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Ninety Absolutely no relation to NLK from Land of Quakes and Hills Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
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#1251: Jul 15th 2021 at 8:26:31 AM

He's more trying to go along with the flow and being a generally nice and cheerful guy, but he's got a whole heap of repressed issues that keep mounting up.

Dopants: He meant what he said and he said what he meant, a Ninety is faithful 100%.
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#1252: Jul 15th 2021 at 1:18:20 PM

I mean, by Yuji's own admission he's kind of an idiot. He even yells at Todo to stop kicking him in the face and says:

Yuji: You think you can just pound away at my head like that?! What if you made me even dumber than I already am?!
There's a reason I say Yuji and Nobara have one collective brain cell, and that Megumi is the one with actual brains in the group.
Hell, you could probably argue they don't even have the one brain cell, rather they just borrow one from whoever is around, usually Megumi and sometimes Gojo.

Edited by RebelFalcon on Jul 15th 2021 at 4:20:38 AM

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#1253: Jul 15th 2021 at 7:36:43 PM

So we may got the date for the return of the manga.

https://twitter.com/JujutsuKaisen/status/1415619687447154691

Chapter 153 back on August 2nd in issue 35 of Jump.

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#1254: Jul 15th 2021 at 9:07:36 PM

Well that was quick. Here's to hoping Gege is feeling better though. Their health takes priority.

Rodimus: Self-sacrifice, Magnus— It's cheap. It's a cheap way out. I need to live so I can make amends.
indigoJay from The Astral Plane Since: Dec, 2018 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
#1255: Jul 15th 2021 at 9:54:15 PM

I feel like Itadori's an idiot, but not an Idiot Hero. He has a very clear and concise justification for why he refuses to kill people when he's asked about it.

There is no war in Ba Sing Se.
devak They call me.... Prophet Since: Jul, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#1256: Jul 15th 2021 at 10:42:18 PM

Yea i'm gonna concur with "he may be an idiot but he's not an idiot hero"

fillerdude Since: Jul, 2010
#1257: Jul 16th 2021 at 1:29:10 AM

Going by the trope page and its examples Yuuji qualifies, though more that he’s Book Dumb and simple-minded as opposed to being as lacking in brains as Nobita from Doraemon.

Nikkolas from Texas Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#1258: Jul 16th 2021 at 3:08:32 AM

I mean, even from just the anime, he clearly can interact with people which sets him above somebody like Luffy. He's even normal much of the time.

indigoJay from The Astral Plane Since: Dec, 2018 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
#1259: Jul 16th 2021 at 9:34:50 AM

Hmmmm. Itadori's listed as a downplayed example of the subtrope Stock Shōnen Hero. I think that's pretty accurate.

There is no war in Ba Sing Se.
devak They call me.... Prophet Since: Jul, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#1260: Jul 16th 2021 at 11:08:20 PM

Idiot Hero says:

The Idiot Hero is a common character in action series. Often, they are both The Protagonist and the central character of the narrative. They will frequently use the Indy Ploy, will be too stupid to be afraid of imminent peril, and will often have a short memory span. Despite all of this, they are the most effective member of the cast at fighting. They will also usually be the leader of a tight-knit group of characters, despite the fact they don't have the brains to lead a cat out of a paper bag. This is because they are so stupid as to be incorruptible, and has the ability to maintain a childlike innocence and faith in people that inspires those around them.

So yea, i don't think Itadori qualifies for this. He may not be a genius, but he just seems of fairly average intelligence mostly.

Stock Shonen Hero says:

"Most franchises will start with a big-hearted, energetic Kid Hero. Intellectually, he's nothing to write home about, but this average simple-minded boy is actually a cunning genius when it comes to the Serious Business of choice. He's got a natural gift that blows others out of the water. On the rare occasion he loses, he'll train so hard that he catches up to and outsmarts masters of the craft one after the other."

Which isn't really Itadori in that he's not really that simple minded. Like, examples cited for this are Goku (doesn't understand many basic social conventions), Naruto (can't even do basic techniques), Natsu (book dumb) and Asta. Itadori doesn't really fit any of them.

A stock shonen hero is often so dumb that they don't even know basic things to make the audience feel good, but Itadori's good at sports, from what we know he's fine at school and he understands the nuance of Sorcery when taught. Just compare that to Naruto, who could only do these things through relentless inhuman training.

indigoJay from The Astral Plane Since: Dec, 2018 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
#1261: Jul 17th 2021 at 3:19:41 PM

[up] That's true, but the entry for Downplayed on the playing with page for Stock Shonen Hero describes a character with Idiot Hero tendencies that only come out during moments of stress. Itadori definitely qualifies for that. He comes up with most of his battle plans on the fly, and many of them (like switching out with Sukuna or charging in to save Junpei with the Power of Friendship) aren't particularly smart. I'd argue that his tendency to keep fighting when he's full of holes is also an Idiot Hero / Stock Shōnen Hero trait.

There is no war in Ba Sing Se.
Nikkolas from Texas Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#1262: Jul 18th 2021 at 12:43:59 AM

So I did mention earlier that Gojo was alright and upon talking things over with my GF, I realized I've never really seen a shounen where the absolute strongest person is a prominent protagonist. Yes yes there's All Might but from the outset he had his debilitating time limit and his reign ending was a foregone conclusion. So he's the absolute best but he's got a Superman weakness and is on borrowed time.

I don't know of anything like that with Gojo. The good guys just straight up have the absolute beastiest character in the series. That's kinda neat and different. If you have an OP power player like say Yamamoto from Bleach they're neutral at best as opposed to straight up heroes and they're also kept far away from the action. Gojo is benevolent and while he isn't omnipresent, he's around enough that his presence does diminish any need to fear these S Grade Curses and Geto. Not completely, poor Junpei really shows nobody is 100% safe, but I hope you get my meaning.

I'm intrigued to see where they can go with this alternative approach. Why I gotta tune in NEXT SEASON to see if Geto's plan works. I'm sure it won't which just further complicates the issue of Gojo being OP.

Edited by Nikkolas on Jul 18th 2021 at 12:45:18 PM

devak They call me.... Prophet Since: Jul, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#1263: Jul 18th 2021 at 2:51:40 AM

> I realized I've never really seen a shounen where the absolute strongest person is a prominent protagonist

I take it you mean an ally of the protagonist. Usually, if the strongest person is a good guy, they're the protagonist, but Gojo isn't.

Otherwise, you'd be talking about something like One Punch Man or Mob Psycho, but i doubt that's the comparison you wanted to make

Nikkolas from Texas Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#1264: Jul 18th 2021 at 3:28:42 AM

I thought protagonist just meant anybody who was the hero of the story. Maki would be a protagonist although obviously not the main protagonist. Ron Weasley would be anotehr example.

Or to continue the comparison, Gojo is like if Dumbledore was always around and his power level was way higher than Voldemort's, instead of being roughly comparable.

Edited by Nikkolas on Jul 18th 2021 at 3:29:14 AM

Comun Since: Jun, 2012
#1265: Jul 18th 2021 at 8:15:01 AM

Protagonist means THE main character, not A main character.

But yeah, Gojou being a main character creates a really interesting dynamic where every villain plan has to start with "how do we keep Gojou out of this?".

Edited by Comun on Jul 18th 2021 at 11:17:34 AM

Chaosjunction Since: Feb, 2010
#1266: Jul 18th 2021 at 8:53:53 AM

The only other manga I can think of with a setup where a main character is distinctly one of the strongest around is Sinbad in Magi or the Elder in Kenichi.

Sinbad had his own issues and Kenichi had strictly enforced weight classes for fights, so yeah this is a pretty novel thing in shonen manga

Ninety Absolutely no relation to NLK from Land of Quakes and Hills Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
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#1268: Jul 29th 2021 at 8:17:25 AM

Meliodas and Escanor in Seven Deadly Sins, kinda, though they preserve the sorting algorithm by having most of their power sealed by circumstance and their powerups being more about remembering or regaining their old power rather than strictly getting stronger.

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thuse from see timezone Since: Oct, 2020 Relationship Status: Whoa, they're bisexual! I didn't know that!
#1269: Jul 29th 2021 at 8:53:30 AM

[up][up] ALRIGHT!!
ahem
An interesting development

Edited by thuse on Jul 29th 2021 at 11:54:54 PM

OmegaRadiance Since: Jun, 2011
#1270: Jul 29th 2021 at 12:21:17 PM

You know I thought he was Shinji when Infirst saw the image. Then it took until the ring and Rikka for me to realize that ain’t Shinji.

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thuse from see timezone Since: Oct, 2020 Relationship Status: Whoa, they're bisexual! I didn't know that!
#1271: Aug 1st 2021 at 9:16:49 AM

Chapter 153:
FIGHT CLUB!! Also, we get Kirara and Hakari, third years...

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#1272: Aug 1st 2021 at 9:19:33 AM

Feels like there's been homage to American films. First we had Maki slaughtering Zen'in like she was in Kill Bill, now we get Fight Club

indigoJay from The Astral Plane Since: Dec, 2018 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
#1273: Aug 1st 2021 at 10:01:18 AM

Wait, Hakari is stronger than Okkotsu? Where did that come from?

There is no war in Ba Sing Se.
devak They call me.... Prophet Since: Jul, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#1274: Aug 1st 2021 at 10:02:53 AM

Is it me or is it weird to have a jujutsu fight club with no actual jujutsu. Feels like more's going on here.

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