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TomWithoutJerry Tyranny Bad, Democracy Good. from Where Might Makes Right and I have no Might. Since: Dec, 2023
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#2101: Oct 19th 2024 at 7:15:09 AM

Once there was a YO esque story in Legends of the Dark Knight or something set when Batman first captures the Joker and he's put in trial for the first time. It goes somewhat overboard with the Villain Suefication on what Joker can do when he's still new to the business, but it was still better than Folie a Deux.

That's all I remember for now.

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#2102: Oct 19th 2024 at 7:15:34 AM

Oh yeah, I remember that one, I have it actually.

It's part of Batman confidential. Basically, it's the tale of Batman arresting Joker, and seeing first hand how the Justice System is un equipped to handle someone like the Joker who can still murder behind bars.

Of course, there's a lot of artistic licenses with law that happen, like the one phone call.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Oct 19th 2024 at 10:16:39 PM

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#2103: Oct 19th 2024 at 7:33:43 AM

I also remember hearing that Christopher Nolan's original plan for a sequel to The Dark Knight would've focused on the Joker being put on trial for his crimes, but he scrapped the idea after Heath Ledger died.

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#2104: Oct 19th 2024 at 7:36:38 AM

And the courtroom drama scenes just waste time by recapping Joker 1 and explaining what exactly happened, and what didn't.

While also not mentioning the Waynes and if Arthur was related to them or not, despite THAT being an important plot point.

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#2105: Oct 19th 2024 at 7:45:48 AM

[up]Its fascinating to see how impactful TDK has been on superhero movies. Between TDK and Iron Man 2008 really was the beginning of the modern superhero era.

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#2106: Oct 19th 2024 at 7:53:45 AM

I think that was part of what made Oppenheimer so fascinating to watch: the man who directed The Dark Knight, having the titular main star of Iron Man on board, showcasing the best of both worlds.

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#2107: Oct 19th 2024 at 7:54:30 AM

Considering how originally, the first movie was going to end with Arthur carving a scar in a smile on his face, as well this movie ending with that happening to another inmate, I can't help but wonder if Philips took the idea of a courtroom drama from Nolan's scrapped plans.

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#2108: Oct 19th 2024 at 7:55:56 AM

That makes sense, Philips does like to pay "homage".

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#2109: Oct 19th 2024 at 8:04:04 AM

How telling was it that Nolan himself shut the "Joker carves a smile out of his face" scene down, regarding the first movie? Nolan didn't want any hypocrisy coming from the first Joker film. They advertised the film as not part of any pre-existing continuity, so they weren't going to be able to suddenly pull a Double Standard and go "but actually the Dark Knight Trilogy TOTALLY started here".

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#2110: Oct 19th 2024 at 8:10:23 AM

[up]Source? I don’t know Nolan obviously but that seems a bit petty for him especially since he wasn’t involved with Joker in any capacity.

TomWithoutJerry Tyranny Bad, Democracy Good. from Where Might Makes Right and I have no Might. Since: Dec, 2023
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#2111: Oct 19th 2024 at 8:12:33 AM

It couldn't be canon for the Dark Knight trilogy since the first Phillips movie went out its way to depict a fully different shooting scene of the Waynes.

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#2112: Oct 19th 2024 at 8:39:56 AM

I hope they paved the way for more comic accurate stuff from Batman. Joker using laughing gas, no edgy stuff, and a real fallout from Harley and Joker unlike this film.

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#2113: Oct 19th 2024 at 8:45:44 AM

That's been in the cartoons for years,the trade off with making a live action based off a cartoony comic book is that you lose the zany in exchange for realism.

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#2114: Oct 19th 2024 at 8:51:48 AM

According to BO reports, the 3rd Friday for this has sank to just $655k, nosediving 97% from $20.3M opening day just 2 weeks ago. 3rd weekend may reach $2.3M (-68%), putting 17-day cume at only $56M+.

I'm astonished at how people are absolutely rejecting this movie.

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#2115: Oct 19th 2024 at 8:55:51 AM

well at least they won't make a third film and thus a trilogy ,right?

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#2116: Oct 19th 2024 at 9:01:08 AM

[up][up] Turns out, people won’t turn in for a movie that actively hates them, who knew?[lol]

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#2117: Oct 19th 2024 at 9:11:41 AM

[up][up][up]Damn. When was the last time a sequel bombed that hard?

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#2118: Oct 19th 2024 at 9:14:27 AM

Meanwhile Deadpool 3 is making more money lol

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#2119: Oct 19th 2024 at 9:14:53 AM

DC once again loses to Marvel.

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#2120: Oct 19th 2024 at 9:33:36 AM

[up][up][up]I don't think ever. At least not in the 21st century.

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#2121: Oct 19th 2024 at 9:35:32 AM

When was the last time something bombed this hard?

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#2122: Oct 19th 2024 at 9:36:02 AM

Flash.[lol]

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#2123: Oct 19th 2024 at 10:13:46 AM

I think The Marvels holds the record for biggest drop between the original film and the sequel, going from $1.1 billion to $206.1 million (or about 81.3% drop).

However, Joker: Folie a Deux might be close to breaking that, since it currently has $167.7 million compared to the first film's $1 billion (or about a 83.3% drop). If it continues to do pretty poorly, it might beat out The Marvels in this regard.

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#2124: Oct 19th 2024 at 10:25:03 AM

Marvels was released during the actor strike.

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TomWithoutJerry Tyranny Bad, Democracy Good. from Where Might Makes Right and I have no Might. Since: Dec, 2023
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#2125: Oct 19th 2024 at 10:27:31 AM

... and? The audiences didn't go because the actors didn't promote it? We aren't THAT much of a bunch of sheep, I would hope.

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