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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#251: Sep 2nd 2019 at 6:35:22 PM

Nah there are a surprising amount of people who buy into the Malthusian Theory.

Sure its complete nonsense as an idea but its not really a dumb motivation since people already believe in it even to this day.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
KJMackley Since: Jan, 2001
#252: Sep 2nd 2019 at 6:46:07 PM

The concept is true, but there are other natural barriers that prevents such a thing from becoming an absolute (due to birth control and other societal changes average family sizes have shrunk, population growth is decreasing rather than increasing). Realize that the population of the Earth has doubled in the last 50 years, and Thanos thinks a one-and-done snap solves this from ever happening again.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#253: Sep 2nd 2019 at 6:48:43 PM

The fact he chose to seclude himself on a remote planet afterwards, apparently for forever shows that he never really gave the whole thing much thought.

He just wanted to prove he could do it & felt validation in successfully doing so.

Edited by slimcoder on Sep 2nd 2019 at 6:48:58 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#254: Sep 2nd 2019 at 6:58:10 PM

I once had an idea float around in my head about what if Endgame had commentary on sympathies toward Thanos by introducing a Cult of Thanos who worships him as a martyr and kills to maintain his Snap. Maybe I'll write it a fic someday.

Joker has apparently has Arthur spark a following of his own so it remains to be seen what the film's commentary is on people who emulate the Joker.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Sep 2nd 2019 at 6:58:22 AM

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#255: Sep 2nd 2019 at 6:58:55 PM

as motivation for space conqueror I feel is reaaaaaally dumb, it remind me of equinox, a villan I saw in brave and the bold.

I will said with superhero there expectation that villan most radiate villaness, to be show to be bad guys and the fact people argue thanos is right even when he could just prevent titan accident with the time stone and the gauntlet prove how being polite and civil can gran you a lot.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#256: Sep 2nd 2019 at 7:01:51 PM

And most space conqueror's motivations can be defined as "conquering just cause".

So that's not saying much.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#257: Sep 2nd 2019 at 7:07:28 PM

Yeah, You have stephenwolf who motivation was "I like battle" and is complex with is mon(unfortunaly he suffer a whisplash), Ronan who is fanatic, Hela who....just like battle again and.....that it.

Space conqueror suffer for being pretty weak motivation wise, I can see strugle to give something to thanos.

But going back, I feel misunderstanding the movie hapen in most villian protagonist movies and this is one, since it examinate people, I mean people copycat Alex from clockwork even when he was a descpicable as it could be(he is pretty much the joker but british), it is what it is.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
JoLuRo075 Since: Jan, 2019
#258: Sep 3rd 2019 at 10:25:25 AM

Reviewing the cast, the protagonist has a friend named Sophia.

Assuming the Joker ends up killing her (or at least trying), it would show us that despite his tragic story, the Joker is still a monster.

It will be harder for people to side with the Joker, if he kills the only person who was kind to him.

Edited by JoLuRo075 on Sep 3rd 2019 at 10:26:21 AM

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#259: Sep 3rd 2019 at 6:25:11 PM

Why is this movie pissing people off again?

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#260: Sep 3rd 2019 at 6:26:18 PM

Similar reasons to why people are mad at Thanos.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#261: Sep 3rd 2019 at 6:29:36 PM

Why is this movie pissing people off again?
Because it's about the "first incel folk hero" and even if it shows how dangerous and evil he is, there will be people who will see him as the Hero and Totally Justified in everything he does and Isn't He Cool?

Here, watch this:

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#262: Sep 3rd 2019 at 6:30:06 PM

And that is? Keep in mind, I make it a point of not engaging with the online community and distancing myself away from it as much as possible.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#263: Sep 3rd 2019 at 6:31:35 PM

The idea that some people in real life will believe the villains philosophy as correct leading others to blame the movie for not going absolutely overboard in making sure the bad guy is a bad guy.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#264: Sep 3rd 2019 at 6:39:09 PM

The idea that some people in real life will believe the villains philosophy as correct leading others to blame the movie for not going absolutely overboard in making sure the bad guy is a bad guy.
It's not that the movie has to shown them unequivocally as "the bad guy," it's that there is a paradox of Do Not Do This Cool Thing — you want to have an evil bad guy who looks cool and has sympathetic motives, but at the same time, you want to convey to the audience that they really shouldn't sympathize with him. The problem, of course, is how to do that. Going full blown "cartoon bad guy" is the easiest way, but there are others, too. Lindsay Ellis points out that humor is a good way to make someone into a figure of ridicule as opposed to "coolness." Compare the Joker trailer to, say, the trailer for Jojo Rabbit:

Edited by alliterator on Sep 3rd 2019 at 6:40:54 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#265: Sep 3rd 2019 at 6:44:42 PM

There is an important difference when making those comparisons though.

One is a comedy where such humor is very appropriate, the other is........ not.

Edited by slimcoder on Sep 3rd 2019 at 6:45:23 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#266: Sep 3rd 2019 at 6:49:16 PM

I'm not saying humor is the only way, only that it's one of the ways. But if you just portray them as looking evil and being sympathetic, you risk a very bad Misaimed Fandom.

Edited by alliterator on Sep 3rd 2019 at 6:50:26 AM

chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
I'm Sad Frogerson.
#267: Sep 3rd 2019 at 6:51:22 PM

The movie about the Joker isn't a comedy.

The Joker movie isn't about jokes.

The Joker.

...

That really says it all, doesn't it?

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#268: Sep 3rd 2019 at 6:52:55 PM

That depends on what definition of comedy you are using.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#269: Sep 3rd 2019 at 6:53:49 PM

The comics Joker hasn't been funny in years, and it appears this one won't be much fun either.

Edited by Blueace on Sep 3rd 2019 at 10:55:00 AM

Wake me up at your own risk.
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#270: Sep 3rd 2019 at 6:55:36 PM

That's not why he's not funny.

He's no longer funny because his sense of humor has degraded in simple serial killing. Its the equivalent of pun-based humor, its just lazy.

A better comedian would be more creative. This one appears to be putting more thought into his work.

Edited by slimcoder on Sep 3rd 2019 at 6:56:28 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#271: Sep 3rd 2019 at 7:10:33 PM

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I mean. The Batman movie wasn't about literal bats and their ecosystems.

Justice League Batman told jokes. As opposed to virtually every other interpretation of the character.

Edited by Soble on Sep 3rd 2019 at 7:11:12 AM

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Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
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#272: Sep 3rd 2019 at 7:15:46 PM

If you want an example of how a great villain movie is due to comedy, look no further than The Wolf of Wall Street. The protagonist is a piece of shit stock broker that ruined hundreds of lives, but the movie is so freaking goofy in a good way that you want to see what shenanigans he gets up to without wanting to see him succeed.

The legend has returned.
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#273: Sep 3rd 2019 at 7:57:02 PM

As opposed to virtually every other interpretation of the character.

I can't think of an iteration of Batman that hasn't told at least a joke. Even in the ultra-serious Nolan films, he has some funny moments. "Accomplice? I'm gonna tell them the whole thing was your idea."

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#274: Sep 3rd 2019 at 8:19:18 PM

The only version of Batman I can think of that didn't really tell jokes was The New Batman Adventures, which made Batsy grim to the point of being two dimensional. But both Batman The Animated Series (which TNBA was the revamped additional seasons of) and Batman Beyond (which takes primarily off of TNBA) - and of course Justice League, further down the DCAU - feature a Bruce that wasn't afraid to be humorous.

Hell, the only time I can remember TNBA Batman even laughing was that one time he laughed at Harley.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Sep 3rd 2019 at 8:22:11 AM

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#275: Sep 3rd 2019 at 11:57:47 PM

[up]Well that was some nightmare fuel.


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