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Maybe also have a long term cleanup effort as a third?
We already have a clean-up thread for Five Mand Band in the long term projects, which also covers Five Bad Band.
I don't think lock page is a good option- there is misuse throughout the wiki, so locking won't do anything.
In another point against this trope, I think the Elite Four should cover most situations where there is a team dynamic but the powers aren't opposite the heroes like in the Psycho Rangers.
Edited by naturalironist on Aug 21st 2018 at 12:04:30 PM
I'd rather lock it then leave it unlocked since that encourages more misuse. We did the same thing to Five-Man Band and it has helped.
If we decide to keep this trope we should redefine it to have only 5 characters and only female Dark Chicks.
Also should we enforce the rule of only 1 or 2 female characters per team like in Five-Man Band.
Also I actually went through all of the subpages and less than half meet the number requirement with over half of those having male Dark Chicks this is without bringing up the lack of the proper team dynamic which I noticed in a number of examples from works that I know of which to me means that most examples lack that dynamic. Finally Legion of Doom is a good replacement trope.
Edited by papyru30 on Sep 16th 2018 at 3:04:34 AM
Clock is set.
Here's the crowner.
BTW the floor is still open for any discussion or proposed changes to the crowner.
Edited by papyru30 on Sep 28th 2018 at 11:46:11 AM
While I'm 100 percent on board the "it's not a separate trope" train, I do kinda think the crowner options are a bit stark. Particularly given the weird obsession some portion of this site has with shoehorning Five-Man Band, I kinda feel like there ought to be more discussion of alternatives short of cutting. (Again, I voted for cutting, so this isn't an argument against it so much as for a lengthier process).
The crowner options are not showing up for me.
I think there is a villainous team dynamic that crops up enough to be troped but which is not the mirror of Five-Man Band. In that sense, I agree that Five Bad Band shouldn't exist because it is defined so strongly as the Evil Counterpart to Five-Man Band that it's not attempting to trope what really exists in works that have villainous team dynamics.
For example, people talk in terms of the evil team being led by the Big Bad. In my experience, works where the villainous team dynamic might mirror the Five-Man Band dynamic are actually led by The Heavy not the Big Bad. In these cases, the Big Bad has a protagonist counterpart — but in the form of the Big Good rather than The Hero, who is also unlikely to be part of the Five-Man Band.
If Five Bad Band is to be kept, it needs to be rewritten and reimagined to reflect the villainous team dynamics that actually exist in works. At the moment it's just troping a trope instead of troping works.
Edit: misread The Psycho Rangers trope, so forget about this bit.
Edited by Wyldchyld on Sep 29th 2018 at 3:45:03 PM
I personally recommend keeping it. There so many derivates of it (The Brute, The Dark Chick, etc) that erasing the "Mother trope" would be pretty weird. Locking it and having a clean up thread is the best choice IMO.
Well, The Psycho Rangers states that the villainous team mirrors the protagonists' team as both a collective and in terms of specific individuals/powers as well. Works where the protagonists form a Five-Man Band and the villains are The Psycho Rangers will be using tropes like The Dark Chick because the villainous team will need a counterparty to The Chick. Those tropes therefore won't be obsolete.
Then again, I find it bizarre that Five-Man Band tropes can be used as independent tropes when Five-Man Band isn't in play in a work, so what do I know?
Edited by Wyldchyld on Sep 29th 2018 at 3:53:55 PM
Um, all of these tropes can exist without this one.
Just a reminder to the crowd that hooked crowners don't work, so you will need to click the link in post 34 (or here).
I think Five Bad Band is largely covered by the Psycho Rangers and Elite Four.
Does anyone have a list of valid Five Bad Band examples? I want to say cut because I can't think of any examples when I can think of several good Five-Man Band examples.
nrjxll, what options do you suggest then, I think that just changing the definition wouldn't be enough and I can't think of any other options.
I voted to cut.
The trope is trying so hard to be something that doesn't really exist just to have an Evil Counterpart to Five-Man Band (which already has its own problems with how it's used), and any rework would probably just end up as a duplicate or way too similar to The Psycho Rangers and/or Elite Four.
Edited by Karxrida on Sep 29th 2018 at 3:39:50 AM
EDIT: I would like the crowner called now
You mean Five Bad Band right?
Edited by papyru30 on Oct 6th 2018 at 11:41:16 AM
Calling crowner in favour of cutting Five-Man Band.
Just noting: We don't usually outright cut tropes with 1,000 wicks and 18,000 inbounds, but hey, we cut Hey Its That Guy and Hey Its That Voice, which both had (to the best of my memory) about 10,000 wicks and thousands of inbounds. Any valid examples will probably be moved to The Psycho Rangers or a similar trope.
Not all of the examples are Psycho Rangers (most of the ones from works I know are not). I'll delete wicks for the ones I know aren't and make a list of the ones I'm not sure about for people on this thread to look at. I'll also remove wicks from non-work/work subpages so that it's easier to deal with.
Edited by papyru30 on Oct 6th 2018 at 4:26:05 AM
I said "or a similar trope".
It's normal to actually spell out which tropes are appropriate. Doing so will help current and future cleaners. So far, it sounds like The Psycho Rangers and maybe also the Quirky Miniboss Squad? Would the Elite Four be relevant to the clean-up (but not necessarily so)?
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