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lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#451: Jul 14th 2021 at 4:29:53 PM

[up] [reminded of the time someone found a DK 64 collectible 17 years after the fact]

EDIT: Pagetopper. Uhhh...Maybe someone will find a Space Jam collectible years later! XD

Edited by lalalei2001 on Jul 14th 2021 at 7:30:18 AM

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#452: Jul 14th 2021 at 6:05:07 PM

So does this say more about the quality of the sequel, or the diminished cultural relevance of the Looney Toons failing to secure an audience?

Edited by VeryMelon on Jul 14th 2021 at 9:10:52 AM

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#454: Jul 14th 2021 at 6:40:06 PM

However, what critics are good for is telling you why something is good or not good.

Yeah, exactly; the Roger Ebert Caustic Critic trope is overexaggerated IRL. Most critics nowadays are fairly normal people with a fairly significant background in media and writing, not teenagers who churn out garbage for Buzzfeed or out-of-touch, retiree old geezers who haven't seen a cartoon in 20 years. A good critic should be able to explain a work's strength and failings without just laying it on thick. I'm reminded of the hollowness I felt after Raya and the Last Dragon that I wasn't able to articulate, but I read a very good review that made it click. (Also why hiring diverse critics is important, as the critic, like me, was Southeast Asian.)

Back to the topic at hand: what turned me off from the trailers wasn't the Looney Tunes, because I do love them, but the whole hollow, Ready Player One "let's just stuff it full of IP we own :-)" of it all. So maybe that says more about WB than it does about the Looney Tunes.

Diana1969 Since: Apr, 2021 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#455: Jul 14th 2021 at 7:14:45 PM

Yeah, exactly; the Roger Ebert Caustic Critic trope is overexaggerated IRL.

It's so weird that Ebert would be hit with that trope when he was arguably pretty "soft" compared to his contemporaries. Reading over his review of the original Space Jam, I can actually see why he rated it positively. It sets out to be exactly what it wanted (Michael Jordan meets Looney Tunes) and does it successfully.

EmeraldSource Since: Jan, 2021
#456: Jul 14th 2021 at 7:14:52 PM

The main criticisms with the original Space Jam was the overcommercialization of Jordan as an Athlete-God and the deference the Looney Tunes give to him to save them. Neither of which would be things Ebert would have cared much about. He is one of those seminal figures that the modern film criticism owes a lot to, he had the clout to be elitist but would freely admit to liking stupid comedies, his review of The Mummy (1999) is emblematic of that.

With the original Space Jam, it isn't nearly as clever and innovative as Who Framed Roger Rabbit but does have its funny and subversive moments. The catcher telling Jordan what every pitch was going to be because he is star struck is a funny scene poking at the premise of the movie.

Edited by EmeraldSource on Jul 14th 2021 at 7:15:09 AM

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#457: Jul 14th 2021 at 7:24:39 PM

These meh-bad reviews are exactly what I expected. Making a sequel to a movie that is so dated it's impossible to improve on it was always going to split people.

What's sad about this is that the Looney Tunes could be put back on the shelf for another 20 years should it not do well.

Edited by Mario1995 on Jul 14th 2021 at 10:24:47 AM

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Diana1969 Since: Apr, 2021 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#458: Jul 14th 2021 at 7:45:03 PM

What's sad about this is that the Looney Tunes could be put back on the shelf for another 20 years should it not do well.

This sounds like hyperbole not rooted in anything concrete.

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#459: Jul 14th 2021 at 7:48:56 PM

Didn't they just get a new show?

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Primis Since: Nov, 2010
#460: Jul 14th 2021 at 8:25:14 PM

People always act like the Looney Tunes are on the brink of fading into obscurity, but they pretty much always have something in the works.

Meanwhile, when was the last time Mickey Mouse was actually in anything besides Kingdom Hearts? 2013?

Edited by Primis on Jul 14th 2021 at 10:45:02 AM

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#461: Jul 14th 2021 at 8:29:37 PM

He had that series of shorts recently. Then there is the Roadster show for whatever that's worth.

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Diana1969 Since: Apr, 2021 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#462: Jul 14th 2021 at 8:31:35 PM

Meanwhile, when was the last time Mickey Mouse was actually in anything besides Kingdom Hearts? 2013?

People love the new Mickey Mouse shorts that have been airing for a while.

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#463: Jul 14th 2021 at 8:35:54 PM

[up][up] The new Mickey Mouse shorts which recently got retooled under "The Wonderful World of Mickey Mouse" on Disney+. There's another Mickey Mouse show coming to Disney Jr this Summer.

Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#464: Jul 14th 2021 at 9:22:48 PM

I mean, it was like 16 years between this and Back in Action. If this flops, I do not see us getting any Looney Tunes content soon.

Diana1969 Since: Apr, 2021 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#465: Jul 14th 2021 at 9:27:54 PM

We're literally getting TV shows. I don't see how this flopping would supposedly put them on ice.

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#466: Jul 14th 2021 at 11:49:23 PM

I mean, it was like 16 years between this and Back in Action.

And in-between that, we had Loonatics Unleashed, Duck Dodgers, the Looney Tunes Show, New Looney Tunes, Wabbit, a host of direct-to-video movies and a bunch of other content I'm probably forgetting.

I don't think we've gone a single decade without some Looney Tunes content and I doubt this movie's reception, good or bad, will affect that.

Edited by windleopard on Jul 15th 2021 at 12:18:34 PM

EmeraldSource Since: Jan, 2021
#467: Jul 15th 2021 at 12:06:44 AM

It's impossible for a franchise to maintain the same level of notoriety, acclaim and popularity with no dips or downfalls. Looney Tunes has a new big budget movie, that's a win no matter what if you love these characters.

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WackyPancake from My computer. Since: May, 2011
#468: Jul 15th 2021 at 2:25:58 AM

The original Space Jam also had "meh-bad" professional reviews. A 44% on Rotten Tomatoes, I believe. I expected this would be the same.

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#469: Jul 15th 2021 at 5:33:32 AM

Yeah, I'm not exactly going into this expecting an Oscar-caliber film. Hell, I hate most "Oscar-caliber" films, anyway.

Edited by lbssb on Jul 15th 2021 at 5:49:23 AM

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Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
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#470: Jul 15th 2021 at 10:11:33 AM

I'm glad Ebert was positive about Space Jam, but he's not always been so fair to cartoons. The Pokemon Movie comes to mind, where I felt he didn't even really try to understand it.

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#471: Jul 15th 2021 at 10:33:57 AM

Critics are human, in essence. Calling them useless snobs is just being anti-intellectual to a tee and not understanding the concept of art criticism, but at the same time they have their biases like everyone else and their word is not gospel.

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#472: Jul 15th 2021 at 10:52:13 AM

How the heck are people already seeing the new Space Jam movie? I know it got an early release in... Australia, I think? But isn't the film not supposed to be released until the 16th?

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Akirakan Since: Feb, 2015 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#473: Jul 15th 2021 at 11:10:29 AM

It's screened early for critics.

Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
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#474: Jul 15th 2021 at 12:19:01 PM

I think he definitely was being a bit of a snob with the Pokemon movie.

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