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I'd also argue that Erdrick seems a bit dubious because of the timing. If there was ever a golden opportunity for them to unveil that he's being made playable, even in a "here's a quick picture of him" way like Mewtwo was, now when they were trying to push two different Dragon Quest titles on Switch was probably it. The fact that they let that pass by indicates that he's either currently not being worked on much (which would contradict the "brave" speculation which indicated they'd at least reached the point of testing stuff and having values assigned to him in the game's data), or he's not part of the pass like some folks are assuming.
I don't agree with that if only because Smash DLC will sell regardless, and they could theoretically want to space out announcements.
I'm skeptical of Erdrick but as far as new Square reps go I think it's him, Geno, or no one unless there's a game they want to promote that I forgot about.
IIRC, that was pure conjecture. It came from the fact that Duck Hunt triggers this one bug in the newest build of Ultimate.
I think Piranha Plant and Mii Swordsman do the same thing.
Or they just don't want to talk about the next DLC character yet. DQXI isn't coming out until Fall, after all.
Sora has a better chance than Geno imo.
Edited by LordVatek on Feb 15th 2019 at 3:36:10 PM
I remember reading there was a belief that Piranha Plant was based off Bowser Jr. while Mii Swordfighter is supposedly the base for Joker. I thought those had hard evidence rather than just assumptions.
As for Sora, well, I do think he's a bridge too far. It's not even Square's decision to include him since he's a Disney character.
Edited by RodimusMinor on Feb 15th 2019 at 3:37:31 PM
I think those came from the same bug assumption. It doesn't even make sense for Joker to use Mii Swordfighter as a base.
And I agree about Sora. I just think Geno has absolutely no chance.
If Sakurai has absolutely no input and Nintendo doesn't tell him to include Dragon Quest (on top of the possibility that Sakurai himself likes Dragon Quest) then yeah there's no chance for Geno. But if DQ is off limits for some reason and Square is getting a new rep per Imran Khan then I think it's him because Sakurai himself wanted to include Geno since Brawl.
Also I'm pretty sure we're getting an Astral Chain character as DLC.
Edited by RodimusMinor on Feb 15th 2019 at 3:46:09 PM
I still doubt its going to be Eridick or even a dragon quest rep. Smash Ultimate picks have mostly been characters known internationally as smash sells the most overseas. Even with how popular DQ is in Japan, the west (where smash is even more popular) barely cares for DQ, let alone the protagonist of a game not even released over here until over a decade ago on the DS. Joker although being Niche is well known in the west as well as in Japan, so it makes sense for him being a choice (regardless of whether or not Persona 5 IS coming to the switch or not). If anything, they would pick Slime because its more recognizable + mascot of the series.
Also, I don't think Sora is as hard of a rep to pick as people think. Disney has shown they're willing to work with cameo appearances (Such as Ralph in Sega All stars racing transformed), plus Disney and Nintendo seem to be slowly working together more when it comes to video games. Of course I still have a lot of doubt on Sora's inclusion, but its not impossible.
Of course we could get some SE rep we keep overlooking about this, like a Bravely Rep or no new square rep at all . Tbh as difficult as square is I doubt Nintendo really wants to work with them on DLC.
Nintendo also has the exclusive rights for the new Marvel Ultimate Alliance.
I just feel like there's too many wallets who need to be filled for Sora to be a viable choice for DLC, but then again he is popular enough that some fans may straight up just buy Smash for him.
How long does it make to take a single character? I mean, I never thought it was easy, but I had no idea it took seemingly months to do. I'm actually kind of impressed in this light.
Apparently about six months.
its less one character takes months to do, more that a lot of the production team has probably moved onto their next project, with only a small handfull left for the DLC stuff.
It must be fun being Xander Mobus and trying to figure out which of the 200 names he had to record as the announcer are actual fighters.
If he can even recall.
Well we just have to see. Seeing as how there's no need for them to move on to another smash game like they did with Smash 4 > Ultimate, they no doubt won't take as long as smash 4 to make a character. Though to save time and effort they most likely decided to stop working on little quirks like Palutena's guidance and stuff like that, which is understandable.
I doubt that the 5 characters we're getting will be the only DLC we get for this game, considering how much of a system seller this game is, but at the same time I can't see them adding any more characters after this pack, though 2-3 more characters on their own wouldn't be surprising in the slightest.
Placeholders for Bayonetta's Smash 4 files started popping up in an April 2015 update, about 10 months before she released (or roughly 8 before her reveal trailer). It's not 100% clear that Bayonetta, specifically, was already chosen at that point, but given that ZSS was used as the basis for that character, it isn't unlikely.
Either way, a character intended to release in February 2016 had been in a very early stage of development at least ten months prior. I don't know if that's the standard for Smash characters, but it sounds pretty reasonable.
Did they ever differentiate between character creation during base game vs DLC? They did say that it takes a long time to create a character, but could that length be due to how they are making that character alongside the stages, music, game design, veterans, etc, and perhaps DLC characters need less time?
Its not the best comparison using Smash 4 DLC (which is our only reference). That DLC was being made alongside Ultimate, so it was essentially making DLC in a base game timeline.
Smash 4 DLC wasn't developed alongside Ultimate. Project plans for Ultimate were first discussed in December 2015 and were completed after Corrin and Bayonetta were released. Any tangible development for Ultimate would have started after that.
I don't know the specifics of game development, but when they say that the DLC team is smaller than the base game development team, I'm sure that's proportional to the workload. They probably have subteams assigned to modeling characters, making animations, creating visual effects, modeling the stages, etc. When it's time for DLC, they shed people assigned to things that don't need further development and retain just enough people to create characters and stages at a reasonable pace.
Has it been confirmed which boss Joker fights in his Classic Mode?
If not, I think he'll probably just fight Master Hand like most of them, but it would make some sense if he fought Ganon, since in Persona 5, the bosses are regular people who go One-Winged Angel for the boss fight.
Edited by Smasher on Feb 16th 2019 at 12:07:22 PM
If I had to guess, either Ganon or Marx. No real reason behind these guesses.
I'm not exactly familiar with SMT but Marx wouldn't exactly be strange in that setting. Or any of Kirby's final bosses really
I think Giga Bowser would also work because he's basically Bowser's Shadow, and there really needs to be more Giga Bowser boss fights than just Mario and Falcon.
I mean they could add a new boss all together, but the likely chance is they don't.
It'll probably be Marx though or maybe they bring back Master Core just for Joker's boss fight, and you get two stocks for the fight and you get Inkling as your partner.
Edited by ReynTime250 on Feb 16th 2019 at 12:24:21 PM
Nintendo was at the NBA All-Star Event tonight and had Smash open to the players.
Because I expect none of you to follow basketball, there's a basketball team known as the Clippers, who previously went by the "Braves".
Brave confirmed to be 🅱️asketball.
Apparently the 5ch leak came from reddit?
The guys who posted it onto 5chan said they found it posted by some westerner on reddit. People looked into it and found no evidence of the so called original reddit post.
Seeing that most leaks and betas in recent times (not just Smash ones mind you) have been done by western fans it makes sense that if it was fake they would add that to their "leak" in order to make it more believable.
I just don't get why people continue to use the term 'leak' even when what's being discussed turns out to be false. 'Leak' implies that real information was accidentally released; anything else are rumours if nothing is proven, and fabrications if proven to be false. For example, the Bloody Tears/Monster Dance music listing was a leak, while the Grinch poster was not.
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