believe rjd1922 would agree on that.

b) be listed for the RL entity it belongs to. In the Ghibli examples, it should go on the pages of the creators.

Edited by eroock on Nov 14th 2018 at 12:28:22 PM

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay
it's a living
Nov 15th 2018 at 11:11:58 PM

[up][up][up]Rjd said he didn't think real life examples should be removed, so kind of the opposite of that.

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