x2 Yeah pretty much, and for the same reason of unsubtle feminist undertones.
Yeah some anvils needed to be drop and all, but with such awkward dialogue like “It will be once it fits a woman” and “I’m not going to let a man takes a woman’s work” I really don’t want to get hit in the head.
So yeah the problem here was the trailers editing choosing the worst lines to sell a product. I mean Batwoman is already cool for being a military trained combat practitioner who was taught said skills by her dad as means to avert becoming a victim again after an incident, if they sold more of that story in the trailer rather then the fact she’s a female lesbian hero (which, c’mon, White Canary exist) then the internet wouldn’t went apeshit over it. Not saying that they won’t bitch about it anyway, just not to the levels where they feel justified.
Other than that, I honestly still feel neutral about the show.
It's not new to the CW-verse, but it's still relatively new to TV shows to have a LGBT main character where the show isn't centered around them being LGBT (see: Will and Grace, The L Word, etc). Yes, there's been plenty of LGBT side characters, but rarely main ones. And when there is, watch how the creators never show it (see: Constantine, where the creators decided that John wasn't going to have any bisexual relationships, something that, thankfully, Legends of Tomorrow changed).
So yeah the problem here was the trailers editing choosing the worst lines to sell a product.
Honestly, I like the idea of the character from the perspective of a non-comic reader, but that trailer was direly heavy handed. The attachment to the kidnap victim was fine, that’s a show, don’t tell approach, but there was so so much telling in the rest of it.
After watching that trailer I felt patronised.
I'm expecting, at worst, a Supergirl (2015) situation. The first episode might be a bit heavy-handed, but they'll settle down for the rest of the series. But I don't think it will be even that bad. Like I said, Supergirl moved past it quickly, and they share writers, right?
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And it got booted from CBS. Remember?
I stopped watching the show admittedly midway through Season 2. But they were not subtle about the minority thing (which is funny because Kara’s sister coming out of the closet was surprisingly nuanced in contrast).
Edited by Beatman1 on May 22nd 2019 at 11:35:03 AM
Seriously though. The thing is, if you really want to make a progressive narrative that doesn't make people cringe, present it as Just A Thing That Happens. For example, the hero goes to save the damsel in distress, it's just that the hero is a woman. A shocked mook asks "Who are you?", and the answer is a distinctly female "Not Batman." followed by a punch. And so on, and so forth. Smart people will get it.
And the stupid people? They'll have to catch up. The show isn't on Fox, after all.
"what the complete, unabridged, 4k ultra HD fuck with bonus features" - Mark Von LewisSigh, that trailer went from normal to cringe so fast...
I legit wouldn't have minded it, probably even given the show a chance, if it didn't feel the need to put down Batman and everything there to elevate themselves. That's really my issue with these types of things. It feels like they aren't interested in coexisting so much as aggressively getting in your face about it to prove some point I was fine with in the first place.
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How is it putting down Batman? The show itself certainly isn't, from what's been shown.
"The suit is literal perfection."
"It will be... when it fits a woman."
So Batman's stuff wasn't good enough because it wasn't built for a woman? That really isn't showing respect to the character that started this. And the whole vibe of "I can do this better because I'm a woman." It's the superiority attitude that doesn't jibe with me, especially when I've seen enough things take this attitude as well and celebrate it as opposed to challenging why it would turn people away.
"I'm not about to let a man take credit for a woman's work."
This implies that Batman is doing that, which... well, yeah, is far from the case. She literally took his stuff, after all.
Pretty much it just comes off as needlessly antagonistic/superior to what Bruce started. And it comes off as doing it because he's male, given how much attention is drawn to the gender. That's my problem with how it's presented. Otherwise, I would've been neutral to curious as I think they can do some interesting things with the character and I'm all for focusing on others outside of Bruce Wayne.
Improving as an author, one video at a time.Edited by alliterator on May 26th 2019 at 8:29:22 AM
There is certainly some arrogance in that dialogue about the suit, in that she's not simply talking about replacing Batman, but being better than Batman, saying the suit won't be truly perfect until it fits her. When you're a Legacy Character for a very beloved hero, that attitude is naturally gonna rub fans the wrong way.
As for the stuff about credit, we'll need to see how that plays out in the actual episode. Kate wanting people to recognize her as a separate individual from Batman, and not give him credit for all the stuff she does? Fair enough. However, trying to connect it to the history of men taking credit for women's accomplishments? That doesn't work if the situation is as the trailer suggests, that people attribute her accomplishments to Batman because she's dressed up as Batman, so everyone draws the very reasonable conclusion that they're the same person.
Again, I'm not seeing where she says that she's better than Batman. I see where she says that the suit would be perfect when it fits her — because, again, she wants to wear the suit and go out and fight crime. Not because she believes she's better than Batman.
Although, hey, she might. The Batman in this universe did abandon Gotham City. That's a pretty shitty thing to do.
I guess it depends on how you look at it.
Is she saying that the suit is imperfect now because it's designed to fit someone who's no longer around to wear it? Or is she saying that it was always imperfect because it was designed to fit Bruce, and that only a suit designed to fit her could ever be perfection?

Edited by DeanCole on May 19th 2019 at 10:20:35 AM