Thinking about this. I'm wondering about how some Left wing groups and individuals have rejected the concepts of Social Justice and even feminism by calling them "corrupted".
The classic "I love the real feminists of the past, but the ones of today are practically nuns". "Our left had become identitarian rather than revolutionary".
They aren't very common and the right wing is more dangerous in most parts of the world, but is a sight that I see...a lot in my social circles.
Like. A gay left wing making a video alongside with a alt righter in all but exact name.
Edited by KazuyaProta on Oct 5th 2018 at 5:45:58 AM
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I'd say they aren't actually left wing.
Because left wing vs. right wing isn't 'socialist vs. capitalist' or something like that, it's 'progressive vs. conservative' or, in more lengthy terms, 'people who want to continue to distribute power more equally than it is now vs. people who are fine with the power dynamics as they are right now and want to maintain that status quo'
And if you live in a country where (people who call themselves) socialists (even though by strict definition, they really aren't) have been in power for a long time, then all your conservatives will be (people who call themselves) socialists, especially people who are of a class who didn't used to have power, but have power now and aren't really concerned with empowering others now that they have what they want.
'You can't do things perfectly, so you might as well not do them at all' isn't a good motto. Yeah, some people aren't currently able to get representation, but that's not a good reason not to give representation to people who don't have representation, but can get it.
Especially since that opens up opportunities for people who can't have representation now to get representation later.
Angry gets shit done.I hate that definition of Left and Right. Is painfully simplisitic.
Thought I dislike the concept of Left anf Right in general. So whatever.
Edited by KazuyaProta on Oct 5th 2018 at 6:42:19 AM
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A need to define everyone into easily defined groups seems to be a common trait among all people, unfortunately. The idea that two people that both believe in increased diversity and representation might disagree on a wide variety of issues in those realms just never seems to occur to a lot of people.
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If you get to it, I hope you enjoy it.
Looking back, honestly I think we've made some cringe-worthy mistakes in terms of Diversity and Representation, but we're trying.
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Yeah, being simplistic doesn't make anyone favours and can rub people the wrong way.
I understand what you mean, I myself know people who would be identified as left wing just by their position on economical matters like poverty, education and health care, but could also be seen as right wing (or centre at the least) by their stance on minorities or immigration.
Instead of focusing on relatives that divide us, we should find the absolutes that tie us.Like. Sometimes it makes no sense. Anarchists and Liberals who love Strong Goverments lumped in the same side. Or Weed Libertarians and Uber Fundamentalists in the same side.
Plus. The definition itself is hilariously biased. Left Wing= Critically examining hierarchies, Right Wing= Following them.
It's not really something that makes sense in a 21th century world.
Edited by KazuyaProta on Oct 13th 2018 at 9:50:44 AM
Watch me destroying my countryI see a lot of disagreements and such around the left side of politics all the time. Hell even websites that are known for having an strong presence of feminists and the supposed SJ Ws like Tumblr still have arguments and disagreements among themselves. Hell a lot of feminists have an absolute hatred for TER Fs for example.
I don't see the same amount of divide of the right. Or at the very least I don't see many conservative folks calling out their crazier fringe elements as often as I see liberals do.
Edited by Wispy on Oct 13th 2018 at 9:25:27 AM
Which is something I've observed, we "control" our idiots, for the most part at least, whereas the right embraces them (exhibit A: the current President).
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It depend, the issue with the left is that we get upset when we see other in out "tribe" display what we consider bigoted behivor which at time it means "when they dont move to my standars" which is why tumblr can be toxic: as a general rule, the left does act like some sort of nagging moral guardians, a irony it kinda get loss to them.
But with the right I will said issue is more extreme take the heat and start atacking everyone for not be rightiest enought, that is going to suck for then eventually.
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"My guess is that now, more than before, most of the population is very politically involved, so it's only natural that those views will reflect on media. Ironically, though, a lot of American people are very ignorant of the very things they are supporting.
It has gotten to the point that the main two sides of the political spectrum are now a caricature of what they used to be. The Right now has pseudo-intellectuals such as the "Change my Mind" guy or Shapiro, who come across as prepared and intelligent due to always involving themselves in debates with uneducated left-wing supporters, defending with "facts" the very corrupt and fucked up decisions of their party. The Left, on the other hand, are viewed as loud-mouthed self-righteous idiots who, while well-meaning, are very deluded and narrow-minded on their ideologies.
Just take a look at the Kavanaugh situation. That was a shitshow, and very representative of how politics are now on America.
Since people seem to be wondering why the left and right are divided as they are, I’ll point out it’s a matter of tradition. During the French Revolution politicians in the National Assembly were divided onto the left and right sides of the room, with the left side being supporters of the revolution and the right side being supporters of the crown.
Eventually, the terms left and right just became used as shorthand for their respective ideologies, with the distinction being, supposedly, that the right looked out for the upper classes and the left looked out for the lower classes. As time passed more and more different ideologies were grouped under left and right as people saw fit, and that brings us to today.
It’s a helpful measuring stick, not some absolute authority on political positions.
They should have sent a poet.So. Right Wing always means elitism?
Uh...
Edited by KazuyaProta on Oct 14th 2018 at 2:11:05 PM
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Not necessarily, as you pointed out above. And I’ll reiterate that the right-left scale is more a helpful shorthand than an absolute arbiter of political allegiance.
At this point, though, I’d hardly expect most people to have a balanced viewpoint on the right wing. Which isn’t really surprising, given what’s going on these days.
They should have sent a poet.You're way off-mark with "pro military" when it comes to Brazil, though. The left and the military haven't gotten along since President Deodoro Fonseca in 1889. They have been at odds with each other, with the military persecuting and eenacting coups to curb "leftist influence", with pretty much every other President since Deodoro (starting with his direct successor, Floriano Peixoto).
"All you Fascists bound to lose."I wonder if Brazil had being so obsessed with Weatherization that it decided to copy even the exact social issues.
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My fault here, when I said about left and military im taking about lefty guerrillas, subversive goverment like shinning path for example, chavez is a good example of it since he did install a dictatorship with back of the miliary while prasing another military dictatorship(cuba).
In general, the latin left is very conservative in general.
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
Add General Velasco Alvarado here for Perú, the guy is an ambiguous figure here because of his radical, but often mentioned as necessary, Agrarian reforms that broke the power of the landowning elite.
Edited by raziel365 on Oct 14th 2018 at 4:44:38 AM
Instead of focusing on relatives that divide us, we should find the absolutes that tie us.Let it be said that the right is solely responsible for both of these caricaturizations. They either became more and more extreme with their own views or just finally let their true face show, while painting anyone that dares to care about other people as an "SJW".
Do not spare the feelings of those who would not spare yours.
I for one think it depends on the country honestly, in my country for instance we had our own caricature of the left even before our right started to act in any way similar to its usonian counterpart with the on-going situation of the venezuelan exodus.
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The right for all their posturing about being about logic, facts, and not feelings don't have nowhere close to enough self-awareness to realize they are doing exactly what they rail against if not worst then then radical left.
For example its very common to see an alt-righter these days being demeaning towards anyone left-leaning (or anyone whom just disagrees with them) as being triggered snowflake cucks that just circlejerk in echochambers.......while doing those same exact things themselves simultaneously.
Projection is a hell of a drug.
Edited by Wispy on Oct 14th 2018 at 8:44:06 AM

Which is really a win-win for all.
(Note to self, add the Criminal Elements series to my 'to read list')
Edited by Robrecht on Oct 5th 2018 at 12:19:08 PM
Angry gets shit done.