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Gaogaigar54 Since: Jan, 2020
#3276: Nov 28th 2020 at 12:41:08 PM

[up][up]No the only member of Team RWBY I think get's unfairly Ron The Death Eatered is Ruby.

[up][up][up]As someone who has stress and anxiety problems. That dosn't entitle me to a free pass, when it boils over and I act like an ass to someone, nor should it. And it certainly dosn't entitle Ren to one here either.

The fact is Ren's motivation for his rant wasn't to get the point across, it's because he was pissed and wanted to vent.

Edited by Gaogaigar54 on Nov 28th 2020 at 12:41:43 PM

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#3277: Nov 28th 2020 at 12:44:33 PM

The fact Ren brings up Beacon to Jaune(Something even he realizes was too far) makes it pretty clear he was just trying to vent out on his stress.

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#3278: Nov 28th 2020 at 12:44:33 PM

[up][up]No it wasn't. Ren was content with just keeping his mouth shut and, at worst, being a little snippy. It's just Yang, not knowing to leave well enough alone, got confrontational and said "Sorry if thing's aren't going smoothly enough for you." Ren wouldn't have said anything had Yang not goaded him.

And yeah, mental trauma doesn't give someone a pass, but it doesn't give people the right to dismiss what they're saying or get pissy when they express they aren't in a good place.

[up]It's why I said it's him building up shit. But he wasn't saying it to be spiteful, he even had used the transcripts to justify why he didn't think they were ready. Cause right before the transcripts were said, he said "Ruby is still a kid, I'm just an orphan from the middle of nowhere", and then he said the transcripts after Jaune tried to interject again. It was a heat of the moment thing, hence why he looked ashamed of himself. The rest of the argument though... that had been building up for awhile now, since the night of the massacre.

Edited by RebelFalcon on Nov 28th 2020 at 3:50:32 PM

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#3279: Nov 28th 2020 at 12:51:50 PM

[up]At the end of the day there are better ways to express yourself, because when you're and asshole about it people will be disinclined to listen to you.

I'm not saying he shouldn't have been firm, but he certainly went beyond that, especially considering he targeted the most hurtful stuff at the person least to blame (Jaune).

To use another example of a character in the same show bottling up her frustrations and letting them boil over. Ruby, more specificly Ruby at the farm in V6. She was plenty pissed off with the situation and everyone else and it was starting to boil over (in her case due her mostly being nonconfrontational). And yes I know we aren't supposed to say nice things about Ruby here, but at the end of the day, she did channel that anger towards something productive and never let it cloud her empathy. And whatever else can be said about her in other situations, she went about handling her bottle up feelings in the right way in that situation.

Edited by Gaogaigar54 on Nov 28th 2020 at 12:56:32 PM

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#3280: Nov 28th 2020 at 12:51:54 PM

Point is yang, the one who got e Luke skywalker treatment from Adam shouldn't be so dismissive of other pain.

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#3281: Nov 28th 2020 at 12:58:18 PM

[up][up]That's no way near the most hurtful thing he could have said. The most hurtful thing he could have done was bring up Pyrrha, since that's something he knows is still hurting Jaune, specifically cause he and Nora managed to reach out to him in Argus over it.

It's why he brought up the transcripts, since it was ultimately in service of the point he was making. Even when saying it on reflex, he still only said something that supported his point, that they aren't ready.

Also, the farm comparison falls flat because not only was everyone affected by the apathy, the only one she had legitimate frustration with was Qrow's drinking, and even then it wasn't a case of "repressing emotions" for her, it was not letting her frustration consume her. There's a difference, especially since Ruby actually supressing emotions comes up in other moments, namely when Salem brings up Summer, causing her to break down for a sec.

[up]Thank You.

Edited by RebelFalcon on Nov 28th 2020 at 4:01:17 AM

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#3282: Nov 28th 2020 at 1:01:10 PM

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#3283: Nov 28th 2020 at 1:13:36 PM

[up][up]It was a needlessly hurtful thing to say, because Jaune had already proven himself ten times over by this point and of all the people he wanted to vent to, Jaune was leas to blame and arguably the one who he has his head screwed on straight the most.

Jaune wasn't being confrontational or even disagreeing with Ren, he was just trying to defuse the situation and Ren ultimately lashed out at him for the crime of being there. And I didn't say it was the most hurtful thing he could have said, it's the most hurtful words he that were said in the confrontation.

As for Ruby, she does have a tendency to not be confrontational with people and not be assertive. When people (or at least people she dosn't perceive as bad guys) talk shit to her face, she tends to just stand there and take it. And she was clearly pretty annoyed with everyone else giving Oscar the cold shoulder, when she and Maria were the only ones who were actualy trying to treat the kid with some empathy. Apathy or no apathy she had frustrations with her teammates in that situation.

I would also say that a lot of Ren's "we aren't real huntsmen" argument, falls flat because they aren't exactly rookies this point and had already been shown to handle themselves better than the "real huntsmen" on multiple occasions.

Edited by Gaogaigar54 on Nov 28th 2020 at 1:26:14 AM

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#3284: Nov 28th 2020 at 1:13:54 PM

It has to be stated that by this point everyone has been awake for over 24 hours trapped in high pressure situations for most of it. People aren’t exactly in the best mental or physical state to be making rational decisions.

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#3285: Nov 28th 2020 at 2:14:45 PM

[up][up]The only "Real" huntsmen we've seen are Qrow, Raven, Glynda, Oobleck, Port, Tai, Theo, Rumpole, the Ace-Ops, the Happy Huntresses, and Ironwood. You're saying the main cast are really better then them? And don't say yes to the Ace-Ops, since the only legitimate win among them was Weiss v. Marrow, and that was because Marrow was holding back. Vine and Elm losing was bullshit, and Harriet was beaten by herself + Inertia Is a Cruel Mistress.

The only other instances you could argue are Carmine, Bertilak, Dee, and Dudley, but the latter two only barely passed, and the former had to be pitted against each other to even beat.

They aren't rookies. But they are no where near ready yet, especially because they were thrown into a warzone thanks to Salem wanting Ruby years before they should have. They aren't huntsmen. They aren't ready. But they don't have the luxury of being ready anymore. Right now, it's live or die, so instead of going off half cocked thinking things will work out, they need to accommodate for their shortcomings, lest they all end up dead. This belief that they have to do something and can't just stand aside cause they aren't ready yet will do nothing but get them killed. It already did with Pyrrha.

They need to work with the people who actually know what they're doing, who can give them direction, who can make the tough decisions. They thought that was Ironwood, but it wasn't. They need Ozpin.

Edited by RebelFalcon on Nov 28th 2020 at 5:21:10 AM

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#3286: Nov 28th 2020 at 2:17:17 PM

[up] And literally the only reason Dee and Dudley were actually around is because someone made it so that all the Huntsmen in the area died.

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#3287: Nov 28th 2020 at 2:18:06 PM

[up]Yet another reason I am so happy Lionheart got what he deserved.

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#3288: Nov 28th 2020 at 2:21:39 PM

I don't think the main cast are better then all huntsman, but I feel like Rens overall point is still wrong.

His point is that they should have just left it to the adults with the expirience, when all the adults are wrecks too. Bigger wrecks, honestly.

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#3289: Nov 28th 2020 at 2:28:21 PM

[up]How? No, really, how are all the adults wrecks? The only ones you could call "wrecks" are Ozpin, Qrow and Ironwood, but even among them, Qrow was getting better, and Ozpin actually kept going regardless of what he suffered for eons now.

Plus, them being wrecks isn't the issue, the issue is that the adults have experience. Everyone has emotional baggage to deal with. Baggage shouldn't disqualify someone from being followed. Only when said baggage overcomes their reason should it disqualify them, as it did with Ironwood.

Edited by RebelFalcon on Nov 28th 2020 at 5:30:21 AM

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#3290: Nov 28th 2020 at 2:28:50 PM

They have ultimately gone head to head with the most dangerous people in the world and held their own.

While they likely aren't as good as Qrow, Ironwood or Ace Ops (on a strictly man to man basis, because Ace Ops suck as a unit without Clover keeping them together), those aforementioned people are the best of the best of the best, I think it's a fairly safe bet that Team RWBY are solidly above the bog-standard huntsmen, hell they aren't even all that far behind the elites.

The fact is there battle since leaving Beacon have tested them far more than what the average huntsmen would likely face over the course of their career.

Plus in the grand scheme of coping with the situation, all of the "adults" have been fucking up just as badly if not worse than them.

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#3291: Nov 28th 2020 at 2:31:31 PM

Vine and Elm losing was bullshit
Just because you disagree with it doesn't mean that it didn't happen and it certainly shouldn't be discounted due to personal feelings.

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#3292: Nov 28th 2020 at 2:32:43 PM

[up][up]But they haven't held their own. Even without looking at this list, Hazel kicked all their asses at Haven, Qrow is the only one able to hold a candle to Tyrian, Watts screwed them all over with his hacking, and Cinder can fight circles around them. Hell, they can't even actually beat Mercury and Emerald, since it required their fight be won with the magic of "offscreen victory". The only person you can argue they held their own against is Adam, and he wasn't exactly the picture of sanity or stability at the time.

[up]It's not even personal feelings, its the same issue the Battle of Haven had: Elm just stood there doing nothing while Yang and Blake fought Vine, and then Yang used her Semblance despite not being hit once, and despite turning Timber into her rocket launcher, Elm again stood there while Yang went to attack again. It's writing a fight to service the plot rather than to fit the skill of the characters.

Edited by RebelFalcon on Nov 28th 2020 at 5:37:25 AM

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#3293: Nov 28th 2020 at 2:45:00 PM

[up]Ace Ops were pretty clearly shown to function poorly as a unit and get sloppy in general without Clover there to reign them in.

Team RWBY won by superior team and strategy and capitalising on sloppy mistakes their leader usually kept them from making.

And while they were outclassed by the likes of Tyrian and Hazel they were able to get good hits in on Hazel and get the better of him on a few occasions and a "not really trying to hurt her opponent" Ruby fought Emerald on fairly even footing and Adam's lack of sanity didn't do much to impede his fighting ability.

Well apart from Weiss, cause V1-5 Weiss' main contributions to most fights was to be unconscious. Until V6 onwards were she suddenly became untouchable. I mean don't get me wrong RT got rightfully mocked for Weiss' poor performance, but her sudden leap forward in capability was pretty jarring.

Edited by Gaogaigar54 on Nov 28th 2020 at 2:50:21 AM

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#3294: Nov 28th 2020 at 2:51:57 PM

Man, what an episode.

I'm guessing the Noodle Incident involving Joanna is a reference to Robin Hood versus Little John. If memory serves, Little John won't let him cross a bridge and they have a duel which Robin wins by knocking him into the creek. That's how he ended up recruited into the Merry Men.

Qrow has a lot of ugly feelings, and it's sad but not surprisingly at absolutely no one is thinking critically about the MISSING SERIAL KILLER. Robyn definitely has Harriet's number, in terms of her being an aggressive bitch as a way to avoid having to think about the situation. As many other characters have been doing, she's lashing out to avoid dealing with much uglier things. And we once again see the tension in the Ace-Ops, with her going so far as to shoulder-check Marrow on her way out. How long before they explode?

So the Hound can shapeshift, has full human intelligence, and can summon other Grimm to defend it? Yeah, this is one nasty critter on many levels. I predict a full-on Arc Villain for it, likely as one of the final foes for the volume.

Ren is not in his happy place, that's for sure. Someone pointed out with his Mulan inspiration, that he seems to be having a huge crisis involving Imposter Syndrome. I don't think he actually agrees with or approves of Ironwood's plan. But Ironwood at least gave them an authority figure to depend on, and that's something I think Ren desperately craves. He wants to have someone take care of them, tell them what to do, and make the hard decisions for them. As an orphan, he's probably not had that kind of stability for a long time and now he's lashing out because he's absolutely terrified. He wants an adult to handle things.

Jaune is once again the only person thinking clearly, between trying to soothe over their fighting and being like "Fuck this I'm taking a nap". Even as the kid that cheated his way into Beacon, he has the best head on his shoulders in terms of dealing with things.

Interesting that Yang is worrying about what Blake will think of her. (Meanwhile, Blake seems more worried about the sisters fighting because as an only child she has zero experience with it.)

Weiss showing up at home, with a sword and orders. Someone pointed out that Whitley answered pretty quickly, so he may have legit been.......waiting in the main hall for someone to show up. It's easy to forget how young he is, and how basically everything has gotten yanked out from under him in a single night. Abusive Dad is out of the picture for the moment, but Willow is non-functional again and apparently all their staff have left? He's truly alone and lashing out at Weiss is all he has even if he's probably relieved (like Ren) to have someone telling him what to do. Schnee Drama coming up!

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Ozpin tells us not to panic, which means it's time to panic. That entire scene is just.......horrifying on so many levels. Salem manages to switch so seamlessly between warmth and cruelty, it's really quite disturbing to watch. There's an extra level of Horror in that Oscar is a child, with the undercurrent of affection and intimacy there while restrained and countered with the violent moments. Salem switching between talking about her "dear Ozma", while also for the moment acknowledging Oscar as his own person. I feel like that's a definitely Carrot for the stick, in terms of Oscar's own issues.

Of course she's wants the Relic of Choice. Oscar can't tell her that, but now it's torture time to find out the password for the Lamp. (Good thing she didn't realize it's the spirit's name, since Ruby already mentioned it.) Hazel, that is a literal child. It's going to be a nasty time for Oscar this volume. Yikes.

Cinder, girl. We get it you want the Power, but continuing to defy Salem is going to explode in your face. Sneaking out for the party and trying to be back before she notices is.....not going to go as planned. So it's a party of Cinder, Neo, and Emerald headed to where Pietro, Maria, and Penny are going to be huh? I guess we'll find out how Emerald's Semblance interacts with artificial senses.

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#3295: Nov 28th 2020 at 2:53:52 PM

[up][up]The only "good hits" they got were Nora's punting him out the door, Weiss dragging him back in, and Blake dropkicking him... which did nothing. At best you can argue the Lancer stinger temporarily dazed him, but as we see afterwards, he just destroyed it with a fire fist.

Hazel pretty much beat the crap out of everyone, and the only reason they beat him, Emerald, and Mercury was crap writing.

I'd give you the justification of "Clover holds the team together" if it was all of them, but not when it's just Elm and Vine. These two specifically partnered together because they were the ideal partners. It wasn't even because of Clover, so his absence shouldn't have affected them. Quoting Vine's Amity Arena card:

The Ace Ops don't really have a "partner" concept, but operatives Vine and Elm tend to pair up together. This may be due to the amazing synergy between their plant-like Semblances. Vine's ivy like arms, and Elm's root like feet give the duo the flexibility as well as the steadfastness to combat any situation.
Yeah, any situation. Except apparently when facing a blond with PTSD and a Cat Girl, then one suddenly becomes a statue and drops a few brain cells while the other gets blown up.

Elm's performance also makes little sense when it's noted that, outside of Clover, Elm is the best member of the Ace-Ops, and that the only reason Clover is even seen as better is because of his Semblance. So why in gods name did she make so many blunders?
Ace Operative Elm Ederne, is an excellent agent with a peerless track record. She is the pillar of the team and only second in performance to Clover, who has "luck" on his side. Elm is the quintessential, immovable object in the old adage about it and the irresistible force.

Edited by RebelFalcon on Nov 28th 2020 at 5:54:08 AM

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#3296: Nov 28th 2020 at 2:59:07 PM

[up]Sorry but I if I can let my inner versus debater out. Word of god means nothing when discussing a characters fighting abilities, it's on screen feats that count.

Edited by Gaogaigar54 on Nov 28th 2020 at 3:00:13 AM

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#3297: Nov 28th 2020 at 3:00:08 PM

What adults should they have followed for things to have not went wrong?

Ren seems to have been trying to follow James for him being the more 'expirrienced' one back in Volume 7, and he has the biggest claim to 'Reason things went wrong' Status.

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#3298: Nov 28th 2020 at 3:00:35 PM

[up][up]It's not even Word of God. It's the RWBY: Amity Arena game, which is what gives us a lot of details not revealed explicitly in series.

[up]Read Harostar's analysis on Ren.

Edited by RebelFalcon on Nov 28th 2020 at 6:01:14 AM

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#3299: Nov 28th 2020 at 3:00:57 PM

[up]X 4 Can you stop using crap writing as an excuse to downplay the feats of the heroes they’re still accomplishments that the team performed whether you think it was warranted or not.

Edited by Pokesamus on Nov 28th 2020 at 3:01:20 AM

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#3300: Nov 28th 2020 at 3:01:11 PM

I still think the surviving Ace Ops would work better if they were portrayed as the greatest group of ROOKIES Atlas Academy had ever seen, rather than the best hunters in general.

Clover was the only one who felt like a top of the line, god tier huntsman. Since he was capable of holding his own against Qrow and Tyrian at the same time. Something none of the others feel like they could do.

Edited by GNinja on Nov 28th 2020 at 11:03:22 AM

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