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RedSavant Since: Jan, 2001
#176: Nov 29th 2018 at 4:17:31 PM

Ah, right, right. I had forgotten about that, yeah.

^I kind of get that, yeah. It did feel a bit less... something or other, somehow, maybe because it was a little more predictable. But it was great all the same.

It's been fun.
KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#177: Nov 29th 2018 at 4:34:17 PM

It was a bit less predictable, yeah, but I love this sort of stuff, so I was all for it.

Great song at the end, too. I think that Episode 3’s weak points were intentional.

Oh God! Natural light!
RedSavant Since: Jan, 2001
#178: Nov 29th 2018 at 4:44:07 PM

I think absolutely. The attention to detail in this show is stunning - people have even pointed out that the brief shot of Reiko's motorcycle key is enough to identify the make and model of her bike.

Also, that this episode appears to be a reference to a tokusatsu show.

It's been fun.
ElfenLiedFan90 Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression) from Jakarta,Indonesia Since: Aug, 2017 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression)
#179: Nov 29th 2018 at 6:53:44 PM

Episode 9:

Have to admit that the new character, Maria, reminds me of Saki but she's a bit annoying at some times. And tbh, I do really like Saki a little bit in here especially on her backstory. Man her death was brutal due to the motor race but it's nice to gave her one even if she isnt developed that much. Also, the song in the end is great though and Kotaro is still as over the top as ever.

"Making screw-ups and mistakes was I ever really good at. Because everything I touch went to hell."
CitizenH Since: Feb, 2014
#180: Nov 29th 2018 at 7:09:15 PM

Anyone notice that Tae tried to lie? She has to both understand she broke a social rule and that there could be negative consequences for it in a theoretical future. From developmental standpoint, that's pretty significant for her.

RedSavant Since: Jan, 2001
#181: Nov 29th 2018 at 9:43:50 PM

Yeah, she's reached the 'do something wrong and then blatantly lie about it' stage toddlers go through.

It's been fun.
Lyendith Since: Mar, 2011
Iaculus Pronounced YAK-you-luss from England Since: May, 2010
Pronounced YAK-you-luss
#183: Nov 30th 2018 at 7:08:19 AM

When Lily asked if she'd eaten her squid in the van.

What's precedent ever done for us?
Lyendith Since: Mar, 2011
#184: Nov 30th 2018 at 8:08:29 AM

Oooh… That's interesting. surprised She might soon utter her first words at this rate…

RedSavant Since: Jan, 2001
#185: Nov 30th 2018 at 6:28:51 PM

She kind of has, technically? She mimicked Saki's grumbling before Saga Rock, at least, which doesn't exactly count, but it's a step.

It's been fun.
Roguemind Since: Jul, 2010
#186: Nov 30th 2018 at 7:52:49 PM

I swear this series just keeps getting better and better.

From the fun that was episode 7... and clearly the turning point of the series.

To 8 that was a tearjerker most of the episode.

And now to 9 which was an exciting entertaining rumble with Saki.

Something tells me that Reiko deep down knows that it's Saki, her expression, her words, and the punch felt like it was something she had been wanting to do for 21 years.

gropcbf from France Since: Sep, 2017
#187: Dec 1st 2018 at 12:23:27 AM

This show lets us guess how much the living ones (Saki's friend and Lily's dad) understand what's going on.

harostar Since: Feb, 2010
#188: Dec 2nd 2018 at 12:34:27 PM

You know, it says something that we've had Lily and Saki recognized by people. But not Ai or Junko, even when Ai was performing at the same venue as her old group where she famously died. A comment on how Idols are quickly the industry churns out idols and then forgets them when the newer thing arrives? Or simply that Iron Frill is probably a completely new lineup, with Ai's group having already "graduated" from being idols?

TheLovecraftian Since: Jul, 2017
#189: Dec 2nd 2018 at 12:50:16 PM

I'm pretty sure they mentioned on the episode that the current Iron Frill is an entirely new lineup, and I don't think they mentioned what happened to the originals. That said, it's weird that no one recognized her either way other than that one guy who the show hasn't mentioned since.

RedSavant Since: Jan, 2001
#190: Dec 2nd 2018 at 4:15:13 PM

It's especially true given that zero effort has been made to change up the girls' personal styles, especially their hair - though I'm willing to call that an acceptable break from reality, I guess. Though it's not like it would be impossible for us to tell who is who even if they changed their hairstyles.

It's been fun.
Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#191: Dec 2nd 2018 at 7:39:56 PM

Lily's dad just assumed that she was an identical stranger st first.

Lyendith Since: Mar, 2011
#192: Dec 4th 2018 at 7:08:32 PM

I mean, obviously "that girl I knew 20 years ago came back as a zombie" isn't normally the first explanation that comes to someone's mind. tongue

Otherwise, Mother's Basement's video about the show makes a pretty good point I hadn't thought about: the fact that the girls express various ideas of "femininity" that challenge the idea of the "pure and perfect idol" − namely Lily being trans, Saki being a Badass Biker delinquent and Yuugiri obviously not being a virgin, as well as Tae's… Tae-ness.

I can't follow him on the idea of ZLS being a gateway series for other idol shows though. This one's interesting because it juggles between the fun poppy aspects and the more cynical aspects of the idol world. Not sure I'd enjoy a pristine show à la Love Live quite as much.

Sterok Since: Apr, 2012
#193: Dec 4th 2018 at 7:43:53 PM

It's definitely a gateway idol show in the sense that non-idol fans can easily be convinced to watch it via its absurd premise. Then some of those people end up liking the more traditional elements and seek out more idol shows, and before they know they've fallen down the rabbit hole with no hope of rescue.

RedSavant Since: Jan, 2001
#194: Dec 4th 2018 at 7:47:35 PM

^^Yeah, I think that's a good reading of it, actually. And the amount of detail that's gone into the production, writing, and all that makes for a good defense against the usual refrain of 'you're reading too much into it, it's just a dumb fun show'. Even things like Sakura wearing her trans-flag shorts when talking to Lily in episode 8, or Reiko's bi flag hair (which I have no trouble seeing as canon) - there's a lot of thought in this show. It's also fun, not just fun.

Edited by RedSavant on Dec 4th 2018 at 10:47:51 AM

It's been fun.
RedRob Since: Feb, 2016 Relationship Status: One Is The Loneliest Number
#195: Dec 4th 2018 at 8:26:16 PM

[up]Actually the trans-flag short thing might just be a coincidence. I just rewatched the show with my anime club, and I'm pretty sure she was wearing them in episode 2.

A rose by any other name would smell as sweet Unless I grew it. In that case, throw it in the trash.
RedSavant Since: Jan, 2001
#196: Dec 4th 2018 at 8:37:16 PM

She is, true. It's also true that the character wearing them isn't the character who is trans... but it still is an interesting bit of character design. I wonder if it's brought up at all in those interviews... but I don't think the character designer was interviewed at any point after the review for episode 1.

It's been fun.
RedRob Since: Feb, 2016 Relationship Status: One Is The Loneliest Number
#197: Dec 4th 2018 at 10:03:03 PM

Honestly, it could be that the designer saw an actual pair of shorts like that, didn't realize the meaning behind, and went "Oh, that's a nice color palette."

A rose by any other name would smell as sweet Unless I grew it. In that case, throw it in the trash.
ElfenLiedFan90 Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression) from Jakarta,Indonesia Since: Aug, 2017 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression)
#198: Dec 4th 2018 at 10:04:36 PM

[up] I'm... Mostly on the same boat actually.

"Making screw-ups and mistakes was I ever really good at. Because everything I touch went to hell."
Iaculus Pronounced YAK-you-luss from England Since: May, 2010
Pronounced YAK-you-luss
#199: Dec 4th 2018 at 11:30:25 PM

I mean, we do also have Lily wearing a suggestively-coloured top this episode (after we found out she was trans), so I'm not ruling out it being a deliberate thing.

What's precedent ever done for us?
Lyendith Since: Mar, 2011
#200: Dec 5th 2018 at 6:10:36 AM

…I did not even know there was such a thing as a "bi flag". The things you learn. evil grin


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