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Irene Night Terrier from Friend Code: 1203-9265-8784 and 4571-1389-1915 Relationship Status: It's complicated
Night Terrier
Jan 11th 2020 at 2:33:12 PM

Didn't Alucard also comes from the books? Relevant question, cause he was fine with him being playable too. Belmonts just made for better choices in his opinion.

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RAlexa21th Cuteness lover from California Relationship Status: I <3 love!
Cuteness lover
Jan 11th 2020 at 2:55:49 PM

Alucard is just an alias of Dracula in most adaptations.

A lesson without pain is meaningless.
Irene Night Terrier from Friend Code: 1203-9265-8784 and 4571-1389-1915 Relationship Status: It's complicated
Night Terrier
Jan 11th 2020 at 3:28:07 PM

Sounds to me like Sakurai didn't really care all that much about the origins then.

That said, there's still a core difference of how Castlevanina is not simply an adaption of Dracula, but loosely using it. Sure, it does make some books canon, but still.

Witcher is a clear adaption of the books(it still has its differences), which is significantly different. Though as I said, if principle factors don't apply here, then licensing does. And it's not worth extra licensing. If he's going to license someone, they'll be a major cultural icon and be worth it in the long run. Witcher isn't nearly in that area, but yeah.

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Jan 12th 2020 at 12:10:29 AM

Sounds to me like Sakurai didn't really care all that much about the origins then.

That's because Dracula isn't just public domain, but rather exceptionally public domain - which is important for Pop-Cultural Osmosis reasons rather than legal ones.

Dracula is so deep inside the public domain that he's effectively one with the public consciousness. He's not really a character any more, as much as an idea - he himself is basically a trope to most audiences, and less a character unless you're specifically talking about the book. He's elevated that far above his roots.

This means he's different from more modern characters, who even if they're more well known for games than books or what have you still maintain that singular identity. With Dracula, he's such a loose concept nowadays that anyone could name a vampire character Dracula and effectively have them recognized as their own unique character - despite literally being named after a preexisting one - because the reality of Dracula as a character is removed from the concept of Dracula as an idea.

And that's not really a perception that occurs for characters less than at least a few generations old.

That's what happened with Castlevania. It's also the case for the billion and one characters based on Son Wukong (heck, MVC had a Son Wukong character and a King Arthur character, though not at the same time). Or, to give another Smash example: Palutena. Athena obviously isn't a video game character, but Palutena isn't really Athena as much as a video game character based on the idea of Athena.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Jan 12th 2020 at 12:12:09 PM

"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.
RAlexa21th Cuteness lover from California Relationship Status: I <3 love!
Cuteness lover
Jan 12th 2020 at 10:16:57 AM

Athena is definitely a video game character.

Edited by RAlexa21th on Jan 12th 2020 at 10:17:39 AM

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32_Footsteps Think of the mooks! from Just north of Arkham Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Think of the mooks!
Jan 13th 2020 at 9:09:10 AM

Alucard as the son of Dracula was created for Castlevania. It has been used often as a Backwards Name Lazy Alias for Dracula himself in various adaptations, and there are clear inspirations for Adrian Fahrenheit Tepes (the video game Alucard's real name) in several other adaptations and vampire stories, he's definitely original to video games.

Geralt of Rivia may be most known from his video game adaptation, yes (though Netflix is doing their best to change that), but that's a case of Adaptation First, and I think that would DQ him as playable. Not sure if they'd use him as a background element like they do with Dracula, though. Also not sure how they would, honestly.

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Ookamikun Wolves, wolves, wolves! from the lupine den
Wolves, wolves, wolves!
Jan 13th 2020 at 9:29:48 AM

Assuming Geralt gets in, it's probably his Witcher III look anyway.

Lone wolf? Hah! "Lone" wolves die out of hunger and loneliness. The wolf needs the pack, and the pack needs the wolf.
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Professional Forum Ninja
Jan 14th 2020 at 6:03:14 AM So I'll make a resolution, that I'll never make another one, just enjoy this ride on my trip around the sun, until its done.
ShinyCottonCandy Cheatza Cheatza from Free Country, USA Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Cheatza Cheatza
Jan 14th 2020 at 6:09:03 AM

Whoever it ends up being, Iím bracing myself for being glad they arenít the last one.

[down]If true, all the more reason for my course of action.

Edited by ShinyCottonCandy on Jan 14th 2020 at 9:13:19 AM

I need to think of a better signature.
TargetmasterJoe Much more than meets the eye! from The City, USA Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
Much more than meets the eye!
Jan 14th 2020 at 6:09:40 AM

Didn't Matt Walker, producer of Devil May Cry, say to watch out for January 16th?

HMM INTENSIFIES

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Jan 14th 2020 at 9:10:22 AM

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fasoman1996 Ultimate Memer from Argentina (A.K.A. Naziland) Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
Ultimate Memer
Jan 14th 2020 at 6:10:56 AM

[up] Wasn't it going to be Vergil DLC?

Eh, i wouldnt mind Dante.

YEAH!
Jan 14th 2020 at 6:19:08 AM

Actually, it was about DMC3 on the Switch getting new features or something.

Edited by MEKristian on Jan 14th 2020 at 9:19:24 AM

TargetmasterJoe Much more than meets the eye! from The City, USA Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
Much more than meets the eye!
Jan 14th 2020 at 6:26:57 AM

[up] Maybe so, but a producer on DMC telling us to watch out for January 16th and then later on we're getting a 35 minute Smash Direct on that exact same date?

The timing's too perfect.

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32_Footsteps Think of the mooks! from Just north of Arkham Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Think of the mooks!
Jan 14th 2020 at 6:31:16 AM

Dante (with Vergil as an alt) wouldn't have been my first pick for a DLC character prediction, but I could see it. I can practically imagine a trailer with him and Bayonetta going at it already.

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Jan 14th 2020 at 6:33:09 AM

Just don't get your hopes too high only to have them crushed, yeah?

Weirdguy149 Your worst nightmare from The back of your mind Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Your worst nightmare
Jan 14th 2020 at 6:37:26 AM

6 AM on what time zone? West Coast?

Itís me. Huh huh huh huh...
TargetmasterJoe Much more than meets the eye! from The City, USA Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
Much more than meets the eye!
Jan 14th 2020 at 6:39:40 AM

[up] Pacific Time, which translates as 9am Eastern Time.

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Jan 14th 2020 at 9:39:49 AM

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32_Footsteps Think of the mooks! from Just north of Arkham Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Think of the mooks!
Jan 14th 2020 at 6:46:39 AM

My only hope is that the fifth character will be fun to play. Given how smooth playing as Terry is (and I haven't put serious time in SNK fighters in decades), I feel like I'm going to be satisfied regardless.

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Zeromaeus Mighty No. 51345 from Neo Arcadia
Mighty No. 51345
Jan 14th 2020 at 6:49:21 AM

If it is Dante, Nevan had better be his down B and "flock off" needs to be a taunt

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32_Footsteps Think of the mooks! from Just north of Arkham Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Think of the mooks!
Jan 14th 2020 at 7:06:15 AM

If it's Dante, there needs to be a pizza eating taunt.

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JRads47 My sense of humor has deteriorated from Free Country, not Rent-Free Country
My sense of humor has deteriorated
Jan 14th 2020 at 7:14:48 AM

Realistically, it's probably just news about the Switch port of DMC 3.

But fuck that, give me Wacky Woohoo Pizza Man (or his brother being playable in DMC 5)

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TPPR10 Questioning about Heaven from Suomus Relationship Status: Squeeeeeeeeeeeee!
Questioning about Heaven
Jan 14th 2020 at 7:29:31 AM

Pls no Dante. Or at the very least pls not DMC 3 Dante.

Kiefen MINE! from Germany Relationship Status: It's not my fault I'm not popular!
MINE!
Jan 14th 2020 at 7:38:55 AM

inb4 people moaning about "muh anime swordsmen"

LordVatek Not really a lord of anything
Not really a lord of anything
Jan 14th 2020 at 7:40:35 AM

If that DMC 3 announcement had anything to do with Smash (and it doesn't), Capcom would almost certainly not have been allowed to announce it a week ahead of time.

Edited by LordVatek on Jan 14th 2020 at 10:40:49 AM

This song needs more love.
Jan 14th 2020 at 7:41:36 AM

If it's Dante, can it be DMC 1 Dante? The one that doesn't give you a splitting headache.


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