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Kayeka from Amsterdam Since: Dec, 2009
#51: Aug 31st 2018 at 5:55:46 AM

[up][up]Do you? Diversifying is well and good, but it is not the logical path for expansion in this case. Crunchyroll is known for doing only one thing that very few others do despite the demand, and is not particularly good at it. It would make more sense to attract more subs by licensing more shows, increasing the quality of the subs, and not using gaddamn Flash for their player. The key to luring people away from piracy is availability and convenience, and there's plenty of improvements to be made in both areas.

The fact of the matter is that the audience they've built is with them for "cartoons from Japan", and High Guardian Spice does not cater to those niche tastes. Yes, it is spectacularly silly to be hung up on the "from Japan" bit", because good animation is good animation. However, every season there are a bunch of really cool shows that Crunchyroll fails to license, and if they did manage it, I guestimate a 50% chance it isn't available in Europe (Monogatari, why!?). So when they spend considerable funds on what looks to be a passion project on the side, I can't help but feel a little disappointed.

If Crunchyroll really believes that original content is the future of their business, then perhaps it would have been better to launch a new platform and build a new audience, if only to show they are serious about this.

Edited by Kayeka on Aug 31st 2018 at 2:59:00 PM

Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#52: Aug 31st 2018 at 6:53:33 AM

It’s clear Crunchyroll had ideas for expansion when they launched VRV, which is less one niche and more 150 of them under one umbrella. But at least that is primarily focused on the channels, rather than mixing the contents. It’d be like having a random drama show up on the WWE Network. That’s not why people pay for it.

Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#53: Aug 31st 2018 at 7:02:28 AM

My response is that people are paying subscription money to watch anime quickly and without ads, and they are getting that. What Crunchyroll does with that money afterwards is none of their business unless they are an investor. It's basically just a bunch of entitlement imo.

Also, look at all this anime that exist because of Crunchyroll's investments. To throw a fit because one (1) isn't to your tastes is an attitude I have no patience for.

It’d be like having a random drama show up on the WWE Network. That’s not why people pay for it.

Crunchyroll has a live action section too you know.

kyun Since: Dec, 2010
#54: Aug 31st 2018 at 7:38:39 AM

How many times do I have to tell each and everyone on the internet: Crunchyroll is not only about anime! The more I keep seeing this posted as an argument, the more angry I get. Crunchyroll runs live-action shows on their site too, mainly K-dramas and short-form talk shows. They have the occasional movie! They even run an entire convention! This move was foreshadowed way before now. You don't open a pizza place and JUST sell pizza!

Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#56: Aug 31st 2018 at 9:06:39 AM

Yeah, we’ll have a lot more to discuss tomorrow, so let’s all take a deep breath, and we’ll see what happens next.

xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#57: Aug 31st 2018 at 10:05:27 AM

The complaint I've seen the most of recently is that Crunchyroll did this after they said at one point that they'd use their money to help fund and support the anime industry. Which does have some problems, and could use the support to be fair. And TBH I've never heard of them funding / greenlighting any actual anime series, while I've heard about Netflix funding several. Though I could just not know about it.

Edited by xanderiskander on Aug 31st 2018 at 1:11:06 PM

Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#58: Aug 31st 2018 at 10:46:43 AM

[up]Netflix has been directly funding numerous productions (both actual anime and in the case of Castlevania, a product that looks a lot like it) after licensing the rights to some worked out well for them.

Crunchyroll’s parent company is doing something actually a bit more ambitious in founding their own studio. From what I understand, they’re doing this because production at currently existing studios is actually at capacity so there’s literally no scheduling space at the current studios. So any attempt to make animated originals means they have to start a studio from scratch. FWIW, prior to this Crunchyroll was on a few production committees.

Edited by Beatman1 on Aug 31st 2018 at 1:49:13 PM

Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#59: Aug 31st 2018 at 11:05:54 AM

Anime co-produced by Crunchyroll

I didn't realize A Place Further Than The Universe was a Crunchyroll co-production. They get a lot of points from me for helping that to happen.

Edited by Moth13 on Aug 31st 2018 at 2:05:28 PM

kyun Since: Dec, 2010
#60: Aug 31st 2018 at 1:26:57 PM

This is one reason why the people complaining don't do research. They would know that Crunchyroll co-produced a lot of anime they love already, and this is what's getting them upset?

Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#61: Aug 31st 2018 at 1:46:56 PM

[up]Yes. Because no one knew that. They had to look it up.

It’s PR, and right now Crunchyroll is losing the PR war on this. It’s sort of how people view any sort of fee, they pay them, but if they don’t see what the money goes towards they assume the worst. The productions that were co-funded weren’t being trumpeted, they didn’t throw the Crunchyroll original branding on anything before this when Netflix does it for any anime they have exclusive rights to (most notably the FU Ni distributed The Seven Deadly Sins). All they see is a list of grievances and this expensive investment and it was their critics controlling the narrative.

Edited by Beatman1 on Aug 31st 2018 at 4:53:22 AM

kyun Since: Dec, 2010
#62: Aug 31st 2018 at 2:04:10 PM

So does it really require a lot of time and effort to do research on what company owns which show?

Just got an email from them. They actually own a lot of games too. The RPG for Is It Wrong To Pick Up Girls In A Dungeon is rolling out with a new feature that unlocks Crunchyroll's own mascot that you can play as alongside canon characters from the show. Five years ago, a North American anime company inserting a character they own into a foreign-owned Japanese RPG was practically unheard of, aside from fanfiction. The point is, Crunchyroll is gaining a ton of power over stuff anime fans think are solely from Japan and only Japan, and they're being totally stealthy about it.

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#63: Aug 31st 2018 at 5:33:59 PM

You don't open a pizza place and JUST sell pizza!

That's always bugged me. When I was a kid, you wanted pizza? You went to the pizza shop. Having options is nice but at what point did someone sit down and say, "I wish my local pizza shop sold frosted scones and pumpkin pie?" That just confuses the crap out of me. Then they get annoyed and spread the word that the pizza shop doesn't sell ice cream. So the business loses money because no one thought ice cream storage was important when they put a pizza shop there.

So here I am, an adult, and if I work for my local pizzeria I better be damned good at making pizza and making calzones/cheesesteaks/f-cking banana splits because some crazy old fart thought pizza places should have ice cream options.

That's freaking dumb and I hate that consumerist culture has led to that.

Edited by Soble on Aug 31st 2018 at 5:36:46 AM

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Karxrida The Unknown from Eureka, the Forbidden Land Since: May, 2012 Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
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#64: Aug 31st 2018 at 9:22:48 PM

To further this analogy, ice cream doesn't go well with pizza in the first place. You want to wash it down with soda.

Basically Crunchy Roll should start selling Dr. Pepper to go with its pizza. (i.e. online manga or something if it doesn't already have that.)

If a tree falls in the forest and nobody remembers it, who else will you have ice cream with?
dragonfire5000 from Where gods fear to tread Since: Jan, 2001
#65: Aug 31st 2018 at 9:32:30 PM

[up]I'm reminded of a pizza place that offered free soda or ice cream if you bought a pizza above a certain price (or at a certain size, I forget which). My family always went for the free ice cream since we thought getting free ice cream was better than getting free soda.

BigK1337 Comedic Super Troper from Detroit Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
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#66: Sep 1st 2018 at 12:35:34 AM

And to completely fuck with this analogy, my local pizza place Bob’s Pizza (yes that’s an actual pizza place in Detroit that I frequent to) has a deal where I can have a large pizza and a slab of BBQ ribs. I don’t know why an pizza restaurant would have something that is normally reserved for bbq restaurants like Famous Dave, and the same could be said to why it also sells cooked seafood like shrimp; but in the who gives a fuck, you get to have a good diverse (heh, see what I did there) dinner to eat that is normally mutually exclusive from one another.

Soo, yeah, this show is basically ribs. We don’t have to eat (watch) it but its kind of a good optional side dish (show) to come with the package.

. . . Fuck now I want me some Bob’s Pizza for lunch tommorrow. I’ll most likely get myself a small Meat Lovers, and maybe a side dish of steak fries. Yes I buy fries with my pizza! I’m half Big Smoke, I eat a lot!

Edited by BigK1337 on Sep 1st 2018 at 3:40:26 PM

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kyun Since: Dec, 2010
#67: Sep 1st 2018 at 6:01:03 AM

Well guys.

Crunchyroll's site was hacked. Also, on the weekend of CRX.

Coincidence?

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kyun Since: Dec, 2010
#69: Sep 1st 2018 at 6:05:17 AM

Whether it is or not, change your password.

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Kayeka from Amsterdam Since: Dec, 2009
#71: Sep 1st 2018 at 7:29:12 AM

Thanks for the heads up.

verifiaman Since: Sep, 2015
#72: Sep 1st 2018 at 11:37:54 AM

Ok, I saw the video and that's barely a drop in the bucket for viewership. last i checked it was...180,000 I think? Why is there so much smugness in that trailer? Thank god steven universe didnt pull that type of crap. the designs are pretty nice and it is a godsend to see other skintones aside from white and snow-white in female characters (I watch more anime than western animation). Even if you ignore the harrassment, and by god I've seen worse from tumblr when it comes to their views on characters they think should be in relationships, this was a terrible, almost egotistical first impression, and they did the smart thing by backing off all the promo material until the heat dies down

kyun Since: Dec, 2010
#73: Sep 1st 2018 at 3:48:04 PM

It's the weekend. Did the panel happen yet?

verifiaman Since: Sep, 2015
#74: Sep 1st 2018 at 4:15:58 PM

Dude, they cancelled that.

TargetmasterJoe Since: May, 2013
#75: Sep 1st 2018 at 4:25:56 PM

Uh-oh, really? Did they say why?

Because I was looking forward to more details...

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Sep 1st 2018 at 7:26:19 AM


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