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rachiebird Since: May, 2014
#1: Sep 25th 2018 at 3:02:13 AM

Hopefully this is the correct place to post/correct course of action.

Personality Powers seems to be sort of a mess. I've only gone through the Anime folder and part of the Comic Book folder. The rest of the page doesn't look much better though. Lots of examples arguing with themselves. Lots going off on unrelated tangents. One example even used a quote from a fanfic to illustrate a comic book example.

I removed a lot of examples that were just "This character/story averts this trope," since that's more or less what the Averted page says about the subject.

I made various edits to many examples - rephrasing, removing awkward phrasing, etc. But for the ones I made really large edits to, I'm going to go ahead and list the original examples here, what I changed, and why I did it.

Since I did them all-together, it should be pretty easy to revert if it turns out I've bombed everything?

    Anime 
  • Fuuko Kurasaki lost her legs in an accident, and so her avatar Sky Raker gained rocket boosters that grant her extreme mobility. Addicted to climbing higher and higher, she would attempt to Exploit this mechanic by cutting off her avatar's legs, hoping that immersing herself deeper in her trauma would make her boosters powerful enough for true Flight. It wasn't enough, and the disturbing nature of her actions caused her to lose one of her closest friends in the process. Her self-esteem takes a further blow when she lends her thrusters to Haru, and he manages to use them for Flight just by wanting it enough. However, later in the series it's revealed that she had "underestimated the strength of her own desires", causing her to misunderstand how her avatar works - her thrusters are actually designed for travelling through space, far higher than Silver Crow's wings will ever take him.

#Removed everything after "It wasn't enough"
* Shown very often in Fairy Tail. The most obvious examples are Natsu Dragoneel (a Hot-Blooded fire mage), Laxus Drayer (a Psycho Electro who at one point tries to pull a Face–Heel Turn), and Laxus's grandfather and the leader of the guild, Makarov.
#Removed the spoiler. I'm not sure how electricity relates to treachery.
* Most of the homunculi of Fullmetal Alchemist have powers related to the sin they embody (and by extension which aspect of Father's personality they were created from). Gluttony has a pocket dimension inside him that he can suck things into, Greed has a shell made of black diamond, Lust has fingers that turn into spears which can penetrate anything (giving an otherwise extremely womanly character a twisted layer of androgyny) & Envy can shapeshift. Pride's powers don't really have anything to do with Pride objectively, but they do within the context of the story, as he was created in the image of Father's original form. The other two are actually inversions, as Sloth is not only strong enough to tunnel through solid rock barehanded, but can also move faster than the naked eye can see despite being massively lazy, & Wrath has the ability to predict an opponent's moves & calculate the probability of the success of battle tactics in an instant, though you'd expect somebody named Wrath to eschew tactics in favor of brutal, all-out attacks.
  • In Sloth's case, the speed is so that he can finish his job quickly, while in Wrath, his skill's supposed to show the calm, frightening aspect of war's wrath, who destroys everything methodically.
    • Sloth's power can also be viewed as weaponized laziness. The first time he gets hit with an antitank rifle it tears half his face off. After he regenerates from the hit and complains that pain is too much effort, rounds from the same weapon simply bounce off of him. The result is a rather terrifying example of Power Copying.
    • Sloth's power is very fitting. Sloth is not being unable to do something, sloth is waste of potential. Sloth could be the most powerful of the homunculi, he could be the strongest, he could be the fastest, for all we know he could be the smartest but he's too damn lazy and slothful to use his powers and is thus a waste of potential.
  • Roy Mustang averts this though: he uses fire as a weapon, and with the exception of an Unstoppable Rage exemplifies Guile Hero.
    • Although his ambition and other smaller personality traits may embody the spirit of fire, though on a smaller scale. This lack of fire-like personality can also be explained by the fact that his powers come from study and training rather than being born with it.
  • The 2003 anime version plays things a bit differnetly, with Sloth being able to turn into water. Wrath's powers don't really tie into his theme, but he was certainly an angry little kid.
  • In 'Brotherhood, Roy and his Shadow Archetype, Isaac avert this even more so, with Axe-Crazy Isaac embodying the kind of mad arsonist persona you would expect Roy to have. In FMA, life experience contributes far more to your personality than your powers do (at least when you aren't a homunculus).

#I only left part of the first paragraph, but even that still feels iffy. I removed the arguing about whether or not Wrath and Sloth fit, tried to add the relevant info from that argument into the actual example, removed the parts arguing about whether the character's personalities fit their assigned sins, and removed the parts about Roy averting the trope.
** And the trope is averted with Nuriko, the extremely feminine Wholesome Crossdresser, who gets Super-Strength.
# From Fushigi Yuugi. Removed for not really bringing in anything other than "This trope doesn't happen."
#Removed because the battlefield doesn't seem relevant to this. Added the different forms the weapons can take to the rest of the example.
** The only exceptions to this are people who manifest Hatsu without any training whatsoever, like Neon Nostrade and Alluka Zaoldyke.
#Removed because the example isn't clear about the personality powers these characters do or don't have.
* To a certain extent, the girls of Mai Hime exhibit Personality Powers, not all of which are elemental. Of the main Power Trio, hot-blooded Determinator Mai fights with fire; while her cold, no-nonsense sidekick and rival Natsuki utilizes ice attacks. Mikoto, who is considerably smaller than both girls but deceptively strong, simply slashes through her foes with a sword much larger than she is.
  • This extends a bit to some of the secondary powered characters, as well. Femme Fatale Nao uses a pair of sharp claws, and a giant spider-like summon beast to paralyze and toy with her opponents. Shizuru, who appears kind and gentle at first, but can become very ruthless if you push her the wrong way, wields a naginata with an extendable head and uses a multi-headed snake-like CHILD.
  • By contrast, the quiet and reserved Yukino didn't get off quite as lucky, as her abilities in both the anime and manga relegate her to support roles most of the time. This actually does fit her shy, sweet, non-confrontational personality, though.

#Turned it into a list. Removed Mikoto because being strong isn't a personality. Removed Shizuru because the example boils down to "Ruthless character wields a weapon." Removed the commentary on the usefulness of Yukino's powers. Removed the part of the example that linked to the page it was already on.
** Magellan, the warden of Impel Down, the largest prison in the world, has poison powers. He's a ruthless man who will school any prisoner who pisses him off and those who try to escape. Despite that, he sincerely believes in protecting civilians from criminals.
#From One Piece. Cut. It's unclear what that has to do with poison. Seems, at most, like Bad Powers, Bad People.
* One branch of Ranma ½ Fanon claims that Jusenkyo's curses are embodiments of this trope, reflecting aspects of the cursee's personality (another claims they act to 'balance out' character flaws). The prime example is Genma Saotome, who turns into a panda- he abandoned his still young and sexy wife Nodoko for about a decade to train Ranma, he's a terrible father who never fights and leaves it to Ranma to clean up his messes), and his primary interests are lounging around and eating. Similar characters who are used as "evidence" for this theory are Ryoga ("pigheaded"), Shampoo ("sly as a cat") and Mousse ("birdbrained").
#Cut the stuff that talks about fanon. Cut everything but "he turns into a panda" and "he eats a lot and is lazy" from Genma. I don't think pandas are known for being poor parents. I'm unsure about the bottom part, but decided to tidy it up and leave it.
* Sekirei averts this with an almost complete reshuffling of personalities. Earth types (Musubi, Kuu) are genki ditzes. Water is a Hot-Blooded and stubborn Tsundere. Wind is a Cool Big Sis Hard-Drinking Party Girl. Fire is wielded by a Sugar-and-Ice Personality Aloof Ally. The Tech Wizard is a Covert Pervert trickster. The Electricity twins, however, are still Psycho Electro. And the An Ice Person is still stoic, subdued and focused on her work but not entirely cold and even careless sometimes.
#Removed everything but the Psycho Electro and the An Ice Person. Again with the averting.
** Mitarai/Seaman is "emo", since he has to cut himself to create his monsters and has a Freudian Excuse based in the extreme abuse he suffered at school. Kido can act dark and mysterious, as he proved when he captured Yusuke using his shadows... and poor Yanagisawa has to use his 'Copy' technique to have a personality in the first place.
From Yes! Precure 5. I'm just not sure what this is trying to say.

    Comic Books 
  • In the early days of the Fantastic Four comic book, the fire-throwing Human Torch was a hot-tempered grease monkey, the Invisible Girl was shy and meek, the brilliant scientist Mr. Fantastic had powers based on being flexible and adaptable, and the musclebound, monstrous Thing, while not stupid, maintained a "Brooklyn bruiser" persona and had trouble expressing his feelings. Although this is less blatant in more recent comics, it's still sometimes referred to.
    • In What If? #6, the FF got different powers, which still reflected their personalities. Interestingly, Sue got the Mr Fantastic powers, with her meekness being described as a "pliable" personality. The other three powers were completely different (Reed was a living brain, Johnny's interest in mechanics made him a robot, and Ben's love of flight caused him to grow wings).
      • A later What If issue (v2 #11) explored what might have happened had all 4 gained the SAME power, and suggested that, while the Invisible Girl/Woman would always be happiest with her power, Johnny might actually be happier as Mr. Fantastic (which he used to become a popular entertainer, more akin to the "sillier" Plastic Man and Elongated Man), while Ben would have been the most comfortable as the Human Torch (which helped in his job as a test pilot, allowed him to become a stuntman, and ultimately led him to become a popular solo superhero).
      • The Reed Richards from another reality received the Thing's power and called himself The Brute. While Ben Grimm dated and eventually married Sue, this version of Reed went into seclusion and had a somewhat manic mood. The 616 version of Richards sometimes spoke to him (as he does with most alternate reality versions of himself). The Brute would help him but also warned him not to talk to him for long because seeing a normal-looking version of himself could potentially throw him in a rage.
    • This was likely unintentional on the part of the creators, though. Given how brimming with exposition those early Marvel comics were, it's doubtful this wouldn't have been mentioned somewhere in the scripts (and it wasn't) if it was on purpose.
    • More recent interpretations have emphasized The Invisible Woman's forcefield power as related to her Team Mom or Mama Bear traits. Likewise Mr. Fantastic's malleable body is shown as an extension of his expansive and malleable mind.
    • In the Ultimate Fantastic Four series, it was definitely a case of powers causing personality for Reed as he was revealed to be stretching his brain to make himself smarter. This perhaps helps explain why building a teleporter took him so long while his Time Machine was built in a relatively trivial fashion off-screen.
    • The Fantastic Four are also a classic example of Elemental Powers (Reed:Water, Sue:Air, Johnny:Fire, Ben:Earth) which has been pointed out in a number of comics, and even been plot relevant in a few such as Neil Gaiman's Marvel 1602.

#Removed the 4th and 5th points for arguing. Removed the final point because I don't think elemental powers has anything to do with the situation at hand.
* The Spider-Man comic book had a mind-numbing amount of animal-themed Personality Powers, along with an occasional Meaningful Name or Steven Ulysses Perhero. Otto Octavius has tentacles like an octopus, and he's grasping and manipulative. The Vulture is a mean, bitter man who preys on the weak (and even looks like a vulture). The Rhino is big, tough, and stupid. Eventually, J. Michael Straczynski did a Lampshade Hanging on it, suggesting that these villains are totemic representations, and unconsciously target Spider-Man because his totemic representation is "true" while theirs are false.
  • On the other hand, Spider-Man himself is an aversion, since he's a genuinely good guy, and even maintained his Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man image during the days of the '90s Anti-Hero. Straczynski's totem business is viewed by many fans as Dork Age, rather than something that actually develops the character.
    • Whether or not Spider-Man is an aversion is debatable, not based on his personality but rather the popular perception of spiders as evil. Spider-Man is very much like a spider in that he is misunderstood, sometimes hated or hunted, dangerous when threatened, but ultimately a helpful force in that he acts as a form of pest control.
    • Anansi the spider is a Trickster Archetype known for outwitting enemies who rely on brute force. Sounds a lot like Spidey. This shows that even if the fans thought of it as a Dork Age, Straczynski was actually thinking about what he was doing. Even JMS presented the Totem aspect as supplemental to Spider-Man's scientific origins, rather than as a replacement for them. This developed the character in that it opened the road for future stories that involved both science fiction and fantasy elements.

#Removed the last part of the second bullet for YMMV about something irrelevant. Removed the final bullet for responding to the complaint. Merged the 2nd and 3rd bullets.
* The ultimate example of this is Runaways, where the teen heroes and their villainous parents have an elaborate combination of powers that either fit their personalities, are the opposite — or are both at once. Goth girl Nico is a witch whose spells are powered by blood; her parents go to church every Sunday (but are secretly sorcerers). Dumb jock Chase, ironically, has Mad Scientist parents. The youngest and smallest of the kids has superstrength, while her parents — a doctor and a speech therapist — have mind-control powers (and their costumes suggest torture and sadomasochism). Flighty, cheerful Karolina has powers of sun, light, and flying... but her cheerful flightiness is an act. And so on…
#Removed everything except the goth girl and this Karolina girl who seems to be a pretty good subversion. Everything else felt more like “not an example”, mundane utility, and “being small isn’t a personality”
* The Beast from X-Men is a classic aversion of this trope. His powers make him appear as an ape and give him super strength and agility, but he is actually one of the most intelligent and erudite members of the team.
  • For the first 2 issues of the X-Men comic line, the Beast played this trope straight. He was bombastic, brutish, and blunt-brained, just as you'd expect a musclebound lunk to be. The writers quickly discovered the comic potential in a "beastly brute" who recited eloquent Shakespeare, however, and by issue 3 the Beast's well-known Harvard-educated persona was in place.
  • Nightcrawler is a deliberate aversion on two fronts, both hinging on the fact that he has looked like a blue demon since the day he was born:
  • A good description of Kitty Pryde from the Fan Fic Bloodlines: Soul Survivor, where Peter Rasputin reflects on the effect Kitty has on him:
    Maybe your power influenced your personality. No matter how many walls he put up around himself, Kitty walked right through them.

#Removed the first point for The Beast, because the second already says everything that needs to be said. R Emoved the YMMV complaining about the Dork Age. Removed the random fanfic link.

Edited by rachiebird on Sep 25th 2018 at 3:08:41 AM

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