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Deadlock Clock: Nov 18th 2018 at 11:59:00 PM
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#1: Oct 6th 2018 at 9:48:22 PM

As NNinja pointed out on the page discussion, why is this trivia? It's no more meta than the other Adaptation Modification tropes. As was also pointed out on the discussion page, the examples should be sorted according to the original adaptation, not the original medium.

Edited by rjd1922 on Oct 6th 2018 at 11:48:26 AM

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#2: Oct 8th 2018 at 6:09:22 AM

If the "context" is the work's context, then I could agree that it's trivia. However, the description clearly says it's something in the work. So I agree with making this a normal trope.

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#4: Oct 9th 2018 at 9:16:09 AM

There's a bit of a problem with all adaptation tropes in that they require knowledge of another work to establish context. That places them firmly outside the realm of things that a person experiencing the work ex nihilo would notice or care about. For example, a person who watches Lost in Space (2018) without having watched the original series or the 1998 film would have no reason to know (or care) that the character Judy got a Race Lift.

I've argued in the past that adaptation tropes should be put in a separate category from objective, in-universe tropes, because the context is entirely external.

Edited by Fighteer on Oct 9th 2018 at 12:20:23 PM

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#5: Oct 9th 2018 at 9:25:49 AM

There's a bit of a problem with all adaptation tropes in that they require knowledge of another work to establish context.
Shout-Out and Cameo is in that same category as well.

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#6: Oct 9th 2018 at 9:57:00 AM

Agreed. However, a shout-out or cameo can have an effect on the work itself and/or can draw from general cultural knowledge that doesn't require specific recollection of particular works. Moreover, they can be presented in a way that screams, "Hey, this is a shout-out," or, "Hey, you should recognize this person," noticeably shoving up against the fourth wall.

There's a fuzzy line here as to whether any particular example is visible enough within the context of the work to count as an in-universe trope, but I wouldn't really mind it all getting bundled off to trivia.

Edited by Fighteer on Oct 9th 2018 at 12:56:36 PM

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#7: Oct 9th 2018 at 10:55:26 AM

they can be presented in a way that [is] noticeably shoving up against the fourth wall.
True for many of the tropes which require knowledge outside of the presentation of the work itself. I agree that this category of pop culture (including previous iterations of a work; reboots, translations, and media adaptations) should be in the general trivia classification.
However, that's a wiki issue. Until that category is changed, I've seen no reason to say this trope specifically is trivia.

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#8: Oct 15th 2018 at 3:28:55 PM

[up] Yeah, bring that up in a bigger thread. For now, adaptation tropes are not trivia.

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#9: Nov 15th 2018 at 10:52:31 PM

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#10: Nov 16th 2018 at 6:43:11 AM

I suppose I should get my two cents in.

Merely requiring outside knowledge does not make a trope into trivia, as can be seen by the other adaptation tropes not being trivia. As the policy currently stands, Adaptational Context Change should not be trivia.

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#11: Nov 16th 2018 at 12:25:41 PM
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#12: Nov 16th 2018 at 3:52:08 PM

~crazysamaritan: What category change is this you are talking about?

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#13: Jan 28th 2019 at 1:10:35 PM

Closing as stale.

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