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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#1051: Mar 4th 2025 at 7:40:49 PM

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As for Liches, Dn D 3rd upon w/c Pathfinder 1E was based on only had a Lich's requirement as having a high enough level and the Craft Wondrous Item feat and nothing else. Pathfinder 1E emphasizes that extremely evil acts are required to create a phylactery. Think how Voldemort creates Horcruxes.

All that gets turned on its head in Pathfinder 2E when the Book of The Dead sourcebook was published w/c introduced sentient skeletons as a playable race as well as provide playable undead options by giving the option to turn the core undead types (ghost, ghoul, lich, mummy, vampire, zombie) into archetypes w/c is 2E's equivalent to prestige classes and none of these have alignment requirements.

All in all, was able to successfully thread the needle and make a True Neutral Lich/Death Knight who still does genuinely good actions, was able to get the best good endings for most of the party members and loves Paying Evil Unto Evil especially against Lawful Evil beings.

Fascinating, I love all this lich lore.

So you can technically play a good guy Lich in a vague sense. [lol]

Edited by RedHunter543 on Mar 4th 2025 at 11:41:29 PM

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
KRider Desire Grand Prix Entry from Origin System Since: Feb, 2021
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#1052: Mar 4th 2025 at 7:44:58 PM

Only theoretically in DnD 3rd ed and Pathfinder 2E. DnD also has nonevil lichlike beings such as baelnorn (elven liches) and the Deathless of Eberron are their take on nonevil undead. And in this game you have to rollplay instead of roleplay.

Edited by KRider on Mar 4th 2025 at 11:46:02 PM

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#1053: Mar 4th 2025 at 7:49:53 PM

[up]D&D also has Archliches, who are specifically good and noble spellcasters who become liches solely for a noble purpose. The process of turning into one is far more difficult than turning into a typical evil Lich. Instead of a phylactery, you have to create a Soul Jar out of a spellbook and brew a potion loaded with various special enchantments. No easy feats. Then you have to risk death during the transformation.

Edited by M84 on Mar 4th 2025 at 11:51:35 PM

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#1054: Mar 4th 2025 at 7:51:12 PM

[up][up] Yeah, be the villain and save the world more efficiently than the so called heroes. cool

But okay, time to clear out more of the market and get those sweet sweet levels.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Ghilz Perpetually Confused from Yeeted at Relativistic Velocities Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Perpetually Confused
#1055: Mar 4th 2025 at 8:23:10 PM

As for Liches, Dn D 3rd upon w/c Pathfinder 1E was based on only had a Lich's requirement as having a high enough level and the Craft Wondrous Item feat and nothing else. Pathfinder 1E emphasizes that extremely evil acts are required to create a phylactery. Think how Voldemort creates Horcruxes.

For added spice, D&D, specifically Forgotten Realms, had a monster type called the "Good Lich", basically someone who became a Lich for some noble purpose (Absorbed a curse, needing to protect someone/something) and was otherwise good aligned. These Liches were in fact, more powerful than the regular kind. These were later renamed with much less lame name of "Archlich"

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#1056: Mar 4th 2025 at 8:28:20 PM

Yeah, I mentioned Archliches here [up][up][up]. It takes a lot more work to become one than it does to become a regular lich.

Edited by M84 on Mar 5th 2025 at 12:29:01 AM

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#1057: Mar 4th 2025 at 8:36:19 PM

[up][up] Good lich is hilariously on the nose.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#1058: Mar 4th 2025 at 8:44:34 PM

Okay, so I've decided to start up new class builds to see how they play.

Herald caller Cleric and a Sorceror.

But Herald Caller Cleric was something I stumbled on, she'll be my Aeon run.

Oh my god, I'm suffering Alt-itis and I haven't even finished the tavern defense yet. This is going to be FUN!

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
LoneCourier0 The Wandering Geek from A Diverse Land (Unitroper) Relationship Status: How YOU doin'?
The Wandering Geek
#1059: Mar 5th 2025 at 12:35:25 AM

So Red, what do you think of Daerun?

"Cynicism is not realistic and tough. It's unrealistic and kind of cowardly because it means you don't have to try."
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#1060: Mar 5th 2025 at 12:41:18 AM

Rich hedonistic jerk who is hilarious and most likely isn't as mean as he projects himself as. The moment he was complimentary and soft around Ember was the moment I realized he couldn't be all that bad.

Interestingly, I think it's an important detail that Camillia looks down on Ember, like I don't think there's any hidden heart of gold with Camillia at all, she's consistently selfish, classist, and barely hides her blood lust but Daerun actually liking Ember helps establish he's got a heart of gold, which contrasts Camillia.

I THINK Camillia cares about her dad and gets subtly offended on his behalf but something about it feels shallow when I see them interact. It makes me curious as to what exactly the game is building up with her.

The clues are all there, but what are they building up to?

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
KRider Desire Grand Prix Entry from Origin System Since: Feb, 2021
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#1061: Mar 5th 2025 at 3:02:50 AM

Decided to reinstall so I can finish the Angel, Aeon, Demon, Gold Dragon and Legend paths. And finish Azata Run number 4.

Edited by KRider on Mar 5th 2025 at 7:06:49 PM

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#1062: Mar 5th 2025 at 3:17:34 AM

Hey, hope you have fun. Did our chats get you in the mood to play?

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#1063: Mar 5th 2025 at 3:31:40 AM

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/screenshot_6319.png

Wait, so I'm hanging out in the tavern, and it just occurred to me how odd it is that the queen or any leader isn't doing anything to ensure Staunton is being treated at least not badly if he's supposed to be atoning for his fuck up, since he mentioned the queen herself voted for him to have a chance to atone.

What the hell is wrong with the crusade's HR department? Irabeth isn't doing shit about this either? This feels like a problem that needs to be addressed somehow.

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/screenshot_6320.png

.....It's demons isn't it? Whatever disease that plagued Daerun's past was caused by something demonic. Sounds like it. Dude seems traumatized and copes by acting like a rich asshole.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#1064: Mar 5th 2025 at 3:32:22 AM

[up][up][up]I am currently on my second to last run. I intend to try a Legend Path run after the Gold Dragon.

Edited by M84 on Mar 5th 2025 at 7:33:23 PM

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KRider Desire Grand Prix Entry from Origin System Since: Feb, 2021
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#1065: Mar 5th 2025 at 3:32:51 AM

[up][up][up]Already maxed out everyone's mastery level in Street Fighter 6's World Tour except for JP, Akuma and Bison (and too lazy to learn from those 3) but Elena's still not yet available and as for Warframe, the next big update's (debut of new Warframe Temple and the debut of the Technocyte Coda nemesis bosses) still on March 19 so need to play something else until March 19.

Also gonna replicate my previous Lich/Death Knight run w/ the same decisions but this time I'm using a Fighter/Eldritch Knight to make full use of merged spells. The Angel run taught me how valuable that feature is.

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/20241117200424_1.jpg

This dialogue is what I was referring to earlier when I recommended you choose No-Hopia.

Edited by KRider on Mar 5th 2025 at 7:37:55 PM

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#1066: Mar 5th 2025 at 3:34:32 AM

JP and Bison are my favorite mentors, but I just KNEW you wouldn't level them up. [lol]

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#1067: Mar 5th 2025 at 3:36:48 AM

[up][up]I was an Exploiter Wizard / Eldritch Knight Lich. Arcanist Exploits are just too good. He could pretty much solo most encounters after I got Vampiric Blade.

Edited by M84 on Mar 5th 2025 at 7:37:45 PM

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#1068: Mar 5th 2025 at 3:39:44 AM

[up][up][up] OH!!!

Okay, that, I didn't choose the joke option. I took Ulbric seriously.

Speaking off, it's now time to attempt to do tavern defense!

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
KRider Desire Grand Prix Entry from Origin System Since: Feb, 2021
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#1069: Mar 5th 2025 at 3:39:45 AM

[up][up][up]Wrong power since it's not Orochi blood. And besides, Heihachi has the most evil villain power of all w/c he shares w/ Hulk Hogan: Creative Control, brother.

Also w/ the Gold Dragon run, Severus the necro merc will be a Reanimator alchemist and I made sure to plan his build ahead of time since either I had the wrong assumption all along on how upgrading alchemist bombs work in the tabletop or Owlcat changed them for balancing purposes.

Edited by KRider on Mar 5th 2025 at 7:41:21 PM

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#1070: Mar 5th 2025 at 3:40:38 AM

Right, from what I know about Tekken, that guy runs the tournaments for some nefarious reason.

I only know the plot from those movies Spoony reviewed way back when he was relevant.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#1071: Mar 5th 2025 at 3:43:32 AM

[up][up]For mercs I always make a brown fur transmuter and a skald. Best buffers bar none.

I do it early too since they get exponentially more expensive at higher levels.

Edited by M84 on Mar 5th 2025 at 7:44:12 PM

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LoneCourier0 The Wandering Geek from A Diverse Land (Unitroper) Relationship Status: How YOU doin'?
The Wandering Geek
#1072: Mar 5th 2025 at 3:51:48 AM

[up][up]@Red Good luck.

"Cynicism is not realistic and tough. It's unrealistic and kind of cowardly because it means you don't have to try."
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#1073: Mar 5th 2025 at 3:58:48 AM

Funny you should wish me luck at this moment because:

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/screenshot_6321.png

FOR FUCKS SAKE!!! I WAS DOING SO WELL AND THE GAME TOSSES THIS AT ME! NOOOOOOOO!!!!!

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#1074: Mar 5th 2025 at 4:05:11 AM

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/screenshot_6324.png

FUCK YEAH!!!!! AT LAST!!!!!!!!!

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/screenshot_6325.png

Hey, I did quite well, didn't even lose a single defense.

Oh I'd like to thank everyone in this thread for their support, including the ones who contributed by accident.

Now I can finally progress the plot. Tyranny triumphant!

Edited by RedHunter543 on Mar 5th 2025 at 8:06:18 PM

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
LoneCourier0 The Wandering Geek from A Diverse Land (Unitroper) Relationship Status: How YOU doin'?
The Wandering Geek
#1075: Mar 5th 2025 at 4:07:19 AM

Congrats Red. I bet the people who helped you are very happy right now.

"Cynicism is not realistic and tough. It's unrealistic and kind of cowardly because it means you don't have to try."

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