RWBY Spoilers Thread

A new preview show off some small new footage [1]

Only thing new seems to be Blake and Yang fighting Robyn. Interesting nonetheless though.

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Is it just me or did Yang and Blake's scowls at Marrow seem incredibly hostile/inappropriate? He wasn't really being rude and it's not like he was being critical of either party's skills.

They probably spent too much time with their shippers

A rose by any other name would smell as sweet Unless I grew it. In that case, throw it in the trash.

RT got sick of hearing "pandering!" or "Adam got killed for this!" And has thus dedicated volume 7 to rubbing the Sault in the wound at every given opportunity

Things are really about to get Fun around here

If that really was the case, then it would ultimately just turn me off the pairing. The mere fact it was done first out of pandering then out of spite and that they refuse to stop pushing it would pretty much be insulting.

If you're gonna pair them together, don't do it just to piss people off or please people. Do it cause you wanted to write it and write it in a way that doesn't telegraph "Oh, you don't like this ship? Well fuck you, you get to have it shoved in your face." or "There, ya happy now shipping asses!"

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Even if that isn't the case, I feel like the way its written is rather jarring if they're indeed canon.

• In Volumes 1-3, their relationship was largely confined to Volume 2 and based more on subtext, since in Volume 1 Yang was largely Out of Focus, and in Volume 3 Blake was largely Out of Focus, meaning their relationship was in turn Out of Focus both volumes outside of Adam cutting Yang's arm off.
• In Volume 4 & 5, Yang's abandonment issues make her practically despise Blake up until Weiss reads her the Riot Act, and Blake is so wrapped up in self pity she needs to be read the Riot Act by Sun. Yet the two are so wrapped up in their own issues they don't even interact till the very end of Volume 5.
• In Volume 6, its a mix of subtle and in your face. Subtle in that Blake is obviously trying to mend bridges and that despite Yang saying its okay, she's clearly uncomfortable, and in your face with how obvious Blake makes some of her attempts and the whole spiel from Adam about "What does she even see in you?!" combined with their mutual Declaration of Protection capable of being seen as a love confession.
• Now in Volume 7, its just in your face. We've got awkward comments/possibly flirting, them being offended at Marrow suggesting they work with others, the two pretty much being attached to the hip like Ren and Nora, and even them fighting Robyn together as a result.

I wish however they'd just have the balls to confirm or deconfirm it already. It doesn't even need to be anything extravagant, just a simple "I Love You" or a kiss on the lips! You don't need to keep up the ambiguity! If this keeps up any longer I fear we'll hit Romantic Plot Tumor!
The only reason I'd accept them still prolonging this shit is if they are aware of how toxic sounding the relationship currently is with all the emotional baggage and literal blood on their hands as a result of it, and want the two to actually develop and move past their trauma and grief before taking it further. But even then if they don't resolve that by time we hit Vacuo and Sun returns, unless they outright confirm Blake and Sun aren't attracted to each other, then we'll be back to the stupid Love Triangle!

Edited by RebelFalcon on Dec 4th 2019 at 1:13:13 PM

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It wouldn’t be the first time that there’d be a message that becomes akin to a meta-narrative.

This instance is cyclical hatred, spite and excessive zealotry.

Then again, I’m probably just insane

[DATA LOST]

That's why I said it's Strawman Has a Point. Dude has a legit reason for saying it and he gets treated as a hostile because Gods forbid an Atleasean solve everyone's problems.

I don't think he's intended to have a point given that they show off their (horribly inefficient) teamwork to prove him wrong. I think he's just well meaning and they're assholes.

I just think it was a poorly executed scene regardless of what it was trying to say.

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Count me in disagreement; Blake and Yang have been working alongside each other for around a year and killed many a Grimm and white fang leader together, then someone who they only met last week says "yeah I don't think you two can work well together". Even with Marrow's good intentions it is insulting to their shared history together.

Yeah Marrow insinuating that he knows how these two people he’s known for a few day work together better then they do is kinda insulting. They’re right to be annoyed at him for that.

That's not what he said at all, and I don't see it being different from the other advice given by the ACE Ops (except that he was apparently wrong).

He literally starts to say there styles don't mesh.

Which is an abused statement just based on the fights they had in the first 3 volumes, let alone after V6

Edited by Slater130 on Dec 4th 2019 at 2:52:57 AM

Marrow didn't see their fights of the first three volumes. He was commenting at a moment when they were both just standing back, side by side, and attacking from a distance (Yang with guns and Blake extending her ribbon). He therefore may simply have not had a chance to see their style range until they deliberately demonstrated it.

I also see the scene as being about Marrow in some ways. He's effectively trying to understand why they're paired off as a team. What he knows is that you get paired together based on skill set compatibility, and that baseline is what he's search for in the heroes. He can't immediately see it and so is confused. Then Blake and Yang demonstrate it, and he gets it.

I just want to see the faces of the Ace Ops when they're told how Ozpin put his teams together.

Edited by Wyldchyld on Dec 4th 2019 at 11:37:20 AM

If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.

My guess would be there's something similar at all four academies, since at this point emphasis is on learning to adapt to diverse situations rather than optimal effectiveness. Once they've learned in relative safety to play the hand they're dealt, then they can stack the deck for the main event.

Edited by TwinBird on Dec 4th 2019 at 4:12:17 AM

My posts make considerably more sense read in the voice of John Ratzenberger.

I wonder if we're going to get an episode this volume that doesn't cause the fans to debate the Bumbleby. Who am I kidding that's never going to happen.

That could well be the case, but in the DVD Commentaries (I think it might be V5's) the creators do mention Ozpin being the kind of person who initially comes across as a troll, but there is actually a genuine point behind his quirks (a 'method to the madness' idea). In this case, Ozpin's working from the point-of-view that, in life, people have to learn how to work together in harmony even if they don't personally like each other — they still have to find a way to overcome those feelings for to achieve something good, and his method of pairing students together is their first lesson in that idea (a concept he did strongly imply when warning the students on the cliff top before they were launched into the forest).

While it might be the case that the other headmasters follow the same philosophy, what we've heard about Vacuo from After the Fall and what little we've heard about the Ace Ops suggests that other headmasters might have different methods for creating teams. The Ace Ops may be a minor variation on Ozpin's concept because they're matched by skill set so have to learn to get along; however, the Ace Ops did imply there may also some accounting of personality compatibility involved in that matching process, which would mitigate Ozpin's concept to at least some degree.

If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.

So you're saying Oz was a Trickster Mentor?

...eh, I can buy that. Certainly lines up with the rest of his characterization.

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Well, Nora's a "wasp." And I guess we can say for certain now that Renora was hitherto not canon. I think this is the first explicit acknowledgment that Yang and Blake might be a thing.

Guessing that's all we're going to see of FNKI, or at least of Neon, at least voiced (cf. their appearance in the last few episodes of V3), likely because Turney's on a per session basis.

I had been thinking that the idea of Jacques as Trump was silly - more of a Koch/Soros/Adelson type - but this sequence of going from 70/30 to victory, likely by virtue of Watts' manipulations, has me worried. Probably his victory was planned from quite early on, but I do hope that they're not going to try to make a statement in something that's, frankly, not equipped for it.

How do these council elections work, anyway, that Jacques and Robyn would be in direct opposition? Do they hold a kingdom-wide election whenever someone retires or dies?

I note Robyn says "citizens... and Faunus." Are Faunus not full citizens, sort of like Samoans?

Edited by TwinBird on Dec 7th 2019 at 8:28:13 AM

My posts make considerably more sense read in the voice of John Ratzenberger.

Well, Nora may be the first person I've seen employ a "Shut Up" Kiss on someone who's problem is that they're always shut up.

Good job rigging the election Watts - Atlas uses digitized voting instead of paper ballots, so he could manipulate the count from the first ballot to give Robyn an early lead and make a last minute upset plausible, and there were two other people running who he probably used as siphons to make it even less questionable.

Poor Penny. This is now the second time one of RWBY & Co. have been framed by like this, but instead of Yang, via Emerald's semblance, its Penny, via a blackout and Tyrian murdering a lot of people. Also Ruby and Tyrian look directly at each other, so now both sides are aware of the other's presence.

From the camera footage of Penny (specifically a loop of her thrusting one of her swords into a grimm) he had running before the attack and next to a stream of Tyrian during the attack, it looks like Watts' puppeteering controlled or guided Tyrian's strikes such that the wounds would appear consistent with Penny's weapons; nice attention to detail there. That or he's just a hammy asshole.

I caught that citizens and faunus distinction as well. I would assume that Marrow and Neon have citizenship, so it could be either that faunus have nominal citizenship but in practice its second-class at best for anyone who isn't a Hunter, or it could be a Starship Troopers style "service guarantees citizenship!"

Edited by TheAirman on Dec 7th 2019 at 10:58:29 AM

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• The riot has been quelled, its obvious this is just the beginning. Especially with it being voting day.
• The mini Arma Gigas and Weiss' smile was adorable. As is Blake's inability to dance. And Fiona in general. And Ruby and Penny in general.
  • Speaking of which, no, I'm not blind to the fact that it looks like Yang and Blake are dating at this point. I just wish the CRWBY would stop being coy and just confirm it already. Again, a simple lip kiss or an "I love you" is all that's needed for full on confirmation. Get rid of the ambiguity already you cowards! Or better yet, put them in therapy first so they can sort out their issues, then do it!
• Ruby's actually thinking her Semblance through more, and can now consciously using the Rose split.
• Interesting thing with Ren and how it seemed he tuned everyone out. Also interesting how Nora is so adamant they try and approach Robyn.
  • It's still weird to actually see Ren and Nora more openly fighting. It actually kinda calls back to their fight when Ren almost killed himself facing Knucks. Ren is more focused on the future threat and wants to tackle it despite what it is doing to him, while Nora wants everyone to keep calm and just relax for a bit while they worry about more immediate things.
  • And of course Nora and Ren represent the fans in regards to Bumblebee. I'm honestly leaning towards Ren's interpretation with Yang being the one with the obvious feelings and Blake being oblivious. Certainly fits with the body language she has around Yang being tense and how Yang has been initiating the conversations this volume.
  • I won't lie, I cheered when Nora finally kissed Ren. Finally it seems Renora is canon!
• Nice seeing Penny and Marrow on their own. I maintain that Marrow will have Conflicting Loyalty among the Ace Ops thanks to his new friendship with the others. Also, got a nice chuckle out of Penny's fist bump to Ruby. Rubes really should have saw that coming.
• Looks like we get a glimpse of Watts "weapon", a pair of gloves that likely aid in his hacking.
• And Tyrian proceeds to cause a massacre. And Watts it seems can hack Penny! He hacked her so that she can't register Tyrian on her scanners!
• And Tyrian just slashed and poisoned Fiona. Goddammit, she really was the Sacrificial Lamb! But it seems we got a glimpse of his Semblance. It looked like a purple energy that let him bypass Fiona's aura. And now we see what the plan was: frame Penny for what Tyrian did while Watts hacks the election allowing Jacques to win. And all the negativity attracts hoards of Manticores to Mantle and causes mass chaos that Ruby, Marrow, Ren, and Nora are forced to handle.
• It's honestly sad that Robyn now blames Penny. She looked so betrayed thinking Penny did this, proving my point that she had considered Penny one of their own. Same with Marrow desperately trying to tell Robyn it wasn't them.
• Yep, it would seem now everything is fucked.
  • With Jacques on the council, any attempt of Ironwood's will be stonewalled by him, and Jacques can bribe the other two council men to follow his agenda, and by proxy, Salem's.
  • Robyn and her Happy Huntresses will officially be enemies of the Atlesian Military, and likely aid in radicalizing Mantle which will lead to the Civil War. And if Fiona dies from the poisoning....
  • Penny is now Persona Non Grata in Mantle, and with the knowledge Watts can hack her to an extent at least^* If he could fully hack her he'd have just made her cause the massacre rather than have Tyrian do anything. any attempts at using Penny to fight back instead make her a liability.

I think its safe to say this is Atlas' Darkest Hour.

Edited by RebelFalcon on Dec 7th 2019 at 11:48:38 AM

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I buy it, although I don't know if she's oblivious as much as ambivalent. She's (we're told) pretty bright. It would fit with the flirting - since that certainly was flirting - three episodes ago.

My posts make considerably more sense read in the voice of John Ratzenberger.

It's worse than Tyrian making the wounds look like Penny's work: It appears that Watts is manipulating the footage in such a way that the cameras show Penny killing those people! You can see it right at 14:17.

Statera est clavem

So ironwood is falling for the same damn trick cinder and her team used back in volume 3

what goes around come around.

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